Apple Has Received More Online Orders for New MacBook Pro Than Any Previous Generation

[Brandon Hobart]

This will only be an issue during the transitional period, but Apple could've the common courtesy to include a USB 3 Type A to Type C adapter in the box but they didn't

I wonder when next year iProducts are released, if it'll come in USB-C by default, that'll totally shock non USB-C users as they now need to buy an adapter to plug their new iProduct to their USB Type A PCs

Lack of a USB port, SD card reader or buying an adapter are not the only issues. There is RAM limitation i.e. 16 GB which is the same as the older Macs. The function keys and Esc button is replaced by the touch bar which is very critical for developers and programmers or for professional use. Seems like the word Pro in the MacBook Pro should be cut-off in accordance with what they have released and what they should.

 

[border terrier]

This is why Apple is moving in the direction it is. If consumers will continue to buy, they will continue to make money which lets be honest is all shareholders and Tim wants. It's all very sad for those of us that just want the best computers and best os.

It's hard to argue the company isn't a huge success despite how purists feel.

 

[Tech198]

I would be kinda surprised in countries where prices differ greatly like in Australia for instance..

Maybie in the U.S, but what about other countries ?

$2,600 just for the 13-ich with Touch bar here.... $600 extra than my 2015 retina... Holy molly.. even if u take into account the 2hz speed difference,

 

[iBug2]

The issue is, Apple could've build that machine and the price increase will be justifiable! Instead they made the laptop thinner (people is perfectly fine with rMBP thickness) and ignore what people really wanted (more power).

Not me. I still think the current MBP's are heavy. I want a sub 1kg notebook, like the Macbook, but having the power of the current MBP. That would be ideal for me.

 

[bergmann.flb]

So glad you joined the forums TODAY, and all five of your posts are in this thread, and all five in one way or another are defending the MBP's high price.

your point is? just because i didnt register until now i cant have my opinion? i just dont get people who claim to be using their computer for their professional work, while crying about it beeing so expensive.

 

[wheelhot]

Lack of a USB port, SD card reader or buying an adapter are not the only issues. There is RAM limitation i.e. 16 GB which is the same as the older Macs. The function keys and Esc button is replaced by the touch bar which is very critical for developers and programmers or for professional use. Seems like the word Pro in the MacBook Pro should be cut-off in accordance with what they have released and what they should.

Hmm, you do know that the Esc keys and Functions keys will most likely be application specific now (which means more useful shortcut keys) and I guess if the App doesn't support it, it'll resort to the basic Esc+functions keys. On boot camp it'll resort to display the basic Esc+function keys
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Not me. I still think the current MBP's are heavy. I want a sub 1kg notebook, like the Macbook, but having the power of the current MBP. That would be ideal for me.

But the current MBP doesn't get your sub 1kg now does it?

 

[ofarlig]

your point is? just because i didnt register until now i cant have my opinion? i just dont get people who claim to be using their computer for their professional work, while crying about it beeing so expensive.

That is actually funny, I've never heard a professional ever who cares what his computer costs. He/she has needs and those needs need to be met, cost does not really matter at all.

 

[bergmann.flb]

That is actually funny, I never heard a professional every who cares what his computer costs. He/she has needs and those needs need to be met, cost does not really matter at all.

exactly thats my point. a macbook or any computer you use to make money should be paying for itself really quickly.

 

[TrueBlou]

I am in the minority within the vocal detractors, but, I agree with his assessment of a MBP not having a touch screen. Having to interact by reaching up isn't natural, nor ergonomically comfortable in practice.

I think the advancement needs to happen in IOS to incorporate more of MacOS's core features and multi-tasking ability. The Mac could totally benefit having some more multitouch capability, and perhaps eventually replacing the keyboard with a full screen lower case half, for multitouch input.

But again, this is just my opinion.

I'm inclined to agree with that, I'm not particularly interested in reaching up to tap my laptop screen. The Trackpad and the Touch Bar will serve perfectly well in that respect. I find reaching up to touch a screen to be something that completely interrupts my flow, my hands are better served on the keyboard portion, which is why any touchscreen laptop I've had or used has actually never been used that way by me.

I wouldn't however object if that same screen could detach from the MacBook and serve as an iPad Pro. That's something I'd very much like, the masterful combination of my MacBook Pro and my iPad Pro.

No longer would you have to think, ok which one do I want to take on my travels. The one to get serious work done, or the one for light work and entertainment. Or will I be better served taking both with me.

That's just my outlook of course, I don't think a detachable device needs to operate as a touchscreen when docked with its base. It could I guess. But I'd be happy enough if it didn't in order to save power. There's no really good reason I can think of why Apple shouldn't go this route, it's the one thing I really like about the Surface Book.

I've said many times I think macOS would be a terrible mobile OS and iOS would be a terrible traditional computing platform. But a delicate merging of the two to form two distinct uses within the same device. No objection to that at all.

It wouldn't necessarily be cheap, but some of the cost could be offset by the fact that the iPad Pro would be serving as the screen, the wireless chipsets, potentially as at least a portion of the storage, part of the battery, basically the keyboard section would be a large battery, the USB interface, graphics chipset and the Intel processor. With the iPad Pro taking care of the rest. It would still be macOS and iOS, but refined versions of both to take advantage of the merging.

I could sit and get my serious work done in laptop configuration, maybe undock the screen to use the Pencil. Then when I'm done, just lift the screen off and read spider-man, err, I mean war and peace of course

 

[dingdong]

I don't believe this is true.. They're just bluffing to think people are actually buying them.. to convince others that sprouting adapters is acceptable let alone the additional costs. Perhaps they are referring to last years model in the refurbished department?

 

[dantroline]

I don't believe this is true.. They're just bluffing to think people are actually buying them.. to convenience others that sprouting adapters is acceptable let alone the additional costs. Perhaps they are referring to last years model in the refurbished department?

I think it's true at least to an extent. Many people I know with apple hardware have ordered new MBP's, most of them with ageing equipment that is overdue for upgrades.

 

[The Mercurian]

I don't believe this is true.. They're just bluffing to think people are actually buying them.. to convenience others that sprouting adapters is acceptable let alone the additional costs. Perhaps they are referring to last years model in the refurbished department?

Completely agree. Its just sales bluster

 

[obiwan]

I just wonder how many of the people who ordered these machines are actually Pros themselves. Just because a product has a 'Pro' badge on it, doesn't mean the person buying it is a 'Pro'. So a 3.5mm headphone jack is now a Pro feature? A couple of weeks ago I thought Apple said they removed the audio jack on the iPhone 7 because they had developed a better way to deliver audio? So which one is it?

My hunch is that the people buying these machines are not the real power users, but the iOS crowd who have been seduced with the sleekness of the iPhone 7. I just fear that they'll be no real Pros left, as Apple seem to be gradually moving further and further away from their core market, and going for mass-market fashion appeal. Obviously, the bigger market they can attract, the more money they make - and Apple have never made any secrets about the fact that they only compete in markets where they have the competitive edge. The problem is - Apple need to keep the Pros on side, otherwise who will develop all the iOS apps to keep the whole iOS bubble alive?

 

[JGRE]

That's what happens when you don't friggin update them for ages and there's pent up demand. Duh...

"Back then" online shopping hardly existed

 

[MacBH928]

What Apple doesn't understand is that, the macbook pro itself isn't a bad machine...

The specs are old, and the price is high.

Either lower the price or pump the specs. Also no ports for no logical reason on a PROFESSIONAL machine.

 

[Abazigal]

Well, it is good for Apple if they have Received More Online Orders for New MacBook Pro but Apple is inconsistent for their new products. Factually speaking, I don't know who are buying this new product as it lacks most of the necessities a normal Apple user would demand. Talking about the basic one; if you are unable to connect, charge or sync your iPhone with the new Macbook Pro and needs to spend some bucks again to buy an adapter for this purpose then it is good for nothing.

It has literally been years since I last plugged an ios device to my Mac. All my data is backed up to iCloud nightly, so even getting out the Lightning cable to sync my iPhone to my Mac feels like a chore these days.

I am not ordering the MacBook Pro (or at least not anytime soon), but I personally feel there isn't any drawback I can't live with. If I am prepared to put up with the MacBook and its sole USB C port, 4 such ports on the mbp sure feels like a luxury.

My data is stored in the cloud. I can pass files around using airdrop. I can hotspot to my phone if I need an internet connection. It still has the headphone jack. Wireless printing perhaps? I guess I really should get around to setting that up at my workstation.

So tell me - what other basic features would I presumably be missing?

 

[JGRE]

I just wonder how many of the people who ordered these machines are actually Pros themselves. Just because a product has a 'Pro' badge on it, doesn't mean the person buying it is a 'Pro'. So a 3.5mm headphone jack is now a Pro feature? A couple of weeks ago I thought Apple said they removed the audio jack on the iPhone 7 because they had developed a better way to deliver audio? So which one is it?

My hunch is that the people buying these machines are not the real power users, but the iOS crowd who have been seduced with the sleekness of the iPhone 7. I just fear that they'll be no real Pros left, as Apple seem to be gradually moving further and further away from their core market, and going for mass-market fashion appeal. Obviously, the bigger market they can attract, the more money they make - and Apple have never made any secrets about the fact that they only compete in markets where they have the competitive edge. The problem is - Apple need to keep the Pros on side, otherwise who will develop all the iOS apps to keep the whole iOS bubble alive?

Yup, my IPhone 7 is not "Pro", I must be an amateur.

 

[Urban Joe]

"so far our online store has had more orders for the new MacBook Pro than any other pro notebook before"

Is Apple fishing for superlatives? This sounds like marketing hyperbole to me. So is it the largest number of new release MBP's ever ordered or just the most that have been ordered from the online store? It sounds like they are saying one thing and trying to imply the other. Ambiguous over-statements like this are irritating.

 

[photographypro]

In a wide-ranging interview with The Independent, Apple marketing chief Phil Schiller said the company has received more online orders for the new MacBook Pro so far than any previous-generation MacBook Pro.

Schiller said the early criticism and debate about the new MacBook Pro has been "a bit of a surprise" to him, but said "that's cool" and common for new Apple products. He attributed the response to a "passionate" customer base.Schiller went on to say the new MacBook Pro is "the best notebook ever made," but admitted it "might not be right for everyone on day one."

Whereas some companies are blurring the lines between notebooks and tablets, Schiller said the basic L shape "makes perfect sense and won't go away."That response is part of Apple's belief that the Mac and iOS devices are "fundamentally two different products."Also interesting: Schiller noted the new MacBook Pro still has a 3.5mm headphone jack because it is a "pro machine," but lacks an SD card reader because it's a "cumbersome" slot best left to adapters or wireless transfers.

Full Article: Apple's Philip Schiller talks computers, touchscreens, and voice on the new MacBook Pro

Article Link: Apple Has Received More Online Orders for New MacBook Pro Than Any Previous Generation

[doublepost=1478170891][/doublepost]From the article: "Also interesting: Schiller noted the new MacBook Pro still has a 3.5mm headphone jack because it is a "pro machine," but lacks an SD card reader because it's a "cumbersome" slot best left to adapters or wireless transfers."

So apparently the iPhone 7 and 7 plus are not "Pro" Smartphones, since they lack a 3.5mm headphone jack!

 

[playtech1]

"so far our online store has had more orders for the new MacBook Pro than any other pro notebook before"

Is Apple fishing for superlatives? This sounds like marketing hyperbole to me. So is it the largest number of new release MBP's ever ordered or just the most that have been ordered from the online store? It sounds like they are saying one thing and trying to imply the other. Ambiguous over-statements like this are irritating.

I think you're right - this claim reveals very little. I'm willing to bet that usage of the online store has been growing year on year. The fact that he has to qualify it and say any other PRO notebook suggests that regular MacBooks and MacBook Airs have in the past been more popular...

 

[Rogifan]

My $200 worth of dongles just arrived. Too bad I already cancelled the computer part of the order. Free return shipping? Click.

My old boss just bought a surface. The new Microsoft surface workstations are at Adobe Maxx and gorgeous - the hit of the event.

The price increase was a slap in the face, and completely unjustified by the capabilities of the machine.

I guess that's 'bold risk' that Phil's talking about.

The net is that we're now seeing what Jony Ive does when unrestrained by Steve - or apparently anyone else. He's as bad as fashion designers - both want anorexic models, instead of real-world forms.

Ahem, Steve launched the 2008 MacBook Air with one port 2GB RAM and $1800 starting price. Redesigned machine with additional port wasn't released until fall 2010.

 

[azeteg]

exactly thats my point. a macbook or any computer you use to make money should be paying for itself really quickly.

The question is how much more revenue I will generate by getting the latest and greatest mac, compared to one that is a few years old.

In my case, I'd rather spend the difference on a nice holiday for me and my family.

 

[PBG4 Dude]

Ahem, Steve launched the 2008 MacBook Air with one port 2GB RAM and $1800 starting price. Redesigned machine with additional port wasn't released until fall 2010.

The "launch new tech at a higher price and lower the price in subsequent years" pattern was broken with the retina MacBook.

Considering Apple basically put an Apple Watch inside their new rMBP, I don't see the price declining too much in future generations, unless consumer's pricing concerns actually lead to lower sales over the next couple of quarters.

 

[dilbert99]

I think the "blind sheep" may be the ones dismissing this new hardware as unimpressive and overpriced before they've even had a chance to see it.

So you have to see the hardware to know it is overpriced? All Apple gear is overpriced nowadays.

 

[TallManNY]

@TallManNY : Do you think it's possible that Apple will discontinue the Mac Pro? I'm not very familiar with the primary use cases for the Mac Pro, but for media, wouldn't an iMac with multiple TB3 and USB-3 ports come in cheap enough to allow users that needed a more power GPU to buy an external one?

Edit: Didn't see the post above. Pretty much my same thoughts.

The lack of monitor is a sign that Minis and Pros are done. But it is too bad because any scenario requiring a superior graphics processor is not going to be satisfied by an iMac. And the Mini was used by some to make servers or to make budget Macs. Sad if both of these are gone. But especially so the Mac Pro. I know lots of people who have bought many of those over the years.