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I really don't get, the just buy a dongle, defense. Sure I can buy dongles. The fact is I don't have one device that uses USB-C and I am a heavy computer user both on PC for gaming and Mac. Its like the Mac Pro they provided, its a joke. Its an insult it really is. They are obsessed with fashion, thinness, weight, all above functionality. This is why people died when the Mac Pro was released and Apple said "just buy bays, just buy peripherals and expandability!". Now its "just buy the ability to connect anything to your macbook pro". Not to mention ram limits, $500 price hike etc etc. I am mad, and i think many are because they realize these comps are a Jony jerkoff festival and not designed for customers. How hard to add 1-2 USB 3.1 ports so everyone can connect everything they have now without a dongle? I mean ffs. And magsafe was awesome. RIP. I was one waiting for a new laptop, I had sold mine a few weeks before the announcement and had back ups waiting to install in my new one. I am done with Apple for now.
 
This just proves that Apple knows their customer base. A very small percentage are "Pro" users or people on these forums who are the ones squealing about no 32GB of RAM etc... They obviously want to focus their attention on the vast majority of their customers base. Makes sense to me.
 
As usual Apple is more interested in boxing in its users in rather than sacrificing some of their bottom line. The Touch Bar looks cool, but am I the only one that feels they should have done a full touch screen instead? Oh, that's right, that might have cut into iPad revenue/profits.

Again, Apple, the Stone Age didn't end because they ran out of stone. Real talk.
 
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"lacks an SD card reader because it's a "cumbersome" slot" - Ya right!!!.
Only reason I can think of is they got rid of it because people were using cheap SD cards to increase their storage. There are so many cards specifically designed for MacBooks that sit flush in the slot and way cheaper than upgrading your internal storage.
 
I'm not even a pro photographer but I also need to transfer photos from my SD card to a computer on occasion. Fortunately we still can on our older and still functional Macs.

I suspect Apple considers this a niche use and that people who really need the feature will buy external readers. I guess it's not the worst thing in the world since I've had readers go wonky before on my PCs. It is one less part to service.

Another interesting point - 3D printers are becoming more affordable. We have a couple at work and the popular way to load a print file is via an SD card, since the printer is shared among multiple developers. Yes, this is a niche use, but as the price drops, more people will have them at home and work.
 
In 2006 I would have been fine with 8 GB. 16 is the minimum for me now

Can you explain why more MB memory is important?

With the advent of really fast SSDs the aboslute need for additional MB memory is not as strong as it was in the past. Our modern operating systems use the drive memory as need arises, so in the past when the drive was a mechanical device this would slow programs as the OS swapped memory. Today, not so much.

I have lived with 4, 8 and 16 gigs. When I run Windows, especially video rendering, I find more MB memory helps the speed a lot. Yet in OSX, with SSD, I haven't found the same need.

Currently my MB has 8 gig and i7 Quad (2012) Mini 16, both render Final Cut Pro quite well. The i7 does do it faster.

What I would like to see is some specs from Activity Monitor to back up the need for greater than 16gig in OSX these days.

On 12" rMB right now out of 8 gig I'm using a total of 4.8 gig, with 5 programs running. It breaks down this way, Apps using 2.8, wired (interrnet space) 1.92. Opened Final Cut Pro with no project and the memory use jumped all the way to 5.24 gig.

Wow just added Handbrake and did a simple conversion, a very small jump in memory use.

Simply put it looks like for most "Pro" users 16gig, with the current OS, will never be exceeded in normal use.

But I'm always on board for more memory, especially if it's priced right.
 
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Fair point - and it's clearly illustrates that Apple's focusing on non-creative audiences that have no need for high performance machines. If all you do is take notes, write documents and emails, the machine may be fine (assuming you can tolerate the keyboard).

Graphics designers, 3d modelers, CAD users, photographers, audio/video editors, technical sellers all are very different classes of users.

The net is that these are the 13 and 15 macbooks. The Macbook pro hasn't been a decent high-powered machine relative to the market since 2013.
This is similar to the argument for MBPs with less battery life and more RAM/power/whatever.

Isn't there already a machine for these Pros? The Mac Pro? It's not a laptop, but you get all the "pro" power that you need.

Now, I'll agree that it sucks that that lineup hasn't been updated in a long time, but expecting Apple to increase the size of their portable devices to deal with users that really only use them at their desks is a bit silly.
 
How can you interview him and not ask him about 1) the pricing 2) the need for a dongle to connect your iphone 3) desktops?

Because you would never get another interview with him or Apple again if you dared. It's a double edged sword: you score an interview, then you have to weigh out the pros and cons of scoring another interview.

Also, it's likely they agreed to this interview after reading the questions. It's clear they wanted to dispel the bad magic in the air with this interview.
 
If all you do is take notes, write documents and emails, the machine may be fine (assuming you can tolerate the keyboard).

Graphics designers, 3d modelers, CAD users, photographers, audio/video editors, technical sellers all are very different classes of users.

The Macbook pro hasn't been a decent high-powered machine relative to the market since 2013.
What machines are the "market" using?
Simply curious to see what are the higher performance options out there.
 
Everybody's an expert. Oh, Apple, don't use this technology! Use some other technology or I'm buying a Dell! It's true that much of Apple's focus is excellence in design as well as excellence in functionality. That's exactly why their machines are reverse engineered, copied and then marketed as "iPhone-killers" or being "as thin as a MacBook".
 
It's all of you on here who keep stating that this is "probably it for me...It's time to move on," and "I think I'm buying something else." There were a lot of people on here making those kind of statements after the new Pros and their pricing were announced. But I bet they still went out and buy these new Pros. When people keep paying whatever Apple wants, the Pros will keep getting thinner, with a smaller battery capacity, and will not use the latest computer chips or components all in the name of an increase profit margin.
 
Well, why is it an sd card reader? most "pro" cameras actually use CF cards. Some use SD. If you shoot video/go pro/ drone, its micro SD. Personally, I shoot all 3.

In reality these devices need to have a USB-C/TB port that you just connect directly to your laptop. Then the memory format is not a factor.

MicroSD still uses an SD card to plug into things, doesn't it?

And most people don't use "pro" cameras. SD is still the primary-use storage media for cameras. Even Nikon has moved their D810 which is considered 'pro' level to the SD platform.

The last thing I'm interested is another 'cord' to carry around.
 
The people that ordered this online were probably business that have been waiting forever to upgrade, and people that don't care about $500. Love it or hate it, we'll soon find out if the MacBook Pro turns out to be an Apple Watch flop.
 
And so many people didn't understand why I was surprised when the new iPhone didn't have a lightening to USB c cord. Why come out with one product using the old port and then another product with the new one?

I was surprised as well.

But the MacBook has the same problem, right? My guess is that eventually Lightning will vanish (see what I did there?) replaced by USB-C.

And that, eventually, would be a good thing so I can purchase all my cables from Monoprice.
 
I looked at developing iOS apps on a Windows PC (looking at Razer notebooks) but sadly the workaround doesn't make it worthwhile

get a cheap mac mini and VNC to it. that's what i do when i boot Elementary OS Linux. windows runs well in a VM, but OSX isn't doing well inside a vm.
 
Apple does it their own way. It's not a ecosystem for everybody and that's fine. Competition is essential in the declining PC industry. I've heard the criticisms before ... for years. Oh, an Android phone came up with that first! Windows had that feature in 2006! Those are irrelevant statements because Apple has a history of sizing up the available technology and making it their own design.


Apple unfortunately also has a history of being on a rollercoaster of brilliance and sharp decline...
 
Best of luck to you! (I'm not being sarcastic, just politely saying "Good bye!")

Oh but I'm not going anywhere yet. I will sell the desktop first, the buy the Dell, then run it alongside the MBP for a transitionary period. And I have an iphone and an ipad (which I will also sell but because I don't use it enough). Maybe you dont' realise people like me are bought into the Apple ecosystem for ten years or more. Its not so easy to jump ship, even if apple leave us little choice.
 
I was surprised as well.

But the MacBook has the same problem, right? My guess is that eventually Lightning will vanish (see what I did there?) replaced by USB-C.

And that, eventually, would be a good thing so I can purchase all my cables from Monoprice.
I don't think that lightning will vanish, I'm just surprised that the USB part hasn't changed as quickly as I thought it would. Probably everything going forward, iPads, iPhones, will have USB C cords with USB C bricks to charge with.
 
Don't sell Apple's presentations and commercials short either. They talk about their products in such glowing terms (gorgeous, beautiful, works perfectly), then throw Jony Ive's narration in there, and people are mesmerized. For instance, I had no intention of buying an iPhone 7. But I watched that presentation, and it stayed with me. Half a month later, I'm an iSheep, and I'm ordering an iPhone7 Plus for almost $900. My 6 was perfectly fine, not a scratch on it, but damn them, I couldn't not order it. Even knowing full well that next year, I'll probably order this "super phone" everyone is speculating over.

The concern I have after watching the Mac presentation is being priced out of the market when I'm ready for a new iMac. I have a 2012, which is fine, but you know, age.... But given what I do with it, I don't need all the super stuff they put on their Pro, which seems to be what they want to sell. I've actually hedged my bets, and store my docs in both iCloud Drive and Google Drive, just in case I'm priced out of the Apple universe... I hope it doesn't come to that, but the fact that they didn't present a new iMac, and the emphasis on the iPad Pro ( I have an iPad Air 2) concerns me.
 
We have an 4 or 5 year old MacBook Air I wanted to replace with a 13" Pro. I had my hand hovering over the buy button during the launch. Now I'm browsing the refurbished selection of 2015s.

I won't say they lost a sale, but certainly I found the new releases utterly uninspiring to the point where I'd rather save a huge wad of cash and buy an essentially 2 year old machine.

What do you find uninspiring?

The super fast SSD that's significantly faster than previous years?

Or maybe the super-size trackpad that's clickable over the whole surface?

No, maybe it's the high-performance color-accurate DCI-P3 wide gamut display, likely to be the best in laptops?

Or maybe it's the best in class I/O capable of astonishing data rates ready for the future, with four TB 3/USB 3.1 ports, each being able to handle multiple streams and drive multiple external displays (where a single cable can supply data, display programming and charge for the laptop? That can use tiny inline $4 adapters to interface to your USB peripherals, if needed?

The compact lightweight design with 10 hour battery?

Which of the above are not inspiring?
 
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