Apple Has Received More Online Orders for New MacBook Pro Than Any Previous Generation

[MyopicPaideia]

This is exactly my point, and thank you for making it (while still disagreeing with me somehow). If the machine doesn't do what you want, you have options - you can switch to another platform or buy old models. If Apple is truly underestimating the possible market share here, then we will see that in their share prices. You could absolutely be correct and they could be pushed out of the laptop market - but we won't know until we see.

While I don't agree that that is the real outrage that's been expressed in this thread (most of the outrage I see is about a removed SD card and the switch to USB-C) I don't disagree with your statement here. This is not a replacement for a full-on desktop environment, and shouldn't be marketed as such. It's a portable workstation, which is why it's thinner and lighter with a focus on battery life. Apple should absolutely update its desktop line for those users who need a performant desktop machine.

For me that's the biggest problem. The laptop is more expensive than the desktop option right now. I mean, maxing out a 27" 5k iMac is around $1,000 cheaper than buy a new maxed out 15" MBP, and around the exact same price as a new maxed out 13" MBP. Is this not wierd to anyone else???

 

[js09]

Really? You think I'm the only one in the world who has gotten used to a built-in SD card reader? Or the only one with a bunch of USB 3.0 devices? If those needs were so specific, I'd be the only one complaining, wouldn't I?

"apple you should keep the sd card forever cuz.. people got used to it! ignore the fact that you can transfer everything wirelessly or that you can hook up a $5 usb3 cable directly, just focus on me and my needs. ignore those that need micro-sd or CF slots, or those that just use their phone's for photos.. only focus on me and my needs or else i will rage. i know what's best for the industry. i'm also forced to buy apple products and have no other oprions if i dislike."

bro, you're missing the big picture

 

[apusateri]

Mr. Fanboi, please point to the post where I am "pretending" my needs are the needs of the entire community and where I feel bad. If you are going to make accusations, you should probably make sure they are factual first

I honestly don't know why I'm feeding the trolls at this point. Yeah, sorry, I thought you were the original person I responded to, not someone who jumped into the conversation to call me a fanboi. But you keep on with the negativity, bro, whatever helps you sleep at night. Good luck in all your future endeavors.

 

[pier]

The fact that Schiller felt compelled to make this statement is an indication that Apple is playing defense.

My thoughts exactly. The interview was just a PR charade.

Apple made a serious mistake.

 

[apusateri]

For me that's the biggest problem. The laptop is more expensive than the desktop option right now. I mean, maxing out a 27" 5k iMac is around $1,000 cheaper than buy a new maxed out 15" MBP, and around the exact same price as a new maxed out 13" MBP. Is this not wierd to anyone else???

Definitely weird. I'd imagine (hope?) that this is because they're going to be updating the desktop line in the near future, but nothing seems certain when it comes to those computers at this point.

 

[dwsolberg]

- deleted - not productive

 

[xmonkey]

yeah, but in the same time iPhone 7 Plus needs a dongle, SD card needs a dongle, HDMI needs a dongle, Apple new headphones needs a dongle, any USB3 HDD/SDD needs a dongle...

Dongle you Life

You don't need a clunky dongle for all of those things. You need a cable (just like you always needed a cable anyways). It just happens to be a different kind of cable now.

iPhone doesn't need a dongle, HDMI doesn't need a dongle, USB3 HDD doesn't need a dongle. All of those things can be directly hooked up with a cable. No SD slot means you need a reader, not really a dongle, and the reader would let you use other kinds of memory cards as well. I'll give you the Lightning headphones, though. Apple needs to ditch Lightning, ASAP.

For me that's the biggest problem. The laptop is more expensive than the desktop option right now. I mean, maxing out a 27" 5k iMac is around $1,000 cheaper than buy a new maxed out 15" MBP, and around the exact same price as a new maxed out 13" MBP. Is this not wierd to anyone else???

I don't think it's weird. You're paying for the ability to have mobile computer power. You can't just up and take your iMac with you on the go.

That being said, I do think Apple priced the new MBPs a bit too high.

 

[MyopicPaideia]

OR, one could just buy a single USB-C to USB-A adapter and use ALL the old adapter you already have for USB, OR you could get a single multi-adapter and you can then use everything you could before.

If you are buying multiple adapters for every single separate old port, you are doing it wrong. The whole point is that the physical USB Type-C connector will become the defacto standard in the industry. Every new peripheral will connect via that connector within a couple of years time.

In the mean time, and for legacy stuff (Yes, I am calling it legacy stuff, get over it), you all should be getting only one or two adapters/dongles, depending on your needs:

1. A Thunderbolt 3 to USB-A adapter
2. A Thunderbolt 3 to Thunderbolt 2 adapter

1. Will let you use every single old USB-A dongle you already have, while 2. will let you use every single Thunderbolt 2 / Mini Display Port adapter you already have. Done.

Current rMB users like myself do not actually have this option because while a Thunderbolt 3 to USB-A adapter will allow USB 3.1 connections, 2015 and 2016 rMB's do not have Thunderbolt and thus no Thunderbolt 3 to Thunderbolt 2 / Mini Display port adapters will work in any case. I expect this to be rectified with Kaby Lake and its CPU integrated Thunderbolt 3 controller, making Thunderbolt feasible in the rMB.

 

[gregoryalee]

I honestly don't know why I'm feeding the trolls at this point. Yeah, sorry, I thought you were the original person I responded to, not someone who jumped into the conversation to call me a fanboi. But you keep on with the negativity, bro, whatever helps you sleep at night. Good luck in all your future endeavors.

Troll? Woo! I call them like a see them. If you didn't appear to have blind allegiance to a company I wouldn't have labeled you with the F word. I love fender stratocasters and I might be labeled a fanboi, but I don't get defensive when people point out what might be better options. You appear to do so with Apple. You might do well for yourself by opening your mind and seeing what kind of other options there are.

On another subject I found it humorous that a 3.5" headphone jack is now a "professional" feature after all the fanboi justifications of the iphone losing the jack. I guess the iPhone is no longer a professional device. Maybe they will come out with the iPhone Pro so that professionals get the jack back?

 

[redheeler]

In the mean time, and for legacy stuff (Yes, I am calling it legacy stuff, get over it)

I didn't know the iPhone 7 and 7 Plus, as well as thousands of current USB-A devices, count as legacy stuff. In fact, by definition they can't, because these products have not been superseded.

Next time I suggest you choose your words better, instead of asking people to "get over it".

 

[gregoryalee]

I didn't know the iPhone 7 and 7 Plus, as well as thousands of current USB-A devices, count as legacy stuff. In fact, by definition they can't, because these products have not been superseded.

Next time I suggest you choose your words better, instead of asking people to "get over it".

Oh you are talking about the non-professional iPhone!

 

[melendezest]

A configuration that is unnatural and uncomfortable. I don't see how you are going to refute my opinion by posting a device configuration I don't own or support.

But please, keep trying.

Sure thing.

It was not clear to me you were expressing an opinion previously. That is irrefutable.

My mistake. Incidentally, their rationale sounded almost exactly like your opinion, so forgive me for connecting the two.

That said, this is all moot, because it just so happens that Apple agrees with your opinion on the Mac side, and disagrees with you on the iPad side.

Thus the true point of my post: Apple was contradicting itself when presenting the rationale behind not offering a touchscreen Mac, and then making a big deal of the iPad Keyboard while not offering mouse support for it (forcing the iPad user into an "unnatural and uncomfortable" use-case scenario).

Can we at least agree on that fact, then?

 

[ateslik]

OR, one could just buy

OR you could get

you can then use everything you could before.

you all should be getting

1. Will let you use every single old USB-A dongle you already have

2. will let you use every single Thunderbolt 2 / Mini Display Port adapter you already have.

You do not know what I have now or what I had before. You do not know what I needed then or what I need now. You have a huge ego to assume you know these things and can command others accordingly. Your way is not the Only Right Way.

Most importantly, you may not tell me how to spend my money or what to think.

 

[Pentium]

You don't need a clunky dongle for all of those things. You need a cable (just like you always needed a cable anyways). It just happens to be a different kind of cable now.

iPhone doesn't need a dongle, HDMI doesn't need a dongle, USB3 HDD doesn't need a dongle. All of those things can be directly hooked up with a cable. No SD slot means you need a reader, not really a dongle, and the reader would let you use other kinds of memory cards as well. I'll give you the Lightning headphones, though. Apple needs to ditch Lightning, ASAP.


I don't think it's weird. You're paying for the ability to have mobile computer power. You can't just up and take your iMac with you on the go.

That being said, I do think Apple priced the new MBPs a bit too high.

so it's okay to release an iPhone in the same month can't be connected to latest MacBook Pro? and what If I want to charge the iPhone? so I need two cables or one cable and a dongle...
Why using Lightening in the 7/7+ and include a weird lightening headphones and a dongle if they were planning to go USB-C as standard?
SD Card reader is essential for me and it's actually bigger than any dongle (I use my DSLR alot, and I always swipe photos easily)
I have plenty of stuff requiring dongles in my setup, which include another desktop, so it's either twin cables for everything or one cable with a dongle...

I understand Apple passion to adapt new technologies, but look how messy they are right now, and the funny part the new MacBook Pro has a headphone jack!
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Great point. And if we shouldn't really be concerned about how much money the dongle costs because it isn't a lot of money, why doesn't App$e just throw them in since they are so "inexpensive"?

200$ total for me to get everything working again!

 

[manu chao]

For me that's the biggest problem. The laptop is more expensive than the desktop option right now. I mean, maxing out a 27" 5k iMac is around $1,000 cheaper than buy a new maxed out 15" MBP, and around the exact same price as a new maxed out 13" MBP. Is this not wierd to anyone else???

I count $4300 for a maxed out 15" MBP (2.9 GHz, 2 TB, Radeon 460) and $4000 for a maxed out 27" iMac (4 GHz, 32 GB, 32 GB, 1 TB SSD, Radeon M395X).

If you put them on even keel in the RAM and SSD department, you get $3500 for the MBP and $3600 for the iMac. That 2 TB SSD really tips the scales in regard to price.

 

[gregoryalee]

I understand Apple passion to adapt new technologies, but look how messy they are right now, and the funny part the new MacBook Pro has a headphone jack!
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200$ total for me to get everything working again!

Their justification for getting rid of the headphone jack on the iPhone was just blasted out of the water by this statement:
“These are pro machines. If it was just about headphones then it doesn’t need to be there; we believe that wireless is a great solution for headphones. But many users have setups with studio monitors, amps, and other pro audio gear that do not have wireless solutions and need the 3.5mm jack.”

Oh and for you "Wireless is the future" people, studios will NEVER record with wireless devices.

 

[Pentium]

Their justification for getting rid of the headphone jack on the iPhone was just blasted out of the water by this statement:
“These are pro machines. If it was just about headphones then it doesn’t need to be there; we believe that wireless is a great solution for headphones. But many users have setups with studio monitors, amps, and other pro audio gear that do not have wireless solutions and need the 3.5mm jack.”

Oh and for you "Wireless is the future" people, studios will NEVER record with wireless devices.

yeah but they can use a dongle USB-C to headphone jack

 

[manu chao]

so it's okay to release an iPhone in the same month can't be connected to latest MacBook Pro? and what If I want to charge the iPhone? so I need two cables or one cable and a dongle...

You actually need two cables to charge an iPhone and a MagSafe Mac. You'll also need two cables to charge an iPhone and USB-C Mac. But you then can also charge the iPhone with the Mac power brick.

Why using Lightening in the 7/7+ and include a weird lightening headphones and a dongle if they were planning to go USB-C as standard?

For once because they have to piss off somebody: Either people with Lightning accessories (if the iPhone went USB-C) or people with a USB-C Mac (who need a new cable and cannot use the bundled headphones). You can do the math, there are many more iPhone users than Mac users. And secondly because Lightning is superior to USB-C on a phone because it is smaller and more robust.

And if you ask about the headphone port itself, removing gains a noticeable increase in battery volume in the iPhone whereas on MBPs that gained volume would be much smaller in relative terms. And Macs are more likely to be used by higher end audio recording, cutting and mixing software.

 

[gregoryalee]

And if you ask about the headphone port itself, removing gains a noticeable increase in battery volume in the iPhone whereas on MBPs that gained volume would be much smaller in relative terms. And Macs are more likely to be used by higher end audio recording, cutting and mixing software.

Battery life is a great justification. You know what would net the most gains with battery life? Yep App$e losing the sexual-esque obsession with thinness and give us a much bigger battery.

Iphones are used by audio professionals as a way to check the final mix on tracks as their work will be listened to by iPhone users.

Use cases people. Look up the term

 

[Pentium]

You actually need two cables to charge an iPhone and a MagSafe Mac. You'll also need two cables to charge an iPhone and USB-C Mac. But you then can also charge the iPhone with the Mac power brick.


For once because they have to piss off somebody: Either people with Lightning accessories (if the iPhone went USB-C) or people with a USB-C Mac (who need a new cable and cannot use the bundled headphones). You can do the math, there are many more iPhone users than Mac users. And secondly because Lightning is superior to USB-C on a phone because it is smaller and more robust.

And if you ask about the headphone port itself, removing gains a noticeable increase in battery volume in the iPhone whereas on MBPs that gained volume would be much smaller in relative terms. And Macs are more likely to be used by higher end audio recording, cutting and mixing software.

your logic regarding to brick does not work, old Mac brick is one piece with the cable, so I will carry it with me anyway, and my 7+ brick is USB-A so I need to carry the cable for it and then I need to carry either a dongle or a 3rd cable to connect my 7+ to the new MacBook, thats what will happen in real world.

Apple pissed off both groups: people with iPhone after removing headphone jack and then people with Mac for making it USB-C only and removing every single port but yet they let the headphone jack here....

I have a 7+ so don't just start talking about battery life increase, they replaced the headphone jack with a piece of plastic and even the other speaker in installed from the other side.

SD Card readers, HDMI port also used by professionals out there....

 

[obiwan]

Yep. I'm seriously looking at those machines, especially the Blade Pro 17":

Black unibody aluminium, .88" thick (thinner than my current 17" MBP)
2 PCIe SSDs (up to 2TB combined in RAID 0 !!!)
32GB RAM
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1080 discrete graphics (8GB!!)
Every port currently in wide use (ZERO dongles required, except maybe VGA)
-SDXC
-TB3/USB-c
-3 USB3
-Gbit Ethernet
-HDMI
-Headphone jack (bi-directional)
Oh, yeah, and a 17.3", 4K Touchscreen

It's the cMBP I wish Apple had built, but NEVER will.

It's expensive, but if I'm going to pay a lot, then I might as well get that beautiful beast. I think it's a better value than the seriously overpriced MBP15.

Thank God that the competition is thinking of me (and those like me).

If someone works how to run that thing as a Hackintosh, I'm sure quite a few people would jump ship straight away. MacOS is a big reason by people stick to the Apple platform - but these days they seem to be giving us less and less reasons to stay.

 

[xmonkey]

so it's okay to release an iPhone in the same month can't be connected to latest MacBook Pro?

I already agree with you. I said Apple needs to drop Lightning ASAP if Macs are going to rely on USB-C.

If you ask me the only reason Apple hasn't used USB-C on the iPhone is because several years ago when they wanted a smaller connector to make the phones slimmer USB-C was not ready yet, so Apple had to improvise with Lightning and now we're left in the current awkward ecosystem situation.

and what If I want to charge the iPhone? so I need two cables or one cable and a dongle...

What? No, you really just need one thing: a Lightning to USB-C cable. Not 2 cables. Not a dongle. If you want to charge your iPhone with that cable then plug it into your nice new MBP charger (or the laptop itself).

I have plenty of stuff requiring dongles in my setup, which include another desktop, so it's either twin cables for everything or one cable with a dongle...

Sounds like you should invest in a dock. You won't need a ton of new cables or dongles when you're at your desk, just hook up the MBP to the dock with a single USB-C or TB3 cable.

 

[Pentium]

I already agree with you. I said Apple needs to drop Lightning ASAP if Macs are going to rely on USB-C.

If you ask me the only reason Apple hasn't used USB-C on the iPhone is because several years ago when they wanted a smaller connector to make the phones slimmer USB-C was not ready yet, so Apple had to improvise with Lightning and now we're left in the current awkward ecosystem situation.


What? No, you really just need one thing: a Lightning to USB-C cable. Not 2 cables. Not a dongle. If you want to charge your iPhone with that cable then plug it into your nice new MBP charger (or the laptop itself).


Sounds like you should invest in a dock. You won't need a ton of new cables or dongles when you're at your desk, just hook up the MBP to the dock with a single USB-C or TB3 cable.

I bought the iPhone 7 Plus without thinking, and I'm happy with it all what I mean that every time I need to take the power brick with me I need the USB-A cable and every time I need to charge/connect to Mac I need the USB-C cable...in real world u need both with u most of the time....

I thought of a dock, then I decided to skip this new MacBook Pro entirely, I will wait for early 2017 to see what will happen...I'm really considering Dell XPS 15 (the 2017 version)

 

[grad]

Users:

1) Only (non-upgradable) 16GB RAM ? And this is supposed to be the new workstation ?
2) The CPU/GPU is still weak vs cheaper PC products and completely sucks against ANY desktop. And the BTO options are, as usual, too pricey for what they offer.
3) Are you kidding with these prices (especially in the non-USA world) ?
4) Crippled Thunderbolt ports ? WTF ?
5) Where have the rest of the ports gone ? Do I need to buy like 5 more adapters (ideally from Apple, at Apple prices, the cheap ones at Amazon are fake/dangerous) in order to connect a bloody USB stick while at the same time charging the laptop and giving a presentation (and so on) ?
6) WiFi is a joke vs wired Ethernet. Also, are we supposed to buy a WiFi camera now as well ?
7) The new butterfly-mechanism keyboard still sucks.
8) Where is the MagSafe ?
9) Nice gimmick the new touch bar. Many people, e.g. programmers, would still prefer real buttons. And what about privacy ?
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47) No Power Adapter Extension Cable but you sell one for $20 ?
48) No backlit Apple logo.
49) No startup sound.
50) No SD Card slot.


Phil Schiller:

"SD Card is cumbersome. Next month I will speak about the startup sound".


You have to "love" Apple's arrogance. I wouldn't be surprised if they come up with a "16GB is enough for every (pro or not) user". Well, 640k didn't bother Bill Gates selling millions of (terrible) machines to (stupid) people, so I guess they are in the right path.

 

[R99_Photography]

Definitely weird. I'd imagine (hope?) that this is because they're going to be updating the desktop line in the near future, but nothing seems certain when it comes to those computers at this point.

Really agree with you. At the moment, an iMac 27" 5k is the best choice compared than he new MacBook Pro... About same price but a way far powerful machine. Anyway, this is true (and weird) only because they are machines born in different generations. I guess the next iMac will see a 30% price increase as seen for the new MacBook. So at that moment, it will weird no more.