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Apple Hit With Class Action Lawsuit Over Large iOS 8 Storage Space
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Are you saying the customers don't use the OS? Apple could easily offer to sell the phone without any software installed at all. That way they would have 100% of the storage available to them. Of course they couldn't use it.
This lawsuit is so stupid.
Maybe we could sue car companies because some of the rated power of the engine is consumed in friction in the bearings and transmission and doesn't actualy drive the car. We could sue beverage companies because some liquid adheres to the inner surface of the container and is discarded. Maybe we could sue lawyers for filing frivolous lawsuits that cost money for Apple to defend and thereby lowers the value of the stock and raises the price of the iPhone.
There are lots of people that don't download anything but just want an iPhone. The there's the foreign markets that don't get subsidized iPhones so they tend to spend less on media and apps. And then you have children who can only purchase items if they have parents permission. These all make up millions of iPhone customers that Apple might lose if they only offered 32GB or lose billions of dollars in revenue if they gave away the extra 16GB for free.
I think it's high time we held those who opt into the "class" financially responsible for legal costs of they lose.
I agree. It's no different from a car maker advertising a certain amount of kpm for petrol use but the consumer can never access this.
I never reached the maximum amount of storage when I used iphone but then, I never did the updates (mostly because the Apple updates suck).
I've since switched to Samsung which whose memory I can upgrade. I really like that feature.
Oh, I'm not unhappy. I have a 128 GB iPhone. However, it's lousy downright pathetic that Apple offers their flagship phone in a 16 GB capacity in 2014. That decision was not made with the customer in mind, unfortunately.
Honestly, buying a device with no memory expansion is simply an assumption of risk. Memory fluctuates with updates, we all know that. However, Apple's shoddy business practices are not so lopsided and egregious enough to warrant legal intervention. In an ideal world, Apple's auto update policy and intent to create more bugs for older devices would be seen as anti consumer. The lawsuit doesn't have too much standing as it is. The court system is not as much of an intermediary body rather, it's more subjective. Idealism would say that Apple should suffer, but realism says that Apple will probably win the case. I wish the plaintiff best of luck in combating anti-consumerism, but it's a very faint chance that it could work in our benefit.
Interestingly enough, my 64GB iPhone 6 has a capacity of 56GB .... that's 8GB that I cannot use. So, perhaps, it should be advertised as a 56GB phone?
In addition, my 128GB iPad Mini has a capacity of 114GB... that's 12GB that I cannot use. So, should it be advertised as a 114GB iPad?
In addition, my 128GB iPad Mini has a capacity of 114GB... that's 12GB that I cannot use. So, should it be advertised as a 114GB iPad?
Agreed. Apple knows their user base would cave into $100 or more in memory upgrading fees. They solder in RAM into the latest Macbooks too. I had 16 GB on my old S5, but it had a SD card slot, so the fact it had less memory than one could hope for, it was tolerable. 16 GB was the only option from my carrier as well. I use the Note 4 w/ 32 GB of memory and an 8 GB SD card. 32 GB has to be the norm soon since Apple did remove the 8 GB starting point eventually before reviving it with the 8 GB iPhone 5C.
This has to be the most ridiculous thing I've EVER read. Gee, a computer has an operating system and newer versions take up more space? Really? I mean REALLY???? 
Gee, are they going to sue Microsoft for having Windows 95, 98, ME, XP, Vista, 7, 8 and 8.1 all use more space than MS-Dos (which fit on single floppy at one point in time) ???
Yeah, it's THAT absurd. No one likes bloat, but what's the alternative? Put the OS on a separate chip which will mean you can't upgrade in the future since there won't be enough space? You'd have competing memory at that point and one would have to have a limit somewhere.
Gee, are they going to sue Microsoft for having Windows 95, 98, ME, XP, Vista, 7, 8 and 8.1 all use more space than MS-Dos (which fit on single floppy at one point in time) ???
Yeah, it's THAT absurd. No one likes bloat, but what's the alternative? Put the OS on a separate chip which will mean you can't upgrade in the future since there won't be enough space? You'd have competing memory at that point and one would have to have a limit somewhere.
Yep, as I said I use the Movie Pro app. It is just under 4K, quality is great but more importantly it gives you the ability to crop and stabilize video and still be at 1080P.
Oh goodee! Some people trying to scrounge whatever money they can for the most absurd of reasons!
I suspect this will be thrown out... considering it both warns you if you don't have enough space, and you yourself has to okay the download; this could be seen to me anyway as an acknowledgement that you are aware of the size and install being placed on your phone.
I'm not against lawsuits (or threats of lawsuits) that would twist Apple's arm to "do the right thing" by changing and improving its policies, e.g. like stop pushing auto-downloads of Updates that would be detrimental to our (older generation) device.
However, I'm against the trivial lawsuits simply for monetary punishment which translates into ONLY THE LAWYERS making large amounts of money. We all know that in a class action suit, the users themselves will get very little cash (if at all).
In these cases, if the class action suit won, Apple would be forced to pay up several millions, which would be funneled directly into the pockets of class action attorneys. The consumers get barely nothing (maybe a check for a few dollars each).
To me, forcing Apple to "pay up" is meaningless. It means nothing to Apple because that is simply chump change for Apple. What is a more important goal is for the lawsuit (or threat of lawsuit) to serve as a "behavior correction" for large corporations.
IMHO, the US Courts need to change the way these class action suits are petitioned, accepted and awarded. The focus should NOT be on seeking monetary fines or punitive damages. The focus should be to steer the large corporation to behave more responsibly (towards its customers).
I'll argue.
If a device has say 16 GB and it would be advertised as having usable 12 GB or the info is split as in telling consumers
12 GB usable 4 GB System Resources = 16GB total
The net is still only 12 GB usable, nothing changed.
That is until over time the System goes to say 5GB due to security updates, features etc. At that point the manufacturer would be misleading again.
When people buy computers they should educate themselves a little.
Like somebody already posted : It's always somebody elses fault and let's not take responsibility for our own actions.
I saw you disagree in my other post about what is STANDARD, but to me it is clear that systems take space and I decide how much space I want.
Held out upgrading my 4S until they came out with a 128GB version, as even 64GB was not enough for what I use my iPhone for.
Even hard drives without any OS on it do not maintain full capacity when just formatted.
If the industry standard was illegal or intolerable, somebody would have attacked this long time ago.
As OS installations are customizable the system usage varies depending on what a consumer keeps on it. iOS excluded)
One can gain additional space be deleting languages, printers etc. and with iOS there is a cloud option for more storage. (I am not a friend of cloud computing)
When I started to use my first computer 1984 a 128 GB Mac with floppy disks, I realized within minutes that I needed more storage, regardless of OS.
My guess is that even lazy people who don't check things will figure out that in this case bigger is better.
Even if the industry changed to give the info the way I listed above you would see the same results and complaints.
The people who do not educate themselves will not know how many movies, photos, videos etc. fit on a 60GB, but they will complain when they run out of space.
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16 GB is silly all right.
16 GB is way too much for all those people (likely many millions) who never load any apps or much media on their iPhones. 8 GB would be better for these customers, but I guess the chips aren't that much cheaper to Apple, so 16 GB allows them to minimize component part numbers and further improve future iOS capabilities.
iOS 8.x takes about 4GB of storage. I always have at least 32GB to 128GB of total storage on my Apple mobile devices. I don't even concern myself with 4GB size programs!
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I think you mean MB instead of GB in 1984! LOL!
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I think you mean MB instead of GB in 1984! LOL!
It's not Apple's user base. It's everybody on average. Most products of all types come in small, medium and large, or good, better, best SKUs. Or whatever crazy names Starbucks uses for their cups these days. That's because most consumers are happier buying the medium out of 3 SKUs, than if that same medium were the only product on the shelf all by itself.
Read a text book on consumer psychology. Most are sheep.
Or too poor to buy "medium".
Sounds legit, Apple sells 8gb 5Cs as their budget option. With that 8GB sliced down to maybe 2GB you can maybe squeeze a few hundred pictures and possibly a few minutes of video in there.
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This has to be the most ridiculous thing I've EVER read. Gee, a computer has an operating system and newer versions take up more space? Really? I mean REALLY????
Gee, are they going to sue Microsoft for having Windows 95, 98, ME, XP, Vista, 7, 8 and 8.1 all use more space than MS-Dos (which fit on single floppy at one point in time) ???
Yeah, it's THAT absurd.
Except no, it isn't. Apple make a point of differentiating their products by storage capacity. iMacs and desktops do not. They are sold as the sum of their parts and those parts can be changed.
If Apple started selling iMacs that only differ in screen size and you found that you got 3 inches less display than advertised would you be happy?
It's now the norm for television specs to display the viewable screen size and not the physical dimensions, why should advertising a product based on it's storage capacity not give you that storage capacity? Especially if every year it got less and less with no way to remove the system, it's unwanted components or upgrade the hardware.
At the very least Apple advertising should clearly state how much useable space is available next to the "capacity" of each model.