Apple Has Received More Online Orders for New MacBook Pro Than Any Previous Generation

[LimerickRunner]

Can't wait to get my new 15" mbp, love apple products.

 

[Tompkinson]

The US 120 VAC, 60 Hz standard which has been around since the early 1900s will be around for the next 100 (or more) years.

100years ???
You don't have much faith in the future, you you?
I would hope that in 100 years this form of power transmission will be obsolete.

 

[mscice]

Since we cant plug in a iphone7 into new macbooks... i think iphone8 will have same usbc plugs as new macbooks have.. anyone agree?

 

[SteveW928]

Finally some intelligent statements by Schiller. Now, the question is... who wins in Cook vs Schiller? (And, where is that love for all the other Mac lines???)

 

[Polynaut]

Hey there at Apple – hopefully someone of you guys reads this…

I've been using Apple products since system 7… it’s been a long way with ups and downs. Apple of course hasn’t always done the right thing, but when Steve came back there was a pro strategy shifting the core users that kept Apple alive in the dark years to Mac OSX, building computers for professionals and supporting creatives with serious software. Quicktime Pro 7, Final Cut Pro or Logic were great tools for creatives to actually make things. The line of „iTools" hasn’t ever been any use for myself and neither is what you call "Final Cut Pro X" today. We’ve seen Final Cut Pro going from being more-less an industry-standard to irrelevant… well okay. Adobe filled the gap – kind of. The Quicktime 7 workflow with Apple ProRes and such was and actually still ist kind of the best solution out there – even after years of NOT looking after it.

But what is going on with hardware? Seriously! I didn’t wait 5 years to buy a new Macbook Pro, to be offered this kind of crap. Damn! The new Macbook Pro lineup might be neat in many ways… but it’s NOT „Pro“.

Who are Apple’s core Mac users? For a big part, we are the guys that use computers to create things… designers, musicians, filmmakers… we are the dudes who always had Mac’s in our offices and we depend on powerful computers. We also like beautiful things and we appreciated it, that laptops and displays made a perfect match… we were always willing to pay the extra mile to have that advantage over the ugly pc-guys office setup.

And now? Should I honestly buy myself that ugly LG display and a new Macbook Pro that doesn’t connect to anything? Will I need to carry around a lineup of adapters to be able to do my basic work? Talking about adapters… where ist the dock that looks neat on my desk and is portable enough to make my laptop a portable computer again? Sure using the cloud is great. But with my work I often deal with big files and up- and downloading stuff just isn’t an option most of the time. Now I can’t even connect a simple USB stick to my laptop… guess how often that „feature" is needed! You can’t even connect an iPhone to the new Macbooks!!! Hell?

Found this on the web and it shows what I mean in one pic: http://www.blogrebellen.de/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/iphone7-macbook-pro-dongle.jpeg

I wouldn’t care at all if the new Macbook Pro would still be as thick and heavy as my 2011 model, if it would just be a serious and fast working machine, instead of another shiny handbag-computer for slimness enthusiasts. And honestly – 4.000.- to 5.000.- for the „fastest“ model with 2TB?

Same story with the desktop „MacPro“… I would a have bought a bunch of Pro machines in the last couple years for my company if they would have been a serious option… instead we bought used 4.1 MacPros on eBay, flashed them to be 5.1 and pimped them with processors, flashed Invidia graphics cards (CUDA enabled for After Effects) and PCI-E flash drives to be as fast as the outdated and overpriced little trashcan "still" offered today. I think some important guys at Apple don’t have a clue what pro-users actually need…

Come on? Where is the innovation? The Touch Bar? Wanna make me laugh? 75% of the time my laptop is connected to a keyboard and a display in my office… the laptop sitting on a beautiful mStand from Rain Design next to a perfectly matching Apple display… guys… design is only good when it’s made for people. Do you really think a Pro-DJ will use the Bar for mixing? Well… I guess not! But they will have to bring along a bunch of adapters now to connect their devices. Form should be simple and beautiful, but still follow function! In my eyes… you are losing it!

I waited for ages to buy new hardware for my office and will now end up buying some laptops from the previous generation and try to get some used Thunderbolt displays alongside, so that I can keep that nice look in my office – for some time at least. But I am getting really more and more upset with how Apple treats pro users.

I see that the iPhone and services make a lot more cash… but at the core of you're brand are the creatives that use Mac’s to create things… and you should reconsider building stuff that is useful and not just slim. Otherwise someday maybe another brand will be cool cause all the creatives use their products…

(As english is not my first language… please apologize my spelling)

Cheers,
Markus

 

[au003]

I laugh at people who try to defend this MacBook.

 

[jmgregory1]

a) i do own many apple devices. i'm owning CEO, i've personally purchased (from my own money) and worked on all kinds of apple devices worth at least 30+ grand within the last few years, so be assured i know what i am talking about. i'm using cMBP 2012 hires because i consider it to be the best machine for my needs. in short: i'm using a mid2012 not because i don't have any other devices or i cant afford another device for myself, but because it's a great machine and can be upgraded far above the top 2016 macbook pro (talking about ssd disk space, being en par with 16 gb ram). so please go and find another argumentation. some of my employees do use the rMBP 13", it's a very nice machine but unfortunately doesn't offer enough cpu power (no quadcore :-() and available disk space for my needs (i do love the form factor, though!) ... "you cant afford the new machine this is why you are whining" is not an argument ... never was.

b) faster, better ... were your own words, not mine. obviously the "better" *should* apply to newer keyboards, faster for cpu etc. i was assuming that was clear, as it was your own words. didn't want to confuse it with typing speed, wasn't my intention. never mind.

c) longer lasting keyboard? sounds like a non-issue to me. ... we're daily using 8-16 hours mainly 2011 and 2012 macbook keyboards. rMBP keyboards are good too (until 2015) - never had a single issue on any device, never replaced a keyboard. however, had replaced a 2007 MBP and multiple 2011 cMBP mainboards due to design/production faults. but yes, if i don't like to use a keyboard because it sucks (like the 12" macbook keyboard), it will probably last even longer ;-) this only reflects my very personal opinion. ... but ...

d) as a matter of fact, the new 2016 macbook style keyboard, like the 12" macbook keyboard, is considered not as good as the older keyboards by many people. just go and watch the reviews. some other people might like it though, as usual. (i do know some)

"design over usability" is the wrong way to go. my opinion. besides that, this is an incredibly beautiful computer, absolutely agree on that. i just wouldn't want to work on it and i can't support the direction apple is going. it's a dead end. AAPL will tell us, i'm curious.

I'm very happy for you that you are a CEO and owner of a company that has spent $30k in Apple products. And that you are using a 2012 cMBP that you like because you can update the SSD and ram. I too own my own company, although I have two partners, and we've spent millions of dollars on equipment and developing intellectual property doing something that no one else in the world can do, if this is about patting ourselves on the back...

To answer to your retort:

a. I never suggested you couldn't afford a new rMBP.
b. I used the faster, better words, not as direct adjectives to specific parts of the new rMBP's, but as in general improvements in tech make them faster / better / thinner / lighter / longer lasting, etc.
c. I've replaced the keyboard on my early 2013 15" rMBP once already and just ordered a new letter A, because I've worn the paint off of it and the spring mechanism is sloppy now - I should try to figure out why I'm typing so many letter A's to have worn it like this, when no other key shows damage like this). You didn't answer my question about using the new rMBP keyboard. I've read the reviews of the MB keyboard, but I've also read the initial reviews of the new rMBP keyboard, saying it was an improvement, so before saying it is worse, when you haven't tried it, is clearly not an informed opinion.

As far as upgradability of laptops, it's not just Apple but rather the entire mainstream market is moving / has moved away from making them upgradable. If you want an upgradable system, a desktop PC is likely your best option, but things there will change too - much like Radio Shack dying because people weren't buying electronic components to make or fix things themselves.

 

[KPOM]

Just go to a lecture hall at a university / research facility of your choice and you will see how it did not work. Hint: Surface everywhere. Used to be Mac Book (Pro) everywhere.

Windows 8 was widely panned. Surface didn't take off until Windows 10. And it still doesn't sell as well as the iPad, much less the MacBook Pro.

 

[JBraddock]

I don't remember the last time I have felt disappointed by an Apple announcement.

If I was to purchase a 15" Macbook Pro that is similarly configured to my current mid-2014 one, I would have to pay £2,276.40 with %14 student discount applied. That's almost £600 more than what I'd paid for two years ago. I know Brexit is partly responsible for the price increase but, this is way too much for this laptop.

And I don't seriously understand the obsession with thinness and lightness. This is not a phone. I am not going to carry it in my pocket. Why do we have to keep sacrificing performance and be content with less feature sets so that the laptop can get thinner and lighter and Apple can brag about it?.

All these make sense for Macbook or Macbook Air but not for Macbook Pro, particularly the 15". How much difference is the appeal of longer battery life and thinness going to make if I am going to use this laptop for editing on Final Cut Pro X? The whole appeal of lightness and thinness goes away as soon as you realise that you have to bring a bunch of adapters and power banks with you so that you can utilise the USB-C to its fullest. On top of that, they got rid of MacSafe. Seriously? I don't remember how many times it saved my laptop.

I appriciate the desire to push for change and innovation, which was why I loved Apple in the first place but I am not using this laptop in the future. I am using it now. You can't dismiss people's criticism based on how things will turn out in a couple of years.

For a new Mac user, all these may not be a problem. But I've already have peripherals that I'd invested in. And all of a sudden I am expected to consider the SD Card slot cumbersome. I've really started to hate Apple's patronising language in terms of how people should use their gadgets. I know it has by and large been the case before but it seems particularly obvious that Apple is going through a period of ego explosion.

I don't see myself as a Windows user but If something happens to my current Mac, I'll probably build a desktop Hackintosh.

 

[altair7]

Yep, sounds like Apple isn't supporting your specific use case any more. That's too bad, and I'm sorry for you. Looks like you'll need to go the Windows/Linux route if you want that sort of power. I, on the other hand, love these "consumer" machines and am happy to spend my $$$$$ on something shiny, even if it doesn't have the absolute best possible specs.

I'd rather have a great-looking machine with good battery life and future-proof ports than a powerhouse that I can only use for an hour when it isn't plugged in. And lucky for me, it looks like I'm the type of consumer that Apple is targeting!

You are correct. Sadly, I am no longer in the target audience for Apple. Glad it works for you but nothing Apple makes right now will work for what I'm looking for. I've used macs for 12 years now.

 

[Starfyre]

"If you made the Mac a touchscreen you'd have to figure out how to make it a good experience with your finger on a touchscreen."

Wait until Surface Studio gains more traction at its lower price point, and Dell and other computer manufacturers reveal comparable alternatives. Apple may have to change it's course, and perhaps come out with a device with it that makes it easy to use.

 

[trip1ex]

wow 24 pages of whining. let me guess a new model from Apple launched.

 

[gnasher729]

"lacks an SD card reader because it's a "cumbersome" slot" - Ya right!!!.
Only reason I can think of is they got rid of it because people were using cheap SD cards to increase their storage. There are so many cards specifically designed for MacBooks that sit flush in the slot and way cheaper than upgrading your internal storage.

How long do you think until you can get flash drives with USB C adapter? So far I've seen 128 GB drives, 256GB and 512GB shouldn't be far away.

Interestingly there are quite a few drives with two connectors, USB-C and USB-A. For example the Kingston DataTraveller, 64 GB on Amazon for £17.99. One end plugs into USB-C, the other end into USB-A.

 

[peter2]

Windows 8 was widely panned. Surface didn't take off until Windows 10. And it still doesn't sell as well as the iPad, much less the MacBook Pro.

It was not me who spoke of Windows 8. I was using a stylus with one note and windows XP tablet PC edition many years ago and was arguing that it was not multi-touch but rather something that makes perfect sense for a laptop/convertible. You don't need multi-touch or changing os x to enable students to take hand written notes, so Phil dismisses touch based on features no one (sane) is suggesting.

 

[Pootmatoot]

Good news for all the people wanting a computer with both A and C: Go buy a dell! See ya.
"This looks like a great idea!!" - No one, ever. Or, people with terrible judgement and no style.
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Umm, the 2015 Dell XPS line is one of the most critically awarded laptops lines ever...

 

[Zargot]

I knew Phil reminded me of someone...

 

[leman]

Yep, sounds like Apple isn't supporting your specific use case any more.

Not that it ever did, to be honest

 

[pbasmadj]

Umm, the 2015 Dell XPS line is one of the most critically awarded laptops lines ever...

To each their own, I wouldn't be caught dead using that thing.

 

[Digital Skunk]

Skeuomorphism

Skeuomorphism Was disgusting. I'm glad it's gone.

Don't mean anything by it... I'm just saying.

 

[pbasmadj]

Skeuomorphism Was disgusting. I'm glad it's gone.

Don't mean anything by it... I'm just saying.

Agree, not a fan, either.

No thanks.

 

[Pootmatoot]

To each their own, I wouldn't be caught dead using that thing.

My partner has one, and it looks great: the screen alone makes my MBP 2015 look dated.

The carbon fibre is also really kind to the wrists when typing for long stretches.

I'd recommend trying one in person: this isn't a world of plastic PCs any more.

 

[Brian Clifford]

Or just buy another when the time comes. It's a $1,500 laptop, not a house...

Or a great deal more Dollars depending on what specs you buy. At least a House would be a better investment.

 

[pier]

I really wouldn't mind paying these prices if Apple treated these machines as pro machines instead of treating them as expensive consumer devices. For example the Dell Precision series come with 3 years of warranty with in situ repairs. Dell actually comes to your office or house to repair the machine. The Thinkpad series also come with 3 years of warranty by default.

The crappy butterfly keyboard and lack of non touchbar options for the more powerful machines are also deal breakers for me.

I'll pass.

 

[Investor27]

I laugh at people who try to defend this MacBook.

They are trying to talk themselves into believing that it's all right to have already spent $3,500 on a 16GB laptop with last year's Skylake chip, a non-touch screen, no other ports besides the one, and the dreaded butterfly keyboard.

 

[LimerickRunner]

I really wouldn't mind paying these prices if Apple treated these machines as pro machines instead of treating them as expensive consumer devices. For example the Dell Precision series come with 3 years of warranty with in situ repairs. Dell actually comes to your office or house to repair the machine. The Thinkpad series also come with 3 years of warranty by default.

The crappy butterfly keyboard and lack of non touchbar options for the more powerful machines are also deal breakers for me.

I'll pass.

Yeah dell need to cos their products are rubbish, I've never had issues with Apple hardware as for Dell, we won't go there! A great saying in life is "Buy cheap, buy twice"