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Apple Hit With Class Action Lawsuit Over Large iOS 8 Storage Space
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I'm surprised no one has brought this up, but here's a primary reason why this lawsuit can be easily disregarded:
They are claiming that Apple is taking advantage of customers and pressuring them to buy more storage during critical times.
Well here's the thing, there are different messages that pop up when you are out of storage to alert you that your storage is full.
One of them is the message when your phone is trying to backup that tells you not enough iCloud storage is available. This is followed by a button to tap where you can manually edit what's taking up your iCloud storage space.
Here's the even BIGGER thing though: the other storage messages that pop up have a key difference. When you are trying to do something that would take up your phone storage, like take a video, the device presents a message that says not enough available storage. The important difference is that it does not say iCloud storage. The button on this one will lead you to the settings location where you can manually make room on your phone by deleting content. Nowhere are you encouraged to or is it implied that you should purchase iCloud storage, as this wouldn't actaully fix the issue.
Baiscally a primary claim of the plaintiff here is that Apple tries to "sell the consumer storage capacity in a desperate moment", but in all the situations they list, you are never told or even offered to purchase iCloud storage, as this isn't even related to the described issues. You are instead shown very directly a way to manage that storage and free up space without having to pay anything.
Tl;dr: this lawsuit is incredibly stupid, and they have absolutely no ground to stand on here given the direction they were trying to take this.
They are claiming that Apple is taking advantage of customers and pressuring them to buy more storage during critical times.
Well here's the thing, there are different messages that pop up when you are out of storage to alert you that your storage is full.
One of them is the message when your phone is trying to backup that tells you not enough iCloud storage is available. This is followed by a button to tap where you can manually edit what's taking up your iCloud storage space.
Here's the even BIGGER thing though: the other storage messages that pop up have a key difference. When you are trying to do something that would take up your phone storage, like take a video, the device presents a message that says not enough available storage. The important difference is that it does not say iCloud storage. The button on this one will lead you to the settings location where you can manually make room on your phone by deleting content. Nowhere are you encouraged to or is it implied that you should purchase iCloud storage, as this wouldn't actaully fix the issue.
Baiscally a primary claim of the plaintiff here is that Apple tries to "sell the consumer storage capacity in a desperate moment", but in all the situations they list, you are never told or even offered to purchase iCloud storage, as this isn't even related to the described issues. You are instead shown very directly a way to manage that storage and free up space without having to pay anything.
Tl;dr: this lawsuit is incredibly stupid, and they have absolutely no ground to stand on here given the direction they were trying to take this.
Corporate Users
I believe that a lot of companies that provide their employees with iPhones go with the 16GB model. My company does, and requires a detailed justification if you want a different model. I was able to justify a 64GB 6+, however, company policy limits personal usage, so I have zero music or video on mine. Currently have 44GB free, it says 55.4GB are available, probably could have lived with a 16GB.
I believe that a lot of companies that provide their employees with iPhones go with the 16GB model. My company does, and requires a detailed justification if you want a different model. I was able to justify a 64GB 6+, however, company policy limits personal usage, so I have zero music or video on mine. Currently have 44GB free, it says 55.4GB are available, probably could have lived with a 16GB.
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everything is suit worthy. Why doesn't the iPhone have a button keyboard. Gonna sue. Why does the os even exist. Gonna sue. Why do I have to sue. Gonna sue because I have to sue. Better sue so that suit can go through for me to sue.
everything is suit worthy. Why doesn't the iPhone have a button keyboard. Gonna sue. Why does the os even exist. Gonna sue. Why do I have to sue. Gonna sue because I have to sue. Better sue so that suit can go through for me to sue.
Just get a larger storage size?
I don't see the problem here.
Not enough space? Then get the larger size.
I don't see the problem here.
Not enough space? Then get the larger size.
When my Mom's 4 (which is a hand down from myself) gives up the ghost, she will buy a 16gb phone. She has never put anything on her phone except for some pictures taken and I suspect she pretty much never will.
There are tons of users who don't use the phone with anything much more than a phone and text device. I'd also encourage folks to buy the 64, but for some the 16gb version is plenty and it will continue this way for the foreseeable future. Why force them to pay more? Or should Apple just suck up the cost giving folks extra storage they don't need?
Again, if 16 GB isn't enough for you, don't buy it. You can most definitely use a 16 GB phone has a full smartphone, doing everything smart phones do, you just have to be conscious about how much space you using.i t's not like It has zero memory or anything, even one gigabyte is large if you only do photos not video, and you can still put a bunch of music and even a couple TV shows or movies or large games on your phone if you really want on a 16 GB model, even though you're a fool if you watch a bunch of video on such a small screen. Many people don't need more than 16 GB to do what they want with their smart phone, so there is no reason to make the entry model with more space.
My 64GB 4S reports that is has 56.6BG capacity with ~22GB free.
Is that missing 7.4GB (64 - 56.6) used for iOS8? So the 'up to 23%' is for new 32GB devices?
Now THIS ^ is classic lawyer bs. Sorry to all my friends who are attorneys.
Is that missing 7.4GB (64 - 56.6) used for iOS8? So the 'up to 23%' is for new 32GB devices?
Now THIS ^ is classic lawyer bs. Sorry to all my friends who are attorneys.
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It's easier to advertise 16GB than to try to advertise 16GB, 12.64GB available to device owner at time of purchase.
Apple won't advertise this way because iOS will continue to consume more storage as time goes on and updates are applied. Therefore marketing materials would be out of date after nearly every update.
What's more likely to happen (maybe it already is done this way) is that they will put an asterisk next to the storage capacity of the device. Follow that to the reference section to see the tiny print that says something like "Apple reserves storage capacity for the operating system, iOS. Therefore, a portion of the promoted storage capacity will be unavailable to the user."
I'd like to see this change. The manufacturers (not just Apple) should be more clear about how much storage the customer can expect to have available to them at the time of purchase. It feels a bit like false advertising when you realize you don't have the storage space you thought you had - and it really does happen to a lot of people at the worst moment when your only choice is to backup to the cloud and clear your phone - leading to potential purchases of additional cloud storage and could potentially cause people to go over their data limits with their cellular carriers causing overage fees.
It's easier to advertise 16GB than to try to advertise 16GB, 12.64GB available to device owner at time of purchase.
Apple won't advertise this way because iOS will continue to consume more storage as time goes on and updates are applied. Therefore marketing materials would be out of date after nearly every update.
What's more likely to happen (maybe it already is done this way) is that they will put an asterisk next to the storage capacity of the device. Follow that to the reference section to see the tiny print that says something like "Apple reserves storage capacity for the operating system, iOS. Therefore, a portion of the promoted storage capacity will be unavailable to the user."
I'd like to see this change. The manufacturers (not just Apple) should be more clear about how much storage the customer can expect to have available to them at the time of purchase. It feels a bit like false advertising when you realize you don't have the storage space you thought you had - and it really does happen to a lot of people at the worst moment when your only choice is to backup to the cloud and clear your phone - leading to potential purchases of additional cloud storage and could potentially cause people to go over their data limits with their cellular carriers causing overage fees.
Since when does the sensor in any iPhone capture 4k pixels?
You are seriously wasting resource if you are writing 4k files from 1080p source material.....
It depends on how the operating system decides to display it. Windows OS will tell you a different capacity than Linux for the same drive.
Honestly, I don't know what iOS is displaying there. My iPhone 6+ 64GB reports a total of 55.7GB (38.8 used, 16.9 free).
It may be that iOS reserves the 7.4GB, but doesn't actually consume all of it.
It could also be that the storage device isn't truly 64GB, but something slightly less. You see this happen with PC hard drives as well.
They will never do that. Not worth it for them. THEY WANT YOU TO BUY A NEW DEVICE WITH MORE MEMORY !!!
If that were true, why would they make it possible to spend $1 a month to store all of your photos and videos off the device using iCloud storage. I believe that iOS 8 has finally made it possible for people to buy only a 16GB device and still be able to download updates over the air. 20 GB of iCloud storage for $1 a month is way cheaper than the extra $100 to upgrade the internal memory (in case you don't want to do the math, that is over 8 years to make that money back). Granted the iCloud storage is really only good for photos and videos but I find this to be what is taking up the most room on people's devices. Apps listed by most storage used usually goes:
1) Photos
2) Music
3) Messages
4) Everything else
While I understand your point, 16GB is not silly. There are many average joes that use the phone for, you know, making calls.
You bought a 32gig iPhone 6?
The point isn't that the OS takes up SOME space, it's that it takes up to 23.1% of advertised space. Did your Windows OS take up 231GB of the 1TB drive that came with your PC? Didn't think so...
Oh, my, you really want to go there.... Look into mobile space MS devices and we will talk. It is only lately that they have taken less than most of your device...
8MP: 3264 x 2448 Screen Resolution
4K UHD: 3840 x 2160 Screen Resolution
1080p HD: 1920 x 1080
The iPhone camera is slightly off from 4K resolution, but it's close enough to fake. Are you going to get good quality 4K video? That's hard to tell without personal experience. The post-processing is super-important and key to the end quality. So different apps will get better results.
To all the people mocking the suit. The guy does have a point. When you buy a "16GB" iPhone, you expect 16 GBs. Then the fine print says 1 Gb = 1000, rather than 1024. So you are now left with less. Add a huge OS to the equation (taking up almost a fourth of total storage, no less), and you are left with something around 12 GB.
Following this logic, shouldn't it really be marketed as a 12 GB option? Because that's what's realistically usable. Not sure this is lawsuit material though, but then again, this is the US.
Following this logic, shouldn't it really be marketed as a 12 GB option? Because that's what's realistically usable. Not sure this is lawsuit material though, but then again, this is the US.
Cloud storage is getting cheap, but cellular data is not. The two largest carriers in the U.S. have data plans that restrict the amount of cloud storage that is reasonable to use; especially while on the road. Increasing that data limit is expensive and going over the data limit is exponentially more expensive.
On top of that is all of the security issues of "the cloud" and the other risks of trusting a 3rd party with your personal files.
Going forward it's no longer only about the Photos, music, movies, books, and other consumable content. It's the sizes of the apps themselves. Retina iPhones and iPads have pushed app sizes near the GB range. Install a few apps and a 16GB phone loses half the available storage; especially if those apps are games; which, btw, also happen to be the types of apps that sell the most on the App Store.
16GB is a risk for most people and it's upsetting to me that is was even an option this time around. I won't argue with anyone about this any more. I understand there are people who can live within that limit, but my opinion is that 32GB should have been the minimum and I'm not changing my mind no matter WTF you say to me, so ****
So even though the built in sensor takes video at 60 fps 1080p, you are saying this app magically makes the hardware capture 8mp video at 60 fps ?
Sure you can take video in any res and "post process" it to any other res.
Taking 4k and rendering 4k are not the same thing.
Sure you can take video in any res and "post process" it to any other res.
Taking 4k and rendering 4k are not the same thing.
Unless the manufacturer is going to reserve a constant, unchanging reserved capacity to be used only by iOS, they can't advertise the amount of usable space. Otherwise (as I said above), the marketing materials could potentially go out of date after every iOS update since the OS would consume more storage than before.
iCloud is way too buggy for my taste. And, I will never store anything on it. It sucks. I lost all my contacts and my calendars because of it (I recovered them). I just do not trust it. It's a pain in the B...
I don't trust anything "cloud", or anything "drive"....
You do have a point. I guess something along the lines of "iOS requires minimum 2 GB of total storage" would work. Definitely better than not stating anything and being greeted to a 12 GB device.
I guess Tim Cook's success at Apple, as far as customers are concerned, comes down to one thing. Do your devices have fewer problems today than they did four years ago?
I think it's disgusting that lawsuits like this can even begin to proceed. There should be a troll at the beginning of every court clerks window who test these degenerate lawyers before they can even hand them the paper work.
California.... I tell ya.
I agree with everything you said but they're not suing because of Apple is forcing them to purchase storage, they're suing because Apple didn't tell them how large/ how much storage space iOS 8 was going to take up. People feel that they wouldn't have downloaded it if they knew it was going to take up 23% of their storage space.
Apple should hand out free Micro SD cards
California.... I tell ya.
I agree with everything you said but they're not suing because of Apple is forcing them to purchase storage, they're suing because Apple didn't tell them how large/ how much storage space iOS 8 was going to take up. People feel that they wouldn't have downloaded it if they knew it was going to take up 23% of their storage space.
Apple should hand out free Micro SD cards