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It just seems to me a very, "**** you, we're doing what we want." attitude from Apple, and I can't see how that encourages customer loyalty.
But how is this surprising? Apple has always had this attitude - they push the envelope, and people are free to come along for the ride or to hold back with their old/competitor products. The same things were said when they removed FireWire, when they removed the SuperDrive, when they stopped offering a matte screen, etc... If you really want/need those features, you can get them in older models or through competitors. For others, like myself, that have no use for an SD card reader and are happy to upgrade to USB-C (I don't really attach that many things to my laptop, since I use iCloud for storage and sync my phone wirelessly. Power and the occasional HDMI port are all that I need, really, and I already have the USB-C to HDMI dongle) we are happy with the update.
Just because it's not right for you doesn't mean that it's a mistake on Apple's part. It just means that you won't be buying a new laptop from them this year - and I'm sure that they're okay with that.
But remember there are plenty of us that have no issues with the direction that Apple is going.
 
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The 13" rMBP:
Touch Bar and Touch ID
2.9GHz Processor
256GB Storage
$1799

I have an early 2015 rMBP that is a little over a year old with the same storage and memory. Since resale values are so low right now and the fact that I don't need it means I will be waiting...unless Best Buy has some killer Black Friday deal...

Any idea what mine is worth? It's in great condition and has AppleCare. It's never had any problems and has never been in for repair.

Use Gazelle. I am able to get $850 from my 2013 rMBP.
 
"Cumbersome" or not, the sd card reader slot wouldn't make the machine thicker. We use it, we need it. This is not a computer for writers. It's a computer for media professionals. And they really want us to believe they design thinking about what we want and need... Huge disapointment... That's all I have to say...
 
Not sure when that was, but they offered me $560 even when I called it 'flawless' which it is. Not giving it away.

Um, I just updated my quote last night. Still at $850
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"Cumbersome" or not, the sd card reader slot wouldn't make the machine thicker. We use it, we need it. This is not a computer for writers. It's a computer for media professionals. And they really want us to believe they design thinking about what we want and need... Huge disapointment... That's all I have to say...

Sigh. And I need VGA and DVI on a daily basis. So let's just put those back in there as well.
 
But remember there are plenty of us that have no issues with the direction that Apple is going.

In other words, you are a fanboi and no matter what Apple does you have its back and they have your cash. Yep and that is fine. But quit with the lame justifications, there is NOTHING wrong with being upset with Apple over its latest moves and direction. Nothing at all.
 
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In other words, you are a fanboi and no matter what Apple does you have its back and they have your cash. Yep and that is fine. But quit with the lame justifications, there is NOTHING wrong with being upset with Apple over its latest moves and direction. Nothing at all.
Sure thing - call me a "fanboi" because I'm not irrationally upset over the latest hardware refresh. Whatever makes you feel better. Probably why I don't have an iPhone 7 (can't stand huge phones) and didn't go for the TouchBar model MBP (because I don't feel like it's what I need in a computer). But I don't post on the forums about how Apple is going to lose everything because they've increased phone screen sizes or introduced this new technology, because I realize that there's a market-share that they are targeting - and it isn't me.

Just stop pretending like your needs are the needs of the entire MacBook Pro market, please.
 
Others have noted this already - the 16gb limitation on ram is not an Apple issue, but rather an Intel issue. If you want to have the latest CPU, you're stuck at 16bg. And I'm guessing that you would not be happy if they put in an older, less efficient CPU, just to get the ability to run 32gb's of ram. It's all about compromises and Apple focuses on providing the best UX they can, while also taking into account battery life, heat, weight, etc.

And going beyond that, your current rMBP using 14.5gb's of ram is doing what it should be, utilizing existing hardware. If you're seeing issues and unable to work, then it's possible that ram is at fault, but it could be CPU/GPU related as well.

Yes, it's currently doing what it should because I sized it correctly at the last upgrade (4 years ago), but its current memory usage tells me it's near EOL for me - and I wasn't particularly busy yesterday (only 2 VMs running). I've been in the computer business for over 40 years - I know how to do capacity planning. As I said, I can probably squeak by for a year before an upgrade is mandatory.

Apple won't *let* me size a machine correctly for an upgrade this cycle. Remember, it has to last 4 years. Dell, on the other hand, will sell me a machine with twice the memory in a very similar form factor (1TB PCIe SSD, same processor, same weight, about 1mm thicker, but not as wide) for about 700 dollars less. It will also have a bloody ESC key. It won't have a MagSafe, but then neither will the MBP. Yes it will come with infected with Windows, but it will take me about 20 minutes to eliminate that particular problem (I've been running Linux since the 0.92 kernel back in the mid-90s). I'll miss the tight integration with my iPhone and I'll have to cobble together something equivalent to the multilevel Time Machine-based NAS backup scheme we have running here at the house (we have 5 Macs here), but then I do this stuff for a living so it's not particularly difficult, just time-consuming.

It is possible (but in my experience wildly improbable) that a Dell will be less reliable than the MBP. My rMBP was out of commission for various hardware issues 4 times while it was still under AppleCare (and twice after that - the most recent occurrence took an email to Tim Cook to resolve). I think it is unlikely that a botched attempt by Dell to replace a faulty trackpad will result in the wholesale replacement of essentially the entire laptop (except the outer case and the SSD) - which is what happened to the rMBP 2 months after purchase (the rMBP is so hard to repair even Apple can't do it without breaking something critical half the time). I'm on my third motherboard in this thing. I blame myself - I was an early adopter and Apple frequently has initial quality control issues with new hardware.

By the way - I do agree with you that it's "all about compromises" - in this case, it's about compromising functionality to conform to an esthetic and marketing vision that has pretty much nothing to do with the usefulness of the machine as a tool (which is all it is for me). Yes, "pretty is a feature" (a notion that, by the way, originated with Seymour Cray on the CDC 7600, not with Steve Jobs) but it shouldn't be the only feature.
 
Sure thing - call me a "fanboi" because I'm not irrationally upset over the latest hardware refresh. Whatever makes you feel better. Probably why I don't have an iPhone 7 (can't stand huge phones) and didn't go for the TouchBar model MBP (because I don't feel like it's what I need in a computer). But I don't post on the forums about how Apple is going to lose everything because they've increased phone screen sizes or introduced this new technology, because I realize that there's a market-share that they are targeting - and it isn't me.

Just stop pretending like your needs are the needs of the entire MacBook Pro market, please.

I think you are the one who is out of touch with the market and the weight of internet opinion as this site's postings are indicative of the wider view of other tech sites.
In addition Mac sales are down for the last 5 quarters beyond just what has already been discussed here. The Mac tide turned and a large part of this is due to what has happened in both hardware and software under Tim Cook's helm.
People will buy older models as you have stated just as the 2012 cMBP was still still selling too so many people who insisted they needed a built in DVD drive or future expandability. While this is true, Apple has abandoned most of their product lines at this point (Air, Mac Mini, Mac Pro) and have only added one replacement, the MacBook which is still at least another gen away and a price drop from being even close to the popularity of the Air. The real outrage, I feel, is that they are marketing this laptop as a desktop replacement for professionals, which it is not and spending 6-10K in 3rd party peripherals (2 LG 5k displays and 2 Pegasus RAID arrays) doesn't excuse killing the Mac Pro softly.

To top it off, this massive FCPX update, still managed to neglect HEVC support which is already in Adobe CC. This might be the time to switch to Windows and a stupid Adobe subscription.
 
To top it off, this massive FCPX update, still managed to neglect HEVC support which is already in Adobe CC. This might be the time to switch to Windows and a stupid Adobe subscription.
This is exactly my point, and thank you for making it (while still disagreeing with me somehow). If the machine doesn't do what you want, you have options - you can switch to another platform or buy old models. If Apple is truly underestimating the possible market share here, then we will see that in their share prices. You could absolutely be correct and they could be pushed out of the laptop market - but we won't know until we see.
The real outrage, I feel, is that they are marketing this laptop as a desktop replacement for professionals, which it is not and spending 6-10K in 3rd party peripherals (2 LG 5k displays and 2 Pegasus RAID arrays) doesn't excuse killing the Mac Pro softly.
While I don't agree that that is the real outrage that's been expressed in this thread (most of the outrage I see is about a removed SD card and the switch to USB-C) I don't disagree with your statement here. This is not a replacement for a full-on desktop environment, and shouldn't be marketed as such. It's a portable workstation, which is why it's thinner and lighter with a focus on battery life. Apple should absolutely update its desktop line for those users who need a performant desktop machine.
 
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Um, I just updated my quote last night. Still at $850
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Sigh. And I need VGA and DVI on a daily basis. So let's just put those back in there as well.
It has a spot for the serial number. I entered to in twice. $560. 13" rMBP early 2015.
 
That is actually funny, I've never heard a professional ever who cares what his computer costs. He/she has needs and those needs need to be met, cost does not really matter at all.

I get what you are saying as I have minimum specs I need, sure, but I still am very very concerned about the bottom line. If what you say were true for all professionals, the Mac Pro would be far outselling the Imac, and that's just not happening.

If this were true, all us professionals would always max out the ram for absolute top performance so we can work as fast as possible, and we would also be more than happy to pay $1000 or more to upgrade and get an Apple-installed SSD. Who cares, right? Cost doesn't matter at all. Why bother upgrading ram yourself for half the price when Apple can do it for you? Are you kidding?
 
hey bud, stop thinking about yourself. should apple have included the CF slot and microSD slot I use frequently? NO.

look at the big picture, go eat some ice cream, and calm down.


LOL, I'm pretty calm, thanks. But you're right; when I'm spending thousands of dollars on a product I'll be using, I should be thinking about other people.
 
I'm sorry, but the whole excuse both Apple and its more hardcore fans put up in regards to not doing a touchscreen MBP is BS.

Here's why:

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Enough, please.


A configuration that is unnatural and uncomfortable. I don't see how you are going to refute my opinion by posting a device configuration I don't own or support.

But please, keep trying.
 
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"Cumbersome" or not, the sd card reader slot wouldn't make the machine thicker. We use it, we need it. This is not a computer for writers. It's a computer for media professionals. And they really want us to believe they design thinking about what we want and need... Huge disapointment... That's all I have to say...

i use CF cards and micro SD cards. I am a media professional. why didn't apple cater to my needs? i'm entitled. wah wah wah.
 
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In a wide-ranging interview with The Independent, Apple marketing chief Phil Schiller said the company has received more online orders for the new MacBook Pro so far than any previous-generation MacBook Pro.
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Schiller said the early criticism and debate about the new MacBook Pro has been "a bit of a surprise" to him, but said "that's cool" and common for new Apple products. He attributed the response to a "passionate" customer base.Schiller went on to say the new MacBook Pro is "the best notebook ever made," but admitted it "might not be right for everyone on day one."
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Whereas some companies are blurring the lines between notebooks and tablets, Schiller said the basic L shape "makes perfect sense and won't go away."That response is part of Apple's belief that the Mac and iOS devices are "fundamentally two different products."Also interesting: Schiller noted the new MacBook Pro still has a 3.5mm headphone jack because it is a "pro machine," but lacks an SD card reader because it's a "cumbersome" slot best left to adapters or wireless transfers.

Full Article: Apple's Philip Schiller talks computers, touchscreens, and voice on the new MacBook Pro

Article Link: Apple Has Received More Online Orders for New MacBook Pro Than Any Previous Generation
 
Sure thing - call me a "fanboi" because I'm not irrationally upset over the latest hardware refresh. Whatever makes you feel better. Probably why I don't have an iPhone 7 (can't stand huge phones) and didn't go for the TouchBar model MBP (because I don't feel like it's what I need in a computer). But I don't post on the forums about how Apple is going to lose everything because they've increased phone screen sizes or introduced this new technology, because I realize that there's a market-share that they are targeting - and it isn't me.

Just stop pretending like your needs are the needs of the entire MacBook Pro market, please.
Mr. Fanboi, please point to the post where I am "pretending" my needs are the needs of the entire community and where I feel bad. If you are going to make accusations, you should probably make sure they are factual first;)
 
Believe it or not, but some people actually have the money.

Lot's of us have the money, but chose not to buy this MBP.

MacBook Pro premium price tags in the past have been worth it and I've paid it. This product however is just NOT in comparison to the current competition and its disadvantages when it comes to GPU, Ports and Spec especially considering these things aren't made to be user upgradeable anymore. the price tag and extras you have to purchase to work with it just aren't worth it in my opinion and a lot of others.
 
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you're whining because apple didn't cater to your specific needs, how adorable. you must know best.

Really? You think I'm the only one in the world who has gotten used to a built-in SD card reader? Or the only one with a bunch of USB 3.0 devices? If those needs were so specific, I'd be the only one complaining, wouldn't I?
 
The point is, we don't just need it these days, we have needed it since the beginning of time. In fact, by using USB-C, we now have a situation where for the first time in Mac laptop history, charging is not done with a proprietary connector.

yeah, but in the same time iPhone 7 Plus needs a dongle, SD card needs a dongle, HDMI needs a dongle, Apple new headphones needs a dongle, any USB3 HDD/SDD needs a dongle...

Dongle you Life :D
 
yeah, but in the same time iPhone 7 Plus needs a dongle, SD card needs a dongle, HDMI needs a dongle, Apple new headphones needs a dongle, any USB3 HDD/SDD needs a dongle...

Dongle you Life :D
Great point. And if we shouldn't really be concerned about how much money the dongle costs because it isn't a lot of money, why doesn't App$e just throw them in since they are so "inexpensive"?
 
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