Apple Has Received More Online Orders for New MacBook Pro Than Any Previous Generation

[lowkey]

I would be kinda surprised in countries where prices differ greatly like in Australia for instance..

Maybie in the U.S, but what about other countries ?

$2,600 just for the 13-ich with Touch bar here.... $600 extra than my 2015 retina... Holy molly.. even if u take into account the 2hz speed difference,

Yep. these things are really expensive. Even accounting for the currency exchange these are being sold for a good $500 above what the exchange rate should be.

$2699 for the base touchbar model 13"
$3599 for the 15" with 256GB SSD.
$4249 for the top model.

They really need to be $500-$600 less if they want to sell big numbers.

The 12"MB base model was $1799 when it first came out. Rev 2 went up to $1999. I reckon they need to get that down to $1599 for them to get out in numbers like the MacBook Air did.

I always shop on the refurb store and got a rev1 rMB for $1439 which was a great price. But the problem is the returns always get sold for what the exchange rate was when the were initially released. So these new models are still going to be expensive even when they do start showing up in the refurb store.

OT- why doesnt the Australian refurb store EVER have iMacs? Like none in the last 2 years! So annoying. I'd love a 21" 4K refurb.

 

[sirwoodland]

What a BS'er... he's the kind of guy who can make an excuse for anything.

 

[gnasher729]

Why are people so interested in adapters? Just get the correct cable instead of lousy adapters.

People have more than one computer. There's computer at work, two computers at home, charger at work and at home, there isn't one "correct cable".

 

[lowkey]

Well, it is good for Apple if they have Received More Online Orders for New MacBook Pro but Apple is inconsistent for their new products. Factually speaking, I don't know who are buying this new product as it lacks most of the necessities a normal Apple user would demand. Talking about the basic one; if you are unable to connect, charge or sync your iPhone with the new Macbook Pro and needs to spend some bucks again to buy an adapter for this purpose then it is good for nothing.

Right so someone who can afford to buy an IPhone and a new MBP can't afford to buy the cable to connect them? LOL pull the other one.
I need to connect my FireWire Audio interface. If I buy a new MBP I'll have to buy a new cable too.

 

[gnasher729]

Surely it's broken down my model at least in the annual share report?

No. That would be giving information to the competition that you don't want to give them.

 

[ofarlig]

People have more than one computer. There's computer at work, two computers at home, charger at work and at home, there isn't one "correct cable".

Are people actually carrying cables with them? Sounds like a lot of work to just save a small amount of money. I got 2 usb A to lightning cables in my car, 4 cables at home (1 usb c to lightning, 3 usb A to usb lightning) and one cable at work. And that is just for my iPad and iPhone (wife uses the lightning cables at home and in car too.

Apart from the usb c to lightning cable that is being used with my rMB no cables gets moved, they are connected to charging stations and usb hubs at my docking station.

 

[gnasher729]

A knock off USB cable? USB is an open standard. The USB-C cable thats included with a new LaCie drive is not made by Apple yet sold in apple stores. It wont fry your computer. You crazy.

Knock off cables are not much of a danger. It's the chargers connected to them. Knock off cables may stop working quickly or not work at all, but it's the charger that can kill you or your computer.

 

[nmeed]

Of course it's received more orders than any previous generation, as it should. It's the first proper update to the MacBook Pro in many years. That should never have been in doubt. Surprised he even felt the need to say it. It's like an A student bragging about getting a slightly above average grade. Well, ya. Good job?

The question is how many more orders would they have received if they didn't make some baffling decisions. Maybe they would have been able to say we more than doubled the previous record considering how many people haven't upgraded waiting for this exact moment.

I found it a bit funny that he called the SD slot cumbersome. Because a dongle is svelte, ya buddy?

Oh well. That's just my take anyway.

 

[Ethosik]

I'm not rturner2 but if you compare the new MBPs with say the new Razer Blade it makes you wonder:

- 16GB DDR4 RAM
- 1TB M.2 SSD
- Nvidia GTX 1060 with 6GB of DDR5 RAM and almost double the performance of the Radeon Pro 460 (3.5 TFs vs 1.85 TFs)
- IGZO QHD display with 262.25 PPI
- Thunderbolt 3 with support for eGPU solution (Razer Core)
- USB 3 ports and HDMI 2.0

For $2,699

GTX 10xx is not more performant than workstation cards on actual work. Gaming yes. This is like complaining that the GTX 1080 beats the $3000+ Quadro cards. In gaming, yes, but not in production work.

 

[Max Portakabin]

I just wonder how many of the people who ordered these machines are actually Pros themselves. Just because a product has a 'Pro' badge on it, doesn't mean the person buying it is a 'Pro'. So a 3.5mm headphone jack is now a Pro feature? A couple of weeks ago I thought Apple said they removed the audio jack on the iPhone 7 because they had developed a better way to deliver audio? So which one is it?

My hunch is that the people buying these machines are not the real power users, but the iOS crowd who have been seduced with the sleekness of the iPhone 7. I just fear that they'll be no real Pros left, as Apple seem to be gradually moving further and further away from their core market, and going for mass-market fashion appeal. Obviously, the bigger market they can attract, the more money they make - and Apple have never made any secrets about the fact that they only compete in markets where they have the competitive edge. The problem is - Apple need to keep the Pros on side, otherwise who will develop all the iOS apps to keep the whole iOS bubble alive?

Which is all well and good but the fashion crowd is fickle. Pros are not.

 

[ofarlig]

The question is how much more revenue I will generate by getting the latest and greatest mac, compared to one that is a few years old.

In my case, I'd rather spend the difference on a nice holiday for me and my family.

The thing is for many professionals even contemplating which one to buy costs too much in time. We use Windows in my business but our computers still cost around $3000, that computer is still payed off in less than 10 billable hours so just trying to see if the old one fits my needs would cost enough to negate the difference.

Any problem we experience with our computers (say getting 2 crashes in 2 weeks time) will result in a replacement computer the same day. I know it is the same for a lot of professional users so keeping an older unit a little longer is not something that would go over well at many companies.

 

[Mal67]

Yep. these things are really expensive. Even accounting for the currency exchange these are being sold for a good $500 above what the exchange rate should be.

$2699 for the base touchbar model 13"
$3599 for the 15" with 256GB SSD.
$4249 for the top model.

They really need to be $500-$600 less if they want to sell big numbers.

The 12"MB base model was $1799 when it first came out. Rev 2 went up to $1999. I reckon they need to get that down to $1599 for them to get out in numbers like the MacBook Air did.

I always shop on the refurb store and got a rev1 rMB for $1439 which was a great price. But the problem is the returns always get sold for what the exchange rate was when the were initially released. So these new models are still going to be expensive even when they do start showing up in the refurb store.

OT- why doesnt the Australian refurb store EVER have iMacs? Like none in the last 2 years! So annoying. I'd love a 21" 4K refurb.

But at least JB HiFi do a 10% discount from time to time which takes the edge off some of those prices.

 

[azeteg]

The thing is for many professionals even contemplating which one to buy costs too much in time. We use Windows in my business but our computers still cost around $3000, that computer is still payed off in less than 10 billable hours so just trying to see if the old one fits my needs would cost enough to negate the difference.

The problem with macs is just that the target market is creative professionals, and creative professionals don't bill 300USD/hour. They are mostly happy to break-even in the end of the year...

 

[ofarlig]

The problem with macs is just that the target market is creative professionals, and creative professionals don't bill 300USD/hour. They are mostly happy to break-even in the end of the year...

That's the thing, I don't really think the only target is creative professionals anymore, they want to reach a wider audience than that. I know many companies working in everything from development to financial services and whatnot that use OS X exclusively these days and many more that offer the choice.

And even then, most of the companies working with graphical design and whatnot I have dealings with charge quite nicely and seem to be going great judging from the locations of their offices and such.

 

[Seanm87]

Haha I knew I said it from day 1. Tons of whining but the whiners are the ones that will pre order on day 1.

 

[Shanley]

GTX 10xx is not more performant than workstation cards on actual work. Gaming yes. This is like complaining that the GTX 1080 beats the $3000+ Quadro cards. In gaming, yes, but not in production work.

I looked up the Razer and found a less then 2 hour battery life, no touch bar, fewer USB C ports and and a weaker display.

Battery life alone makes that a hunk of junk.

 

[citysnaps]

Funny, comment. Someone buying the Air is hardly likely to have the $$$$$$$$$$ to buy those two 5K displays. But well played.

That's rich... You're saying someone who chooses to buy an MBA, because it happens to be an excellent tool for someone's needs does is poor and could not possibly have $$$$ available for other tech. Wow! Smells like projection to me.

 

[magbarn]

GTX 10xx is not more performant than workstation cards on actual work. Gaming yes. This is like complaining that the GTX 1080 beats the $3000+ Quadro cards. In gaming, yes, but not in production work.

We're not talking about $3000 cards here, the "pro" 480 in the top of the line rmbp 15 is a derivative of the $100 desktop 460 which won't hold a candle up to the 1060 that the razer uses. Nvidia this time has made their mobile parts almost as fast as the desktop gpu with the same model number while AMD still uses the old system where the mobile 480 is nowhere close to the real desktop 480.

Sadly the 2016 rmbp's cpu/gpu are giving you last year's performance for a premium price. The cpu that Apple chose is the same cpu that dell started using last year instead of the higher performance iris pro skylake that Apple should've used and the 480 in the top of the line gpu choice is just a bit faster than the 28nm 950M that everyone else has been using since over a year ago.

 

[Digital Dude]

Well, if Phil Schiller still doesn't understand why the reaction was so negative, then perhaps he needs to be shifted to a different position. I'm not into marketing, but I understand the reaction. I ordered a new MacBook Pro so I have no particular agenda. As for the negative response by many, one only has to review the video from the event. First, there was no passion by any of the presenters on stage. Apart from the software engineer chief, the demeanor of the executives was a sense of; 'I'm bored and don't want to be here.' They all seemed highly scripted and poorly prepared. Tim especially relied on the teleprompter more than in any other event I’ve seen.

The worst part of the presentation was the examples they chose to showcase the ‘touch bar.' They were not relevant or encompassing of an average user in a day-to-day application. The DJ demo made the feature look like a gimmick, period! Then came the demo of how you can more quickly select an emoji. Really? Then, who could forget the camera panning of a group of people in the audience with expressions of boredom, discontentment, and preoccupation? The applause from the audience was like that of a golf event. Sounds of the typical whoa, whoa, from someone in the background seemed fake. In fact, I've gone back and reviewed previous events where I could hear the same voice tone, pattern, and cadence.

In my opinion, the lack of connectivity on the MBP, I believe Apple could have averted 'some' of the vitriol by addressing the rationale behind the changes, or possibly have included a USB-C to Lightning cable.

 

[Thunderhawks]

Right so someone who can afford to buy an IPhone and a new MBP can't afford to buy the cable to connect them? LOL pull the other one.
I need to connect my FireWire Audio interface. If I buy a new MBP I'll have to buy a new cable too.

The point is the "experience" they allegedly design for.

Removing all ports, then pushing wireless, so everything looks good on a desk and then telling people to use dongles is just talking out of both sides of their mouths.

To not be able to connect an iphone 7 is embarrassing and the "cumbersome" comment is sales spin at its finest.

I don't think any pro photographer would ever consider it cumbersome to put an SD card into a slot.

What a jokester.

 

[citysnaps]

I just wonder how many of the people who ordered these machines are actually Pros themselves. Just because a product has a 'Pro' badge on it, doesn't mean the person buying it is a 'Pro'. So a 3.5mm headphone jack is now a Pro feature? A couple of weeks ago I thought Apple said they removed the audio jack on the iPhone 7 because they had developed a better way to deliver audio? So which one is it?

My hunch is that the people buying these machines are not the real power users, but the iOS crowd who have been seduced with the sleekness of the iPhone 7. I just fear that they'll be no real Pros left, as Apple seem to be gradually moving further and further away from their core market, and going for mass-market fashion appeal. Obviously, the bigger market they can attract, the more money they make - and Apple have never made any secrets about the fact that they only compete in markets where they have the competitive edge. The problem is - Apple need to keep the Pros on side, otherwise who will develop all the iOS apps to keep the whole iOS bubble alive?

Quite a few. A "professional" computer user is someone who uses a computer in their work.

Real estate agents, teachers, engineers, architects, retail store owners, sports coaches, professors, doctors, home business owners, scientists, members of the military, software developers, photographers, civil engineers, public transportation managers, building inspectors, city planners, county supervisors, artists, woodworkers, CNC operators, and on and on.

So-called computer "professionals," a term that's loaded with romanticized lofty use cases, actually run a wide gamut. Not everyone is running Maya, Solidworks, etc, looking for the next prime number, or trying to decrypt secret communications.

 

[magbarn]

I looked up the Razer and found a less then 2 hour battery life, no touch bar, fewer USB C ports and and a weaker display.

Battery life alone makes that a hunk of junk.

Are you sure you looked up the same Laptop? The razer is available with a 4k screen along with 5-6 hours of battery life based on similar situations where Apple quotes their battery life numbers. I highly doubt the rmbp gets 10 hours while gaming!

 

[Thunderhawks]

Haha I knew I said it from day 1. Tons of whining but the whiners are the ones that will pre order on day 1.

Not really. While your statement is as generic as mine
(We do not have specifics) my guess is that we have:

1) New users who have heard good things about the MBPs
2) Existing users who just want a new machine, come hell or high water
3) Corporate upgraders, regularly upgrading
4) users who replace really old machines.
5) "Whiners" whose machines work for what they do and
are willing to wait to see where this goes (I am in that group)

Feel free to add.

One thing is for sure, the specs are not the reason people buy these for.

 

[citysnaps]

Not really. While your statement is as generic as mine
(We do not have specifics) my guess is that we have:

1) New users who have heard good things about the MBPs
2) Existing users who just want a new machine, come hell or high water
3) Corporate upgraders, regularly upgrading
4) users who replace really old machines.
5) "Whiners" whose machines work for what they do and
are willing to wait to see where this goes (I am in that group)

Feel free to add.

One thing is for sure, the specs are not the reason people buy these for.

"One thing is for sure, the specs are not the reason people buy these for."

That's for sure? And your speaking for everyone?

I'm going to purchase one early next year. And, as a photographer it will absolutely be about specs, starting with:

1) the high-performance color-accurate DCI-P3 wide gamut display
2) and then flexible high-performance I/0 (with charging)
3) the ability to drive external 5K displays over single cable (including display data, programming, sound, and laptop charging)
4) large trackpad
5) Bluetooth 4.2
6) long battery life
7) compact lightweight design
8) and macOS that works well on connectivity with my iOS devices and other computers.

For me, and likely many others, it's all about specs.

 

[MallardDuck]

But at least JB HiFi do a 10% discount from time to time which takes the edge off some of those prices.

And don't forget to account for vat. That's 20+% in many countries.
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Are you sure you looked up the same Laptop? The razer is available with a 4k screen along with 5-6 hours of battery life based on similar situations where Apple quotes their battery life numbers. I highly doubt the rmbp gets 10 hours while gaming!

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