Apple Has Received More Online Orders for New MacBook Pro Than Any Previous Generation

[Investor27]

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[apusateri]

They are trying to talk themselves into believing that it's all right to have already spent $3,500 of 16GB laptop with last year's Skylake chip, a non-touch screen, no other ports besides the one, and the dreaded butterfly keyboard.

Yup, you guys are right, it's everyone else that's crazy. /s

 

[jmgregory1]

Agreed on all counts. My company is on a 4 year laptop upgrade cycle. Last time around (Nov 2012), I got a 16GB rMBP. Looking at activity monitor, I'm currently using ~14.5 GB (multiple Linux VMs - I develop and support software for HPC systems). There is no way a 16GB machine will work for me as an upgrade. I can probably limp along for a year, but if I can't get at least 32GB from Apple by then I'll have to look elsewhere.

The MagSafe has saved my laptop more times than I can count.

The brighter screen would be nice. The faster SSD would be nice. More RAM, however, is a necessity (and using vi is going to be a PITA without a physical ESC key).

If this underpowered "upgrade" works for you, by all means buy one and enjoy it. It doesn't work for me.

Others have noted this already - the 16gb limitation on ram is not an Apple issue, but rather an Intel issue. If you want to have the latest CPU, you're stuck at 16bg. And I'm guessing that you would not be happy if they put in an older, less efficient CPU, just to get the ability to run 32gb's of ram. It's all about compromises and Apple focuses on providing the best UX they can, while also taking into account battery life, heat, weight, etc.

And going beyond that, your current rMBP using 14.5gb's of ram is doing what it should be, utilizing existing hardware. If you're seeing issues and unable to work, then it's possible that ram is at fault, but it could be CPU/GPU related as well.

 

[LimerickRunner]

They are trying to talk themselves into believing that it's all right to have already spent $3,500 of 16GB laptop with last year's Skylake chip, a non-touch screen, no other ports besides the one, and the dreaded butterfly keyboard.

So why come on this forum, I think people are coming here to bitch, I bet a load of the whiners here will end up buying one, why else are you here, to talk about microsoft? Who no matter how beautiful they make their hardware their software is lousy and they have dropped Microsoft band after 2 generations, I might be in the minority of a "pro' user who loves apple products including Apple Watch, iPad Pro and Macs and have no issues with where Apple are taking their products, people whining about 30 dollars leads, adapters etc shouldn't be buying macs.

 

[fortuneteller33]

What I'm trying to understand is Apple keeps saying that reaching out to touch a laptop display, "doesn't feel natural", the "basic 'L' shape isn't going away", "mouse input is a better experience" blah blah. But yet they're advertising the iPad Pro with keyboard as a laptop replacement with touch as your only way to navigate the OS? Seems like a contradiction.

 

[citysnaps]

100years ???
You don't have much faith in the future, you you?
I would hope that in 100 years this form of power transmission will be obsolete.

Great. Which outlet do you want to switch to?

 

[pier]

Yeah dell need to cos their products are rubbish, I've never had issues with Apple hardware as for Dell, we won't go there! A great saying in life is "Buy cheap, buy twice"

You were lucky then. Most people I know (myself included) have had all sorts of problems with macbooks. From screen ghosting issues, dying airport cards, or dead GPUs.

I've bought about 6 macbooks for me and my family in the past decade and 3 of those died in less than 2 years of use. One of those was the infamous 2011 Macbook pro which Apple was forced to repair 2 years after those issues started. Mine was collecting dust for over a year until it was repaired. That is not how you treat your pro users.

 

[nutjob]

That's becuase the last hardware update predates online shopping.

 

[jmgregory1]

I think the return rate will be fueled by the keyboard more than anything.

It's quite a... shock if you've been on a previous Pro, if it's anything like the Macbook butterfly. Which it apparently is, according to the first reviews.

Really? That's not what I've read. I've read it's better than the MB keyboard, albeit different than the previous rMBP keyboard. People who have not used or tested the new keyboard, should not just assume negatively that it is going to be bad, because because.

 

[arnette]

Head of Marketing skews statistics to make Apple products seem desirable.. shocker!

 

[544263]

I too own my own company, although I have two partners, and we've spent millions of dollars on equipment and developing intellectual property doing something that no one else in the world can do, if this is about patting ourselves on the back...

i am sure you are the best in whatever you are doing.

a. I never suggested you couldn't afford a new rMBP.

you were suggesting i'd have never tested any newer rMBP. - as said, i like the 2013-2015 13" model s and currently i consider them to be the best retina macbooks, i wish they had 2TB ssd and quadcore i7 options.

b. I used the faster, better words, not as direct adjectives to specific parts of the new rMBP's, but as in general improvements in tech make them faster / better / thinner / lighter / longer lasting, etc.

i beg to disagree, you were specifically refering to the keyboard - again, your words: "In the case of the keyboard, they weren't going for faster, but longer lasting. "

c. I've replaced the keyboard on my early 2013 15" rMBP once already and just ordered a new letter A, because I've worn the paint off of it and the spring mechanism is sloppy now - I should try to figure out why I'm typing so many letter A's to have worn it like this, when no other key shows damage like this). You didn't answer my question about using the new rMBP keyboard. I've read the reviews of the MB keyboard, but I've also read the initial reviews of the new rMBP keyboard, saying it was an improvement, so before saying it is worse, when you haven't tried it, is clearly not an informed opinion.

i haven't answered because didn't want to. i do know the 12" macbook keyboard and i don't like it. okay, it might sound uninformed not having tested the actual 2016 keyboard, my experience comes from the 12" macbook keyboard though, and i think it sucks. Also checked out Lisa Gade's review. Let's stick to this type of argumentation for a moment, kindly explain me something: after having tested the new rMBP 2016 keyboard for a few hours, days (?) - i assume you did after your claims about it being longer lasting - how does this qualify you claiming the new one is more durable, exactly?

As far as upgradability of laptops, it's not just Apple but rather the entire mainstream market is moving / has moved away from making them upgradable. If you want an upgradable system, a desktop PC is likely your best option, but things there will change too - much like Radio Shack dying because people weren't buying electronic components to make or fix things themselves.

thanks for the "enlightment". have a nice one. ;-)

 

[LimerickRunner]

Head of Marketing skews statistics to make Apple products seem desirable.. shocker!

Why would you say that? The reviews by tech bloggers that have actually used the products are extremely positive, the only negatives are coming from people who haven't used the product.

 

[jmgregory1]

The only reason for the high sales is that they made people wait for so long for an update.

Unfortunately, these are not "Pro" machines anymore. My current MacBook Pro is ideal. I can just grab it, go to a meeting and plug into any video projector; I can grab my camera and transfer photos on SD at any whim; MagSafe really was an innovation (possibly one of Apple's most significant in recent years). I don't even think I know anyone at work with a USB-C cable or device. Whoever dubbed this the DongleBook really nailed it. Next up is dealing with all the people who just buy these not knowing what they're getting into, and then come running around asking the rest of us for adapters.

This is just like the first iMac or any of the previous new products that Apple made that dumped old ports or drives for something new no one else was offering. It's an argument about whether you want to move forward, or stick with where things have been. You can stick with what you have, which is totally your prerogative. Peripherals will catch up and at some point you'll move on to the next thing, just in time for the next change to complain about.

 

[pier]

As far as upgradability of laptops, it's not just Apple but rather the entire mainstream market is moving / has moved away from making them upgradable. If you want an upgradable system, a desktop PC is likely your best option, but things there will change too - much like Radio Shack dying because people weren't buying electronic components to make or fix things themselves.

Depends on the segment.

For example the Dell Precision workstations have upgradeable / replaceable RAM (up to 32GB), battery, SSD and 2.5 drives depending on which version you buy.

 

[eco7777]

the world is full of idiots who only try to mingle.
When you feel you are unique by becoming a number, you know we as a race, are in problems.

 

[Pootmatoot]

Really? That's not what I've read. I've read it's better than the MB keyboard, albeit different than the previous rMBP keyboard. People who have not used or tested the new keyboard, should not just assume negatively that it is going to be bad, because because.

Lisa Gade's review - who's pretty much the fairest and actually knowledgeable multi-OS user and reviewer out there - is pretty damning about the keyboard.

 

[wallysb01]

Others have noted this already - the 16gb limitation on ram is not an Apple issue, but rather an Intel issue. If you want to have the latest CPU, you're stuck at 16bg. And I'm guessing that you would not be happy if they put in an older, less efficient CPU, just to get the ability to run 32gb's of ram. It's all about compromises and Apple focuses on providing the best UX they can, while also taking into account battery life, heat, weight, etc.

No. Its Apple's choice to stick with LPDDR3 that made this a 16GB limit a reality. They very well could have used DDR4 with the very same CPUs and even gone up to 64GB of RAM.

And going beyond that, your current rMBP using 14.5gb's of ram is doing what it should be, utilizing existing hardware. If you're seeing issues and unable to work, then it's possible that ram is at fault, but it could be CPU/GPU related as well.

Its pretty easy to tell if a problem is RAM in activity monitor. Do you see the "memory pressure" thing pegging out? Do you see active swap? This isn't guess work.

 

[jjlannoo]

WELL DUH!! That is what happens when it is ONLY AVAILABLE ONLINE!!! Not even the damn Apple Store carries the damn thing. How are you supposed to get one if there are none to get but through online ordering! That new supply manager should be freakin fired! Iphone 7 release, macbook pro release...all online! WTH???

This isn't any different then past releases. They often allow ordering before a product is released by a few weeks.

 

[antonis]

Also interesting: Schiller noted the new MacBook Pro still has a 3.5mm headphone jack because it is a "pro machine,"

LOL !

So at last you now know the truth guys. Whenever the jack port was removed from, it was because it's a pro feature and shouldn't be on a plain consumer device.

 

[Tompkinson]

Great. Which outlet do you want to switch to?

One would hope that in 100 years humans will no longer make use of cables.
And require far less power than necessary today.
Perhaps Nikola Tesla will be proven right?
Of course you and I will be dead by then.

 

[amegicfox]

instead of spending 4 years developing a useless flat hard "butterfly" keyboard and pointless led strip,
they should have spent years developing a macbook pro with:

- 8 to 16 to 32 cores
- 1TB of ram
- battery that last 24 to 48 hours
- wireless and wired 5 minutes super fast charging
- as many ports as the macbook can physically handle, the more the better

this is just common sense, PRO users want SPEED and EXPANSIBILITY not thinness

innovation is hard and Tim and Jony aren't qualified to run a company

 

[alexgowers]

Trust me there will be a massive drop off in the next month. This line is currently dead to me until things change, when we get proper dGPU, bigger storage, new cpus and a huge price drop.

 

[gnipgnop]

No. Its Apple's choice to stick with LPDDR3 that made this a 16GB limit a reality. They very well could have used DDR4 with the very same CPUs and even gone up to 64GB of RAM.

When has Apple ever used anything other than the low-power version of RAM that's specifically meant for portables? Using desktop RAM in a laptop wasn't really an option for them.

 

[carrrrrlos]

One USB 3 port would have been nice.

 

[Dubberton]

Totally bored with this MacBook Pro update. I wasn't looking to upgrade with this update anyway, but this only makes me want to hang onto my late 2013 version as long as I can.

Maybe in 10 years the rest of the world will have switched everything to USB C and I won't need to buy a $400 headache in the form of idiotic dongles.