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Apple Highlights 'iPad-Ready' Web Content
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My iPhone doesn't do flash either, and that's a problem on maybe 1 in ten sites. Flash is everywhere, but it's not half so important as some people make out.
Also, this is the list before the ipad is even out. Compatibility will only get better from here.
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My iPhone doesn't do flash either, and that's a problem on maybe 1 in ten sites. Flash is everywhere, but it's not half so important as some people make out.
Also, this is the list before the ipad is even out. Compatibility will only get better from here.
It's interesting to read people's perspective. Here's mine.
It would have been foolish for any major media outlet to not offer their content on the GREATEST amount of devices as possible. More viewers/readers = more revenue. Period. That's why they are adopting HTML5 quickly. None of these companies are removing their flash - are they? Can anyone of you so quick to say Flash is dead show me where these sites are 100 percent exclusive to HTML5 now? I'm guessing you can't.
Again - the best BUSINESS decision for media companies is to enable their sites to be viewed by anyone and everyone.
Most browsers do not even support html5 (yet). It's not a standard. Yet.
So being smart - and with the deluge of people who will be running around the web - they have ADDED the ability to view their content with the iPad.
I still have to laugh at how quickly people around here feel the need to kill things off. The Kindle, Flash, Netbooks, fill-in-the-blank.
Heaven forbid there are options for people - and even worse - they aren't created or supported by Apple. Enjoy the bubble.
It would have been foolish for any major media outlet to not offer their content on the GREATEST amount of devices as possible. More viewers/readers = more revenue. Period. That's why they are adopting HTML5 quickly. None of these companies are removing their flash - are they? Can anyone of you so quick to say Flash is dead show me where these sites are 100 percent exclusive to HTML5 now? I'm guessing you can't.
Again - the best BUSINESS decision for media companies is to enable their sites to be viewed by anyone and everyone.
Most browsers do not even support html5 (yet). It's not a standard. Yet.
So being smart - and with the deluge of people who will be running around the web - they have ADDED the ability to view their content with the iPad.
I still have to laugh at how quickly people around here feel the need to kill things off. The Kindle, Flash, Netbooks, fill-in-the-blank.
Heaven forbid there are options for people - and even worse - they aren't created or supported by Apple. Enjoy the bubble.
I have no problem with options. I have a problem with Flash because it makes my two year old Macbook dead slow.
12 major sites BEFORE the iPad is even released? Some people like to find the negative in everything.
That's ironic since this thread is about killing flash. Some people like to skew whatever they read into a declaration that doesn't exist.
Damn, don't give me another reason to upgrade my iPhone 3G
If you can hold on wait till June.
I wonder if there's anyway I can see the HTML5 version of those sites on my Macbook. Flash makes my Macbook close to unusable sometimes...
This thread isn't about killing Flash. I started it to show people how wrong they were when they said the iPad was a joke because it didn't support Flash. I don't care what happens to Flash, I just want alternatives because Flash is crap.
This thread isn't about killing Flash. I started it to show people how wrong they were when they said the iPad was a joke because it didn't support Flash. I don't care what happens to Flash, I just want alternatives because Flash is crap.
Apple should be praised for not supporting flash
Can you stop knocking Apple for not supporting Macromedia/Adobe Flash, Apple are doing the world a great service. Flash is not a standard, it is a proprietary piece of software that has been replaced by IW3C standards for years. It should have been killed off by SVG but Adobe have kept it breathing, if Apple and HTML5 can put the nails in the coffin then great, the sooner Flash websites stop wasting our time the better!
Can you stop knocking Apple for not supporting Macromedia/Adobe Flash, Apple are doing the world a great service. Flash is not a standard, it is a proprietary piece of software that has been replaced by IW3C standards for years. It should have been killed off by SVG but Adobe have kept it breathing, if Apple and HTML5 can put the nails in the coffin then great, the sooner Flash websites stop wasting our time the better!
As usual you've turned the argument from one thing into another, when it's simply not.
The POV of these posts are to demonstrate how useful and compatible the iPad is with a wonderful, universal (or at least functionally universal - by which I mean for 9x% of the people 9x% of the time) browsing experience.
IOW: a direct counter argument to "the iPad blows because it doesn't have Flash." (and let's not pretend there isn't/wasn't a TON of that sentiment around). It is now pretty much 100% safe to respond by saying "so ****ing what?" I don't need Flash because 9x% of widely watched web video is now or will soon be viewable on the iPad.
Twisting it into an argument about choice - as you are wont to do - is simply disingenuous.
And for those who do vote DIE Flash! because it's a buggy, unstable resource hog when used indiscriminantly or programmed in a sloppy manner - which is a separate issue... Are you really so blindly pro Flash that you care? If the Flash fanboy shoe fits...
AND of equal interest...to your point about how 'smart' the media companies are for making the choice to expand their audience to as large a number of devices/people as possible...you state this as if it were completely obvious.
Well, as you know I believe it's always been completely obvious. And yet - how short sighted have the iPad nay sayers been about this? To have argued that the iPad would fail b/c it lacked Flash and thus compatibility with website X was simply ludicrous. "Oh an average person will not understand that it doesn't work with Flash, the average person - the ostensible target audience - will just see a black lego brick and not understand why the device claiming to have the best web browsing experience simply doesn't work."
In fact I remember more or less that exact statement coming from you on numerous occasions. And yet now it's completely obvious that MSM has made the choices they have?
Tuesday morning quarterback...you've arrived.
Anthony - there's no need to namecall - twice. It's beneath you. You want to remember every post you and I have made - let's recall all the posts that others have made about flash too and throw it on the table. "They" want to kill flash. I am no more pro-flash than I am pro-html5 and visa versa. My issue was never with the technology.
And believe me - if these media sites were slower to roll their option out beyond April 3rd - there WOULD be plenty of people (and there still will be) who are used to going to their sites (maybe less mainstream than CNN for example) and not being able to access their media.
I'm not twisting this around as much as you'd like to pretend or announce to everyone. I think you have a very healthy ego. Your posts here and your musings on your blog are evidence of that. I don't begrudge it. At the same time - there is room enough for everyone to share their opinions here without being relegated to fan boy or the intimation of ulterior motives and agendas. Silly nonsense.
I've been vocal and quite clear about my opinions and am well aware of what I write. Semantics are very important to me in case you haven't noticed. So please don't pretend to know more than me about what I mean or what I've said.
But enough about that because conversations like this are completely fruitless.
It would also be nice if people stopped criticizing Apple for not supporting Flash mainly because APPLE WILL NEVER SUPPORT FLASH.
So all this blather is a waste of time and energy.
So all this blather is a waste of time and energy.
Its like a reverse scarlet lettering... Can Steve really single handedly cripple and ultiamtely kill flash? Adobe should fire whoever pissed him off.
I wonder if there's anyway I can see the HTML5 version of those sites on my Macbook. Flash makes my Macbook close to unusable sometimes...
You can go to the develop menu in Safari and change the browser ID type to mobile safari and it will show it differently. This option is activated in safari preferences.
So why doesn't Apple use HTML 5 then? Why do they force me to use Quicktime when a great alternative, HTML 5, exists?
I avoid sites that use quicktime, as opposed to flash. I'm sorry if you misunderstood me.
Actually, it will be.
What got me so annoyed at Apple is how they complain about how horrid Flash is and promote open standards, yet push people to have Quicktime installed if they want to be able to see Apple videos. When Quicktime runs worse on Windows than Flash does on OS X!
Here's a great picture to illustrate what I mean.
Attachments
Here we go:
http://SugarMtnFarm.com
No Flash!
Works great on the iPad.
See:
http://sugarmtnfarm.com/blog/2010/02/tiny-workspace.html
for early prototype in action.
http://SugarMtnFarm.com
No Flash!
Works great on the iPad.
See:
http://sugarmtnfarm.com/blog/2010/02/tiny-workspace.html
for early prototype in action.
iPad/iPhone Now Supports Flash
This doesn't matter now that Apple has just announced that iPad/iPhone will now support Flash!
http://www.macworld.com.au/iphone/view/apple-introduces-flash-for-iphone-4703
Yeah, I know...
This doesn't matter now that Apple has just announced that iPad/iPhone will now support Flash!
http://www.macworld.com.au/iphone/view/apple-introduces-flash-for-iphone-4703
Yeah, I know...
It is faster on the 3GS, but not as fast as it needs to be. I reckon the iPad is even better speed wise.
Even on the 3GS it is actually silly slow, I just watched the whole video on my Mac and the iPhone is hasn't even gotten to the breaking apart the mage bit yet. I also have noticed that if you let the phone go to sleep it doesn't seem to continue the animations.
Pretty sad
Who cares about video. That really is only a small piece of flash for me.
I develop for both flash and iphone. So sad to think flash is doomed. From the development side it's such a pleasure to work in compared with xcode and objective-c. What a crappy language objective-c is. But hey... it just works right?!?
I make the comparison directly to objective-c because that's how it should be compared. HTML5 is a replacement for flash's video side of things (1% of what flash can do). I would like to see something like this achieved without flash:
http://team.forsvarsmakten.se/english/
or this:
http://forsvar.fileflat.com/english/
or a thousand other incredible flash sites.
What's so sad to me is everyone bashes flash without making the distinction between "Bad Flash" and "Flash is Bad". Most flash crashes are due to poor coding not because the runtime is inherently bad. Crappy banners that hog resources and crash due to poor design and execution should not be blamed on the ground that it stands on. It's analogous to someone bashing the element aluminum because they don't like the trash created by coke cans.
On another note, people don't realize how easy it is to crash your app in objective-c. But because apple has to approve an app, much of the junk is filtered out.
The bottom line is flash competes with the app store. Plain and simple. Not saying flash replaces the need for native apps, but flash would sure replace many of the current apps. The business model for app creation would then move away from upfront purchase therefore killing that huge revenue stream for apple.
Apple gains at the consumers expense on this one. They hold the strings people, the game is rigged and we are all jumping like puppets.
I am by no means in love with flash. It without a doubt has its issues, but my god is it a gift from the heavenly divine holy mother compared to objective-c(rap).
PS: Please don't post this as a flash killer: http://www.cs.helsinki.fi/u/ilmarihe/canvas_animation_demo/mozcampeu09.html
Have you looked at the source that drive that?
Who cares about video. That really is only a small piece of flash for me.
I develop for both flash and iphone. So sad to think flash is doomed. From the development side it's such a pleasure to work in compared with xcode and objective-c. What a crappy language objective-c is. But hey... it just works right?!?
I make the comparison directly to objective-c because that's how it should be compared. HTML5 is a replacement for flash's video side of things (1% of what flash can do). I would like to see something like this achieved without flash:
http://team.forsvarsmakten.se/english/
or this:
http://forsvar.fileflat.com/english/
or a thousand other incredible flash sites.
What's so sad to me is everyone bashes flash without making the distinction between "Bad Flash" and "Flash is Bad". Most flash crashes are due to poor coding not because the runtime is inherently bad. Crappy banners that hog resources and crash due to poor design and execution should not be blamed on the ground that it stands on. It's analogous to someone bashing the element aluminum because they don't like the trash created by coke cans.
On another note, people don't realize how easy it is to crash your app in objective-c. But because apple has to approve an app, much of the junk is filtered out.
The bottom line is flash competes with the app store. Plain and simple. Not saying flash replaces the need for native apps, but flash would sure replace many of the current apps. The business model for app creation would then move away from upfront purchase therefore killing that huge revenue stream for apple.
Apple gains at the consumers expense on this one. They hold the strings people, the game is rigged and we are all jumping like puppets.
I am by no means in love with flash. It without a doubt has its issues, but my god is it a gift from the heavenly divine holy mother compared to objective-c(rap).
PS: Please don't post this as a flash killer: http://www.cs.helsinki.fi/u/ilmarihe/canvas_animation_demo/mozcampeu09.html
Have you looked at the source that drive that?
