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Apple Has Two-Year Lead Over Smartphone Rivals in 3D Sensing Race

Mad.Whack said:
If we take samsung as a benchmark
Worked fine on the S6 (2015) after a SW update but not my favorite.
Excellent on the S7, S8 and S9.

Personally until faceID is better than touchID.. who cares?



It's funny that you're implying Touch ID wasn't secure... It's also faster and more convenient. But ya, ok, whatever.
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It's only faster and more convenient when it works and you're not wearing gloves. I can remember TouchID being a pain too. Strengths and weaknesses my man.

Remember kids, FaceID is NOT only a replacement for TouchID. It doesn't just authenticate your phone. FaceID has an underlying technology with far reaching potential and where the industry is heading.

For my purpose and experience, FaceID is already better than TouchID. I dislike using my iPad Pro TouchID in comparison.
 
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citysnaps said:
A problem that doesn't exist? Really.

How does TouchID, on any phone, work when you wear gloves or if your hands are damp/wet?
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How does FaceID work when you're wearing a balaclava and ski goggles? Certain polarized lenses? Duct taped eyes and a burlap sacked head with your hands taped to your ankles while you're being carried on a tree branch... trussed like a deer carcass? How does FaceID work in any of those situations?:rolleyes::D:p
I went turnt up to 11 hyperbole to illustrate we can all come up with scenarios that justify our position. Fact is, when it comes to phone security, FaceID, TouchID, or any biometric locks are all more about convenience than security. As long as the backbone of iOS security is the passcode, the others are merely conveniences. Think about what's tied to that passcode. Both FaceID and TouchID are. So is basically everything in iOS. If FaceID and TouchID went away tomorrow we'd be inconvenienced but okay.
 
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diipii said:
Face recognition is the solution to a problem that doesn't exist.
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My thoughts exactly. Touch ID under the screen is a better solution for phones. Works in horizontal and vertical. If it can't be placed under the screen because technology is not there yet, put the TouchID on a side unlock button, like some Androids have it. Not so hard.

Face recognition would be alright on iMacs or MacBooks however. Ridiculous habit to slim things down, just because, make it hard to place it there though.

Quite funny actually. Face ID is the right solution for the wrong problem.
 
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shk718 said:
every time apple has a lead they end up blowing it. - don't blow this one Apple like you did SIRI!!!!!
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Boy, I'd love to "blow" it like Apple at $52B in net income, the most profitable company in the world, and the largest market cap in history.

BTW, Apple still trades at 1/2 the P/E of MSFT and 1/20 of AMZN.

Once Wallstreet understands Apple is not a hardware company, the multiple will expand to 25 and you'll see a $300 stock and $1.75T-$2T valuation.

Yes, tough times at Apple.
 
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ballyhoo said:
[doublepost=1521544076][/doublepost]Good, 'cause that fingerprint recognition never really worked anyways. Don't even get me started on Siri
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This is an example of why people shouldn't do drugs. When you do drugs, you make crazy statements like this.
 
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Apple also have a 2-year lead on Emojis, however opposite could be said about screens, wireless charging, smaller bezels, and... batteries maybe?.
 
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I love the picture of the model basking in the beautiful faked-up glow of the FaceID emitter. It looks soooo nice.
As someone with an iris nevus being followed by an ophthalmologist for possible conversion to melanoma, I'll have to pass on FaceID and leave the long-term usage risks to all the guinea pigs using it now. I hope it turns out that long-term, frequent, low-level IR laser exposure turns out to be nothing to worry about. I'd rather just keep using TouchID.
 
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My Mac unlocking with my Apple Watch impresses me. Easily impressed I’ve been told.:cool:
 
Apple has at least a TEN year lead over other smartphones in ALL respects, end of story. I've used every Android phone under the sun, am EXTREMELY detail-aware, and find ALL Android phones to be lacking or not fit for purpose in at least a handful of ways, and usually exponentially more than that. I currently have the new Nokia 3, Nokia 5, Moto G4 and Huawei P8 Lite 2017 (which I wouldn't want my worst enemy to be put through owning!) and they all SEVERELY lack competence and the fluidity and "inevitability" of iOS devices.
 
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Uh oh! Does this mean the end for TouchID?!? What's gonna happen to the TouchID loyalists that even other phone makers will be using 3D sensing features? Will they keep the fingerprint based security AND facial rec? How much more are they willing to pay to have both tech on their phone? Not looking good for TouchID loyalists.
 
Nikiaf said:
FaceID was the solution to a problem that didn't exist to begin with. TouchID was so good that I started actually putting passwords on my phone for the first time. But rather than finish development of an under-display fingerprint sensor, they abandoned it and rushed this weird facial recognition thing. It makes sense in a laptop since you have to be facing the display (Windows Hello is very well executed); but it makes so much less sense in a laptop. What if I just want to keep my phone on a table and check my notifications?
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"It makes sense in a laptop....but it makes so much less sense in a laptop"o_O
 
MrBat said:
My thoughts exactly. Touch ID under the screen is a better solution for phones. Works in horizontal and vertical. If it can't be placed under the screen because technology is not there yet, put the TouchID on a side unlock button, like some Androids have it. Not so hard.

Face recognition would be alright on iMacs or MacBooks however. Ridiculous habit to slim things down, just because, make it hard to place it there though.

Quite funny actually. Face ID is the right solution for the wrong problem.
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No it’s not. Having used my X (and my wife/kids with theirs) for some time now I’d never go back to TouchID. FaceID is just so seamless in so many scenarios.

Each system has their advantages, but overall FaceID is superior. By the time others incorporate their first gen under-display readers or FaceID clones Apple will be on their second generation version of FaceID and never looking back.
 
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my face id has never worked like the photo, i need to be much more inline with the phone for it to work
 
redshifted said:
I love the picture of the model basking in the beautiful faked-up glow of the FaceID emitter. It looks soooo nice.
As someone with an iris nevus being followed by an ophthalmologist for possible conversion to melanoma, I'll have to pass on FaceID and leave the long-term usage risks to all the guinea pigs using it now. I hope it turns out that long-term, frequent, low-level IR laser exposure turns out to be nothing to worry about. I'd rather just keep using TouchID.
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You know that TouchID removes a small bit of your fingerprint with each scan, right? Pretty soon you won’t have fingerprints and then where will you be?
 
"Apple has gained a two-year lead over its rivals in the smartphone industry in the area of 3D sensing technology...."

but a two-year lag in the area of smart voice assistant technology.
 
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marco114 said:
my face id has never worked like the photo, i need to be much more inline with the phone for it to work
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I have tried this as well and has never unlocked my phone this way. It's misleading to say the least but not the biggest deal.
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deanthedev said:
No it’s not. Having used my X (and my wife/kids with theirs) for some time now I’d never go back to TouchID. FaceID is just so seamless in so many scenarios.

Each system has their advantages, but overall FaceID is superior. By the time others incorporate their first gen under-display readers or FaceID clones Apple will be on their second generation version of FaceID and never looking back.
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I agree. After a few weeks with my X and using my iPad Pro with TouchID, I find it very arachaic to be even unlocking it with my fingerprint. I suppose once you get used to an even more convenient and secure way to unlock your device, you'd want it across the board. I can't wait for FaceID iPad Pro. I can't say that about MacBooks though, with the webcam potentially being hacked and all, maybe that's just me.
 
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Apple has gained a two-year lead over its rivals in the smartphone industry in the area of 3D sensing technology, according to a new report on Tuesday.

Following talks with three major parts suppliers, Reuters estimates that Android phone makers will have to wait until 2019 to duplicate the 3D sensing feature behind Apple's Face ID security, which debuted last year in the iPhone X.

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Android producers are reportedly struggling to source vertical-cavity surface-emitting lasers, or VCSELs, a key component of Apple's TrueDepth camera that the company moved to secure supplies of last year. In December, Apple said it planned to invest $390 million in Finisar Corp, which supplies the components for VCSELs.

Apple said the investment would enable Finisar to exponentially increase its R&D spending and high-volume production of VCSELs, which power some of the iPhone's X flagship features, such as Face ID, Animoji and Portrait mode selfies, as well as the proximity-sensing capabilities of AirPods.

According to Reuters' sources, Apple was initially sourcing VCSELs chiefly from California-based Lumentum, and it was bottlenecks in production there last year that also spurred the $390 million deal with Finisar.

Meanwhile, Lumentum, which declined to comment on the report, is ramping up additional manufacturing capacity for VCSELs and edge-emitting lasers for the first half of fiscal 2019, according to the company's earnings call.

Another producer, Austria-based Ams, also expects to have VCSEL chips widely available next year and says it has won a large deal with one phone maker.

Viavi, the only major supplier of optical filters needed for the 3D sensing modules, believes only one Android handset maker will deliver 3D sensing by the end of the calendar year, but volumes are likely to be very low. The company expects at least two more Android-based phones to follow that trend in 2019.

According to a report in October by KGI Securities analyst Ming-Chi Kuo, inquiries by Android smartphone vendors into 3D-sensing technologies tripled after Apple unveiled its TrueDepth camera and Face ID technology, which will likely replace traditional Touch ID fingerprint recognition in future iOS devices.

Apple is reportedly working on a new high-end 2018 iPad that will adopt many of the design elements from the revamped iPhone X, including built-in support for Face ID. The new tablet device, which is likely to be a "Pro" model, will reportedly do away with the Home button.

Article Link: Apple Has Two-Year Lead Over Smartphone Rivals in 3D Sensing Race
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kruegdude said:
You know that TouchID removes a small bit of your fingerprint with each scan, right? Pretty soon you won’t have fingerprints and then where will you be?
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Sounds like a great plot line for a future Columbo reboot episode :cool:.
"But the murderer had no fingerprints..."
 
69Mustang said:
How does FaceID work when you're wearing a balaclava and ski goggles? Certain polarized lenses? Duct taped eyes and a burlap sacked head with your hands taped to your ankles while you're being carried on a tree branch... trussed like a deer carcass? How does FaceID work in any of those situations?:rolleyes::D:p
I went turnt up to 11 hyperbole to illustrate we can all come up with scenarios that justify our position. Fact is, when it comes to phone security, FaceID, TouchID, or any biometric locks are all more about convenience than security. As long as the backbone of iOS security is the passcode, the others are merely conveniences. Think about what's tied to that passcode. Both FaceID and TouchID are. So is basically everything in iOS. If FaceID and TouchID went away tomorrow we'd be inconvenienced but okay.
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I mentioned issues I regularly have with TouchID. Not hyperbole, for me anyway.
 
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