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Nice, trying to be a sneaky tattleteller..

But to stay on topic. Apple News is not a good product.. Apple fitness would make the Apple one plan a better option because Apple News is just not moving units..
Well i agree with you on that- Apple news really isn’t a great product overall. App needs an overhaul and it’s just been neglected since release.
 
You’re making my point. The motivation should be looking good for yourself and not dying early.

You're wrong and everyone on here is pointing that out .

Trainers (whether online or not) provide a benchmark, push your comfort zone and provide positive mental health well-being.

Don't pretend you're some sort of solo hero.
 
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I am genuinely surprised how much outside motivation people need to take care of their own bodies.

I‘m not surprised this take is unpopular. I do hope Fitness+ is successful, but it’s just another workout program and diet kick people gone on and ultimately quit Or don’t use.

in general, I do agree it is a little sad that more people don’t take care of their health because of a combination of things, am not sure why the fitness+ launch is giving that insight to you.

there’s a sizeable home workout market, and no reason apple shouldn’t target it. Yeah sure, it might be that people subscribe and don’t use. That’s true of gyms too. Several people do succeed at it. It’s worked very well for me and my wife. And I perhaps wouldn’t mind some different “programs” even if it is the same old dumbbell curl and push ups that I am still doing.
 
Apple News is not a good product.. Apple fitness would make the Apple one plan a better option because Apple News is just not moving units..
I agree with you. For me actually, I might be one of the rare ones who might take only the fitness+ subscription because I don’t need rest of the things in the plan.
 
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Just my $0.02, but I think Apple should be using Phil Schiller as its Guinea Pig !

If it works for him, Apple could make Many Billions Off It !

My intent is NOT to slight Schiller, simply to point out that Apple has someone In-House that could be used as a Prime Example, if it works for him, that is.

Hey Cook, forget the third-party Celebs, & such, convince Schiller to give it a serious try !
Interesting. What do you know about Schiller’s health?
 
What if this is our "warm" Christmas Surprise that Ihadadreamofapplewhatever was talking about.
 
I am genuinely surprised how much outside motivation people need to take care of their own bodies.

I‘m not surprised this take is unpopular. I do hope Fitness+ is successful, but it’s just another workout program and diet kick people gone on and ultimately quit Or don’t use.
Eh. Why not give people motivation to get healthy? No reason for Apple not to since they have a great fitness motivation device with the Watch rings.

But, I do acknowledge that you are just surprised that people need motivation to be healthy, and not ragging on Fitness+ :)

I'm all for anything to encourage people to be more healthy! It's good to be healthy.
 
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What exactly do you expect an update to bring asides some space in your wallet?
The current HD/4k models do exactly what they need to do flawlessly hardware wise.
(the actually apple tv app is a bit to chaotic for my last)
If you buy a 8k TV it likely offers the Apple TV App via it's AppStore so there is very little need for the Box unless you need that keyboard popping up on your iOS devices. Theres probably about three people that would dish out another 200$ to add an apple tv box to their uber 8k tv while there are plenty of movies/tv shows on the Store that don't even go beyond HD.

Everything that needs more power would be making it more of a gaming console. That might happen. That might increase the price. That might even be of the Table considering that people say arcade is not doing to great.
I think Prosser said gaming would be a thing in Apple Tv. But essentially that would be an entire different product (think price category).
I disagree. Many of us have the 'older' HD version and are reluctant to purchase the 4K only to have Apple (maybe) come out with something based on its new chips....which I see them as doing with gaming in mind. Also, the HD version s don't allow for the best use of HomePods via Dolby Atmos etc. Finally, I recently (about a month ago) purchased a top of the line Samsung 'smart' 4kHD and the ATV and other apps are horrible going through it (just wanted to test) and never mind the privacy issues of going through Samsung or other TVs.
 
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I am genuinely surprised how much outside motivation people need to take care of their own bodies.

I‘m not surprised this take is unpopular. I do hope Fitness+ is successful, but it’s just another workout program and diet kick people gone on and ultimately quit Or don’t use.
Or you can look at it through the lens of “it’s great that people found something that works for them and hope it leads to healthier habits”
 
Nice, trying to be a sneaky tattleteller..

But to stay on topic. Apple News is not a good product.. Apple fitness would make the Apple one plan a better option because Apple News is just not moving units..
I think the only value with Apple News is being able to access paid access news sources (like WSJ for example) for the $9.99 a month (and all the other sources as well). It's a decent proposal if your news source of choice offers articles.
 
Or you can look at it through the lens of “it’s great that people found something that works for them and hope it leads to healthier habits”
This isn’t a new idea and America is in worse health than ever. People just don’t like hearing this doesn’t solve the problem.
 
Eh. Why not give people motivation to get healthy? No reason for Apple not to since they have a great fitness motivation device with the Watch rings.

But, I do acknowledge that you are just surprised that people need motivation to be healthy, and not ragging on Fitness+ :)

I'm all for anything to encourage people to be more healthy! It's good to be healthy.
Motivate, motivate, motivate...but people love their sugar and carbs. My point wasn’t that the motivation is bad...it’s that it doesn’t and hasn’t worked, no matter how it’s been packaged for decades.
 
You're wrong and everyone on here is pointing that out.

Trainers (whether online or not) provide a benchmark, push your comfort zone and provide positive mental health well-being.

Don't pretend you're some sort of solo hero.
Haha, you think ganging up on me changes my opinion or makes me wrong? I couldn’t care less. The fact people disagree with me only makes my point stronger and confirms I’m spot on. People are salty. Diets and workout “programs” don’t work long term, in general.

Apple is correctly launching this around the holidays and will take advantage of a market that people continually pour money into without long term results.

I‘m all for the effort, but there is nothing about this program that is any different than others that don’t get people results. It’s simply because people don’t stick with them because they refuse to make the necessary lifestyle changes.
 
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I wonder which of these services will survive after things go back to normal. Peloton should be a little worried about Apple eating into their product.

honestly the home fitness market has matured heavily since the 1980’s:
Soloflex - started this trend properly way back and Bowflex (from Schwinn backing) own the home fitness market still today.

Peleton has a complete specific solution and they’ll do well. Not a threat really but potentially partners in the home fitness market for families vs bachelor/bachelorette. Most ppl don’t work out more than 1.5/2hrs/day.


I currently have a Peloton and pay $36/month for a service I admittedly barely use. It appears as though Fitness+ has spin lessons - this would save me a ton of money.

if you’re not using your peleton it’s likely you’ll not use apple fitness much beyond the trial. The issue isn’t the service or fees! It’s in your motivation vs laziness - which the latter is king! Sorry to be blunt but with a 40 fitness lifestyle of ups/downs I’m speaking from experience and I recognize laziness when I see it (even in myself).

the key is first finding motivation based on your wants and consequences you’re afraid of dealing with!!! Only then will you MAKE THE TIME in your day to COMITT to working out!!

to coin a great “it’s still m*******ing set!”

let’s get it!

I had a dream that it launches next week and Apple also release Fitness+ dumbbells that track your intensity.

Why I didn't dream they released a treadmill or bike I don't know.

dumbells with tracking, bowflex SelectTech has this but not within the dumbbell itself or paired into a watch for iOS fitness tracking. I want apple to partner or develop a better MyFitnessPal app for nutrition & water ingestion !

because more than anything else ... “you are what you eat”!
 
Doesn’t mean I’m wrong. I’m good with whatever motivates people to be healthy, but diets and exercise programs are proven not to work. You need lifestyle changes that must come from a complete change in philosophy. Fitness+ MIGHT do it for some, but people generally don’t get serious until they have a brush with death, serious illness, or other outside wake up call.

This is largely another failed diet for most people. The issue is largely too much food and sugar consumption.
Agreed!

you can a very small example of this with just looking at apples executive staffs health on a physical appearance. I will agree that Cook is most likely THE most fit ceo today yet in the past 6yrs you can see his fitness falters here and there on a slight scale just looking at presentations.

consumption and ease of access to food to consume (along with heavy salt or sugar in processed foods that’s on so many deliver app) has lead to many ppl being obese or out of shape. A COVID-19 lock down hasn’t helped peoples focus on personal fitn and health either.
 
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Motivate, motivate, motivate...but people love their sugar and carbs. My point wasn’t that the motivation is bad...it’s that it doesn’t and hasn’t worked, no matter how it’s been packaged for decades.
Really don’t get your point. Over consumption of sugars and carbs is bad, but overconsumption of sugar and carbs is better with consistent exercise than without. And I say this as someone who is a lifelong (largely solo) runner with zero interest in fitness+ or any instructor-run exercise program.
 
I currently have a Peloton and pay $36/month for a service I admittedly barely use. It appears as though Fitness+ has spin lessons - this would save me a ton of money.
I love my Peloton bike and ride almost every day. It’s been a great way for me to get back into exercising with less chance of injury. It isn’t cheap, but certainly can be a better deal for a couple or family who use it instead of paying for a gym membership. Apple’s Fitness+ only works as a less expensive option for those that either don’t need equipment to exercise or already have equipment they can use.
 
Doesn’t mean I’m wrong. I’m good with whatever motivates people to be healthy, but diets and exercise programs are proven not to work. You need lifestyle changes that must come from a complete change in philosophy.
It's an adjunct to the Apple Watch that has made so much difference to so many people. I’ve completed every challenge and more than closed all my rings for the past 8 months. A friend is up to 500+ consecutive days. So not only has he not been sick, he's lost 15 kg and so much more active. Sure, it's a change in lifestyle, but it was driven by Apple and their fitness process. Fitness+ can only help people.

it might lighten the load on their wallet through services, but that is paid for by eating less rubbish.
 
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