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Apple Hires Former Tesla Engineering VP With Expertise in Car Interiors

justme1 said:
I see tons of them here in the Phoenix area
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Tesla is going to have to fix their profitability problem, if nothing else. Plus, competition is going to eat their lunch, in my opinion.
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farewelwilliams said:
it was the best selling luxury car of 2018 in the USA. it's the #1 best selling car in the Netherlands. they only recently started selling international too. what are you smoking?
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Yeah, their unit sales aren’t as bad as I’m making it sound. They just aren’t profitable and are losing tax credits which will impact the value proposition.

I don’t believe in them because the product isn’t selling profitably and is an inferior product to gas cars in many important ways, namely range and price.
 
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SDJim said:
Hurry up and announce a joint venture already, sheesh! :rolleyes:
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Not likely ... especially with Chinese manufacturer backings for the next Gigafactory.

I can gaurantee this is but 1 of MANY reasons Ive was PISSED and jumjped!
- he wanted Watch as a luxury item: newly announced COO wanted Health; we know who one there. And was a smart move yet BOTH could've been valid.
- he wanted the car ... above ALL else (after honoring Jobs' Apple Campus design); that's been on-off again too many times.
 
tothemoonsands said:
I have a theory that the AppleCar, won't be available for consumer purchase, rather, it will be a subscription model like Uber. You will have access to their entire fleet in every city they operate in. All dialed in to perfection within Apple Ecosystem: Summon the vehicle via Siri, input your destination via Apple Maps, play your Apple Music or Apple TV in the car, etc etc.
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That would be a disaster.
 
farewelwilliams said:
Latest MCU? Do you mean HW3? MCU is different from the AP hardware.

Current AP software that's in your car right now is not representative of all the work that the AP and Tesla Vision teams have been working on for the past several years. It only represents a limited subset of functions that Tesla sees as viable for public use. There's probably 2 years worth of features that you have yet to experience because it's not enabled on the current firmware yet. Things like reading parking signs, stop signs, special road markings, path prediction, bike lane detection, street intersection detection, curb detection, parking navigation, and etc...have yet to be made for public use.

My Model 3 works wonders even on the AP2.5 chip and that's only working at half the resolution and limited dynamic range.
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Many are if the opinion that it’ll be very difficult to get to full autonomy without LIDAR. But I haven’t followed the industry much, so I don’t have an opinion on that. I do think it’s probable that Apple is pursuing transportation as a service though, rather than selling cars directly to customers.
 
seatton said:
I cannot wait to see the price of Apple Car Pro. I am sure even if I started saving now I would not be able to afford it.
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Anyone who expects an Apple Car to be under six figures is in for disappointment, I think.
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Edsel said:
They are engineering a subscription model for transportation. Apple, Microsoft, Google, Amazon......all want you to subscribe to their subscription based lifestyle. In the future you won’t own anything. Seriously, this is what they want and it may be what future generations want.
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Unless they stop selling hardware we’re a ways off.
 
DrJohnnyN said:
Teslas aren't attractive vehicles.
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Oh honey. Yes they are.
[doublepost=1563855163][/doublepost]Laughing at the Tesla hate on these forums. Tesla is the best car around and my model 3 is incredible. The upgrade is literally similar to going from flip phones to the iPhone back in the day.
 
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Baymowe335 said:
Yeah, their unit sales aren’t as bad as I’m making it sound. They just aren’t profitable and are losing tax credits which will impact the value proposition.

I don’t believe in them because the product isn’t selling profitably and is an inferior product to gas cars in many important ways, namely range and price.
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You were saying "but they hardly sell any cars" so profitability is a completely different thing. Valid point but Tesla is changing the battery chemistry using Maxwell patents to substantially reduce the cost of the battery pack by next year.

If you mean range is the "inferior" point, well 200-300 miles is plenty for daily commute and Tesla supercharging adds more than enough miles faster than you can order an In-n-Out burger on a road trip. I really don't see any other potentially "inferior" points about the car. It's much safer than the average gas car and the fact that you always start the day with a full battery means you never worry about whether or not to get gas on the way home.
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Baymowe335 said:
Feels, looks, and is cheap. Too much plastic, terrible fit and finish.
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Bob Lutz, a hater of Elon Musk had this to say:
https://insideevs.com/news/355061/bob-lutz-tesla-model-3-fit-and-finish/
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AustinIllini said:
That would be a disaster.
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it's actually the future.
no one wants to maintain a car, store it, change insurance every year to something cheaper, refill it with electricity/gas, etc...
only street racers and enthusiasts will still want to manually drive. everyone else just wants to get to the destination.
 
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I have no clue why. Interiors in those cars are absolutely godawful. Quality if ok but the ergonomics and engineering is worst than even the cheaper regular cars. If anything people designing that crap should be permanently unemployed.
 
farewelwilliams said:
it was the best selling luxury car of 2018 in the USA. it's the #1 best selling car in the Netherlands. they only recently started selling international too. what are you smoking?
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Wow, just 8500 cars sold in the Netherlands and still number one?! They really must be a bycicle country.
 
For all the people complaining about the interior, tbh I rather they spend that money on a huge screen and cameras and developing self driving software, I don't want a car with real leather interior and 2005 Technology.
 
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Seanm87 said:
I wish there was a dislike button
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It's all fun and games, until you write an unpopular opinion and you start getting dislikes right and left, I use Reddit and getting downvoted can ruin your mood, I like it this way here.
 
farewelwilliams said:
...no one wants to maintain a car, store it, change insurance every year to something cheaper, refill it with electricity/gas, etc...
only street racers and enthusiasts will still want to manually drive. everyone else just wants to get to the destination.
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Hmm, I feel like there is a future "Fast & Furious" movie plot in there somewhere...
 
farewelwilliams said:
it's actually the future.
no one wants to maintain a car, store it, change insurance every year to something cheaper, refill it with electricity/gas, etc...
only street racers and enthusiasts will still want to manually drive. everyone else just wants to get to the destination.
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There is a 0% chance this winds up being better than owning a car for low income people. The brilliant thing about car ownership is you can pay off your car and not owe any more payments on it. You can keep a car for years without paying much at all. The idea of paying Uber or Lyft (because those will be the two options) $300 a month in perpetuity for my mobility is disgusting.

This kind of "it's the future" stuff is myopic and urban-centric. It's not rooted in reality for a huge percentage of Americans.
 
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farewelwilliams said:
You were saying "but they hardly sell any cars" so profitability is a completely different thing. Valid point but Tesla is changing the battery chemistry using Maxwell patents to substantially reduce the cost of the battery pack by next year.

If you mean range is the "inferior" point, well 200-300 miles is plenty for daily commute and Tesla supercharging adds more than enough miles faster than you can order an In-n-Out burger on a road trip. I really don't see any other potentially "inferior" points about the car. It's much safer than the average gas car and the fact that you always start the day with a full battery means you never worry about whether or not to get gas on the way home.
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Bob Lutz, a hater of Elon Musk had this to say:
https://insideevs.com/news/355061/bob-lutz-tesla-model-3-fit-and-finish/
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it's actually the future.
no one wants to maintain a car, store it, change insurance every year to something cheaper, refill it with electricity/gas, etc...
only street racers and enthusiasts will still want to manually drive. everyone else just wants to get to the destination.
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Tesla needed to make far more progress before competition really starts. They are still not making money and other manufacturers are going to start building EVs when the market and tech is ready.

The car business is ultra competitive. There is almost no brand loyalty.
 
alexandr said:
what are you talking about?! the first iphone was amazing. sure, it doesn't hold up today, but it's been a minute. when it came out there absolutely nothing that could compete in any way.
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Nope, it was a good phone, but lots of things it didn't have, like copy/paste and MMS, amongst many more.

Touch was extremely good though, design as well and more, but by no means a perfect product.
 
justperry said:
Nope, it was a good phone, but lots of things it didn't have, like copy/paste and MMS, amongst many more.

Touch was extremely good though, design as well and more, but by no means a perfect product.
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i didn't say it was perfect. but it was revolutionary and amazing for that point in time.
touch?
 
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