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I bought the iPhone 7 Plus without thinking, and I'm happy with it all what I mean that every time I need to take the power brick with me I need the USB-A cable and every time I need to charge/connect to Mac I need the USB-C cable...in real world u need both with u most of the time....

I thought of a dock, then I decided to skip this new MacBook Pro entirely, I will wait for early 2017 to see what will happen...I'm really considering Dell XPS 15 (the 2017 version)
With specific regard to the iPhone, really we should be ditching the cable entirely for syncing and use Wifi sync :) https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT203075

This way you don't even need to buy a USB-C cable for it at all ;)
 
With specific regard to the iPhone, really we should be ditching the cable entirely for syncing and use Wifi sync :) https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT203075

This way you don't even need to buy a USB-C cable for it at all ;)

If it worked, that might be an option. And if it worked at a decent speed, allowed for file transfer, etc.

It's not a wireless world, and it's not going to be anytime soon.
 
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If someone works how to run that thing as a Hackintosh, I'm sure quite a few people would jump ship straight away. MacOS is a big reason by people stick to the Apple platform - but these days they seem to be giving us less and less reasons to stay.

Agreed.

But I'm so sick of the disappointment on ALL Apple fronts that I will not care. I'm leavin' (already half-way there since I left iOS when IOS 7 came out).

I need to look into all the flavors of Linux out there and see which is the most Mac-like and use that.
 
You don't need a clunky dongle for all of those things. You need a cable (just like you always needed a cable anyways). It just happens to be a different kind of cable now.

iPhone doesn't need a dongle, HDMI doesn't need a dongle, USB3 HDD doesn't need a dongle. All of those things can be directly hooked up with a cable. No SD slot means you need a reader, not really a dongle, and the reader would let you use other kinds of memory cards as well. I'll give you the Lightning headphones, though. Apple needs to ditch Lightning, ASAP.


I don't think it's weird. You're paying for the ability to have mobile computer power. You can't just up and take your iMac with you on the go.

That being said, I do think Apple priced the new MBPs a bit too high.

Um, HDMI, USB3 HD, VGA all need dongles. I haven't seen a direct C to any of those cables.
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Sounds like you should invest in a dock. You won't need a ton of new cables or dongles when you're at your desk, just hook up the MBP to the dock with a single USB-C or TB3 cable.

So we're going to take the dock with us to visit customers? Sorry, but we never know what infrastructure they'll have on-site, so we have to be able to plug into anything.
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What most people dont understand is: The "Pro" world is not all Photographers and Video-Editors that need 64gb ram machines. I work in advertising, we are 160+ people, everyone in here is using either a mbp or a imac. We got art directors, content developers, copywriters, software developers and everything else you need for a ad-agency to run. These are professionals too, you know?

Granted, but those are not the ONLY people either. Apple should have made these models the 13 and 15" macbook options.

But then again this is the company that released a non-expandable trashcan as a 'pro' machine, and hasn't bothered to update it in years. It's all form over function.

Fundamentally apple now has a hole in their product lineup - the performance portable. If they're not going to close it, it'd be nice to know, and we'll mourn MacOS and go back to Windows (after more than a decade). If they are going to close it, they need to do so damn soon - not wait until next fall.

If they're smart, they'll take the 2015 form factors, drop in Kaby lake with a 64GB option and big battery and release it early next year - call it the Max, or Performance, or whatever.
 
your logic regarding to brick does not work, old Mac brick is one piece with the cable, so I will carry it with me anyway,
In terms of taking up space in your bag, it doesn't matter whether the brick and cable is one piece or two pieces. Except in your logic that difference seems to matter.

And my 7+ brick is USB-A so I need to carry the cable for it and then I need to carry either a dongle or a 3rd cable to connect my 7+ to the new MacBook, thats what will happen in real world.
Or you buy a USB-C brick for you iPhone if you abhor dongles so much. Or as I said, you charge your iPhone with your MBP charger and a USB-C to Lightning cable. There are many options, but note that previously you had three different ports (in this MBP + iPhone scenario): USB-A, Lightning, MagSafe. With the new MBP, you still have three different ports: USB-A, Lightning, USB-C.
Apple pissed off both groups: people with iPhone after removing headphone jack and then people with Mac for making it USB-C only and removing every single port but yet they let the headphone jack here....
You are conflating two different actions (or non-actions): 1) Not replacing Lightning with USB-C on the phone and 2) Removing the headphone jack on the phone.

Of course, removing something without replacing isn't satisfying any group (at least if you look at it only narrowly as a port situation and not looking at the volume gained). It's the first decision that is satisfying one group but annoying another group.
 
Yep. I'm seriously looking at those machines, especially the Blade Pro 17":

Black unibody aluminium, .88" thick (thinner than my current 17" MBP)
2 PCIe SSDs (up to 2TB combined in RAID 0 !!!)
32GB RAM
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1080 discrete graphics (8GB!!)
Every port currently in wide use (ZERO dongles required, except maybe VGA)
-SDXC
-TB3/USB-c
-3 USB3
-Gbit Ethernet
-HDMI
-Headphone jack (bi-directional)
Oh, yeah, and a 17.3", 4K Touchscreen

It's the cMBP I wish Apple had built, but NEVER will.

It's expensive, but if I'm going to pay a lot, then I might as well get that beautiful beast. I think it's a better value than the seriously overpriced MBP15.

Thank God that the competition is thinking of me (and those like me).

Well it's certainly a lot of computer... 3.5KG of it. That's double the weight of the 15" rMBP. LOL.
 
With specific regard to the iPhone, really we should be ditching the cable entirely for syncing and use Wifi sync :) https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT203075

This way you don't even need to buy a USB-C cable for it at all ;)

tried it once, its slow, I don't stream music and I transfer my data always from the computer...so cable is the only fast and reliable way (at least it's full USB3 transfer rate...)
 
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tried it once, its slow, I don't stream music and I transfer my data always from the computer...so cable is the only fast and reliable way (at least it's full USB3 transfer rate...)
Last time I checked, it doesn't sync the pictures over WiFi.
 
Um, HDMI, USB3 HD, VGA all need dongles. I haven't seen a direct C to any of those cables.
The HDMI integration was only announced two months ago.
So we're going to take the dock with us to visit customers? Sorry, but we never know what infrastructure they'll have on-site, so we have to be able to plug into anything.
And you had to do with regard to VGA since the PowerBook G4 from 2002. And in regard to DVI since the late 2008 MBP. In other words for a very long time.
If they're smart, they'll take the 2015 form factors, drop in Kaby lake with a 64GB option and big battery and release it early next year - call it the Max, or Performance, or whatever.
Since the dawn of time, Apple has managed to get by with having a single 14 or 15" laptop model in terms of case design (the one-year parallel shipping of 2012 non-retina and retina MBPs notwithstanding). For most if not all of the time there were beefier 15"-ish laptops available from other vendors (there certainly were thicker and heavier 15"-ish laptops available all this time, this was much less so true for thinner and lighter 15" laptops).

So, you would say, the moment the single the 15" Mac laptop offered by Apple doesn't fit your needs, Apple should start offering multiple 15" models? Because that is what you are saying, Apple should offer multiple 15" models? But why now, and not before?
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Last time I checked, it doesn't sync the pictures over WiFi.
That would be news to me. WiFi sync has always synced the same things as direct sync for me, including multiple GB-large movies.
 
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In terms of taking up space in your bag, it doesn't matter whether the brick and cable is one piece or two pieces. Except in your logic that difference seems to matter.


Or you buy a USB-C brick for you iPhone if you abhor dongles so much. Or as I said, you charge your iPhone with your MBP charger and a USB-C to Lightning cable. There are many options, but note that previously you had three different ports (in this MBP + iPhone scenario): USB-A, Lightning, MagSafe. With the new MBP, you still have three different ports: USB-A, Lightning, USB-C.

You are conflating two different actions (or non-actions): 1) Not replacing Lightning with USB-C on the phone and 2) Removing the headphone jack on the phone.

Of course, removing something without replacing isn't satisfying any group (at least if you look at it only narrowly as a port situation and not looking at the volume gained). It's the first decision that is satisfying one group but annoying another group.

of course, cause I don't have to buy $1000 phone and then run to buy cables and new bricks in order to make my phone compatible with its own company computer...

Having more ports is exactly what I need which new MacBook does not have, I'm not conflating anything u told me they need to piss off one group of people and I'm telling you that they managed to piss everyone off :D

moving forward is something great, but they are not doing it the right way at Apple these days :)

that's why I decided to wait.
 
Um, HDMI, USB3 HD, VGA all need dongles. I haven't seen a direct C to any of those cables.
HDMI: https://www.amazon.com/CHOETECH-Thu...&qid=1478211070&sr=1-4&keywords=usb-c+to+hdmi (and better ones will be coming)

USB3 HDD (and Card readers): http://www.monoprice.com/product?p_id=14853

VGA: Needs to die. Most new PC laptops don't even come with these anymore so you're SOL on PCs too. Needing a dongle for VGA is hardly some kind of new problem caused by Apple here.

Browse some more single cable solutions here if you'd like... http://www.monoprice.com/pages/usb_31_type_c

So we're going to take the dock with us to visit customers? Sorry, but we never know what infrastructure they'll have on-site, so we have to be able to plug into anything.
I don't know, I guess that all depends on what you need and you're being awfully vague here. If your clients need a bazillion ports when you go to them then ya I guess you'd need a dock. We can go back and forth on hypothetical I/O scenarios all day.
 
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If it worked, that might be an option. And if it worked at a decent speed, allowed for file transfer, etc.

It's not a wireless world, and it's not going to be anytime soon.
I haven't plugged my iPhone into my laptop for over 3 years now. Fact. I use google drive also, so my world is basically wireless. Just wish wireless charging was widespread
 
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For me that's the biggest problem. The laptop is more expensive than the desktop option right now. I mean, maxing out a 27" 5k iMac is around $1,000 cheaper than buy a new maxed out 15" MBP, and around the exact same price as a new maxed out 13" MBP. Is this not wierd to anyone else???
Nothing weird about that, maxed out MBPs have always been more expensive than a maxed out iMac.
 
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I'm a really loyal apple fan, but I'm also a rational person. For the first time, I hopelessly fell apple really messed up this round of release. I think apple's problem is getting unmanageable.

Tim can be a great COO and a VP of supply chain, but he is not and he will never become the brain and heart of Apple.

What apple needs is not time, not patient from customers, not fancy marketing, but a visionary who is competent enough to envision and guide Apple in next 50 years. Someone who can sell products in simple plain paper envelopes. Someone who can define the future of computing while presenting products that seamlessly transitions from the past industry standards. Someone who lust engineering perfection in products while understanding business economics. Someone who is a system builder that integrates all the service and products within the Ecosystem to provide an ease of mind for customers (starting by allowing iPhones to be plugged into Macbooks, Apple ear pods to be plugged into Macs, Mac standard USB-c to be plugged into IOS devices). Someone who leads, someone who creates, someone who can be the center of Apple - the Apple core, just like Steve.

Apple's outcome today was theorized by Steve decades ago. You can skip to 25:44s to see Steve's explanation of the fall of a great company or watch the entire interview. Link is here ---https://youtu.be/TRZAJY23xio?t=25m44s


My deepest condolences to Apple - once a miracle of greatness, no longer.
 
That's rich... You're saying someone who chooses to buy an MBA, because it happens to be an excellent tool for someone's needs does is poor and could not possibly have $$$$ available for other tech. Wow! Smells like projection to me.
You missed the mark.
Since we are talking new hardware, there is only the pro now. You can get it with or without the touch. So if someone is buying a new computer why would they buy old hardware? If to save money then you defeat your argument. Also, does the old MBA drive two 5k monitors? So then buy the low end new pro. Why? Weight no longer an issue. Couldn't be for money according to you.
Catching on yet?
 
Sure thing.

It was not clear to me you were expressing an opinion previously. That is irrefutable.

My mistake. Incidentally, their rationale sounded almost exactly like your opinion, so forgive me for connecting the two.

That said, this is all moot, because it just so happens that Apple agrees with your opinion on the Mac side, and disagrees with you on the iPad side.

Thus the true point of my post: Apple was contradicting itself when presenting the rationale behind not offering a touchscreen Mac, and then making a big deal of the iPad Keyboard while not offering mouse support for it (forcing the iPad user into an "unnatural and uncomfortable" use-case scenario).

Can we at least agree on that fact, then?
I'll agree we have opposing viewpoints. Anything else is off topic.
 
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