The fact that apple forces the updates to download is the only real problem with this I have. It really irritates me that they can hold some of your space hostage until you update. As for the space the installed OS takes. Every computing device since computers came to consumers advertises the size of the whole drive regardless of how much the OS takes up. If consumers are to stupid to do a little research into their real device needs before they buy, then it's their fault, not Apples.
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Apple Hit With Class Action Lawsuit Over Large iOS 8 Storage Space
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The fact that apple forces the updates to download is the only real problem with this I have. It really irritates me that they can hold some of your space hostage until you update. As for the space the installed OS takes. Every computing device since computers came to consumers advertises the size of the whole drive regardless of how much the OS takes up. If consumers are to stupid to do a little research into their real device needs before they buy, then it's their fault, not Apples.
Thank you for completely missing the point and not bothering to read my entire post.
errr....perhaps if you actually made a point?
something along the lines that e average Joe doesn't need any more that 16 GB .....because they spent a fortune on a smartphone but somehow just want to make phone calls?
When an entire industry does this for umpteen years it becomes a STANDARD !
Unfortunately there will be some consumers who don't care to figure this out and while I do not know any percentage, I think the majority of computer users these days know that an operating system is needed and will take space on a device.
So, the majority approves (by using the device) and uses the STANDARD.
Depending on the many possible uses of a device the actual storage only tells much if you have a low storage device. (As in I can't do this or that)
The smart people buy devices with larger storage, the dumb people sue!
I disagree. Now I am an educated consumer. But that doesn't mean that the current standard is correct. Are you really suggesting a BETTER standard wouldn't be to list accurately the approximate free space available.
Just because it's always been done this way doesn't mean it's correct or the best way. If that's your take on this, that's fine. I just know I would never want to work on any team project with you.
When law school professors want to teach law students the meaning of a frivolous lawsuit, they only need point to this lawsuit. Absolutely ridiculous!
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Even if Apple was the only company to sell 16 GB phones, no one forces you to buy 16 GB. It's a choice. This lawsuit, like most against Apple, is a waste of time.
I can see that, but I don't understand what that has to do with the physical space on the phone. This could happen even if you have a 128GB phone. Running out of space on your iCloud isn't a result of the OS on your phone taking 4GB of your 16GB space.
I had a windows phone 8GB model. Accounted memory was 7.6GB, Available memory was 900MB
Atleast, for iPhone i can say its pretty much usable even at 16GB. I have some 98 apps installed including pages and iMove kind apps and The walking dead game plus other smalls games and still 800MB left, with everything running and syncing...
Who are these people anyway?
Though i agree, that manufacturers should not account the OS memory in the advertised capacity, but hey, show me any other company that is giving more than Apple, frankly speaking.
Atleast, for iPhone i can say its pretty much usable even at 16GB. I have some 98 apps installed including pages and iMove kind apps and The walking dead game plus other smalls games and still 800MB left, with everything running and syncing...
Who are these people anyway?
Though i agree, that manufacturers should not account the OS memory in the advertised capacity, but hey, show me any other company that is giving more than Apple, frankly speaking.
YUP !!! Not even a 32Gb for the new iPad Air 2. The want to sell the more expensive 64Gb and 128Gb models !!! Suckers. They live in the 20th century...BC
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Stupid lawsuit.
So what exactly is Apple supposed to do? Of course the OS takes up some of the space on the device. Everyone wants new features and every version of an OS takes more space than the last. This lawsuit is plan and simply stupid.
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16 GB is NOT the standard. It is what you buy when you can't afford one with a more reasonable amount of storage. Should the base model be 32 GB? Probably. But is 16 GB the standard? Only if you are too cheap to buy a better amount of storage, but otherwise it is not the "Standard."
So what exactly is Apple supposed to do? Of course the OS takes up some of the space on the device. Everyone wants new features and every version of an OS takes more space than the last. This lawsuit is plan and simply stupid.
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16 GB is NOT the standard. It is what you buy when you can't afford one with a more reasonable amount of storage. Should the base model be 32 GB? Probably. But is 16 GB the standard? Only if you are too cheap to buy a better amount of storage, but otherwise it is not the "Standard."
16 GB is enough on my Moto G but then again it is a $199 phone. 32 GB or go home. It's barely enough on a Surface RT but Microsoft manages it somehow even with Windows + Office.
No, it is not stupid. I don't want more features. There are too many as it is already. Who uses them all? What are they going to do next, turn your device into an espresso machine??
Just stop charging premium prices and deliver ultra-buggy iOs and OS X !!
And start letting us upgrade the men capacity by including a micro SD slot!
Also they should start listening to their base customers instead of telling us what WE need or don't need to have !!
The quality is not worth it anymore !!! Period.
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Oh, so you're saying that people with less money are cheap? Not everybody can afford higher capacities. That is such a derogatory statement !!
Well said!! Especially the section in Bold... Personal responsibility has all but vanished. It must be SOMEONES fault, right?
The Hot Coffee thing was real
It just got a propaganda campaign.
This however, is a stupid trivial lawsuit. Trolling for cash.
Now, I think they do have grounds if they'd complain about the smallest iPhone 6 is 16 GB when it really should be 32, which is about the smallest phone you can have that still lets you do stuff.
Or Apple might think of inserting some additional storage media. I know they want it impossibly small, made of pixie dust if possible. But they showed how good they were with Lightning -- seriously, on my second phone with Lightning, and it's brilliant. How about Beats with a Lightning connector, Apple? Interact with Siri and it has a heads-up, mid-air display? Yeah, but you can't sue on the grounds they aren't making a Dick Tracy two-way TV that also microwaves, either. The OS got big because it had to. The additional APIs, the Pay stuff, the secure enclave -- there's a lot going on there that takes lines of code. They don't have much legacy cruft on it. It's all doing stuff. Alleging that all that code is just a plot to take money-- that's a design prerogative. You want a phone that does this, this is how big it turned out to be to have Extensions and Touch ID and a ton of other stuff.
It's saying way too much to be saying what this suit alleges: do they think they wrote extra cruft into the OS just to screw you up? Apple has Apple stores. They can show you how to undo your install. Call the 1-800 number and get the help. If it's a new phone and you don't like it, give it back and they'll let you return it within a limit. So I'd say you have no standing because you haven't been hurt. You bought a phone or installed a new OS and you didn't like what happened. Boo-hoo.
It just got a propaganda campaign.
This however, is a stupid trivial lawsuit. Trolling for cash.
Now, I think they do have grounds if they'd complain about the smallest iPhone 6 is 16 GB when it really should be 32, which is about the smallest phone you can have that still lets you do stuff.
Or Apple might think of inserting some additional storage media. I know they want it impossibly small, made of pixie dust if possible. But they showed how good they were with Lightning -- seriously, on my second phone with Lightning, and it's brilliant. How about Beats with a Lightning connector, Apple? Interact with Siri and it has a heads-up, mid-air display? Yeah, but you can't sue on the grounds they aren't making a Dick Tracy two-way TV that also microwaves, either. The OS got big because it had to. The additional APIs, the Pay stuff, the secure enclave -- there's a lot going on there that takes lines of code. They don't have much legacy cruft on it. It's all doing stuff. Alleging that all that code is just a plot to take money-- that's a design prerogative. You want a phone that does this, this is how big it turned out to be to have Extensions and Touch ID and a ton of other stuff.
It's saying way too much to be saying what this suit alleges: do they think they wrote extra cruft into the OS just to screw you up? Apple has Apple stores. They can show you how to undo your install. Call the 1-800 number and get the help. If it's a new phone and you don't like it, give it back and they'll let you return it within a limit. So I'd say you have no standing because you haven't been hurt. You bought a phone or installed a new OS and you didn't like what happened. Boo-hoo.
-Without doing any research I'm assuming that Android and Windows Phone do this too although some Android devices and most(or all) Windows Phone devices have an micro SD card slot to expand storage.
-The iPhone 5C with 8GB of storage must be an absolute frustration.
-The iPhone 5C with 8GB of storage must be an absolute frustration.
Still, you have a fixed amount of space. It's your responsibility to manage it, not Apples. What is wrong with them offering a solution for a small fee? That's how businesses work.
Most people don't know that the storage is advertised in "decimal system" and computers read the memory in "binary system", therefore you get smaller storage. I hope this helps: http://knowledge.seagate.com/articles/en_US/FAQ/172191en?language=en_US
That's one way of looking at it. The other way is to see this as some of the public disagreeing with how products are labeled (like food, drugs, etc) and want clearer labeling or some industry reform.
I can understand where people are coming from in regards to believing the lawsuit is "silly" - however the ultimate outcome isn't such a bad idea if it means that all manufacturers have to be simply reveal what usable space will be available.
Please - someone argue with me on how that's a bad thing.
No, gas is like the battery, how often you have to stop and recharge/refuel. The analogy you're making about storage space would be with cargo space inside the car. But your rationale everybody should be buying minivans or pick up trucks just because they might want to move some big stuff for lots of people sometime, but if you look around you see tons of small vehicles on the road, even things ridiculously small Like Smart cars, because people want to save money on gas or the car itself if they don't need it. Many people just don't need bigger iPhones, and are definitely still using them properly. They make a standard small, med, large array of choices, don't be pissed that small is too small if it is actually the right size for many people.
Why is that worse?
Have a 16GB iPhone and a 16GB iPad. Never been an issue.
If you personally need more space, then buy a product with more space.
I'm sure somewhere in the terms and conditions it says "OS can do anything/ take up as much space as it ****ing wants"
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I think that some are thinking that the cloud back up works differently than it actually does. Especially if you are coming from Android. On Android the cloud backup of photos and videos works really well in that you still have them but they are not taking up space on your phone. This is not the case so much with the Apple device. It syncs, is true, but they still reside on the phone itself. I think that is a lot of the reason you do not hear people with Android phones complain about space so much, most of the pictures, videos and such are being put into the cloud. Honestly, it works so well you almost do not even notice that they are not on the phone any more. I had a 16gb Android and never had issues with space. My apple phone is nothing but constant issues with space and I do not even take that many photos or apps for that matter. It is truly just a difference is how the different platforms are handling different kinds of media.
I think that some are thinking that the cloud back up works differently than it actually does. Especially if you are coming from Android. On Android the cloud backup of photos and videos works really well in that you still have them but they are not taking up space on your phone. This is not the case so much with the Apple device. It syncs, is true, but they still reside on the phone itself. I think that is a lot of the reason you do not hear people with Android phones complain about space so much, most of the pictures, videos and such are being put into the cloud. Honestly, it works so well you almost do not even notice that they are not on the phone any more. I had a 16gb Android and never had issues with space. My apple phone is nothing but constant issues with space and I do not even take that many photos or apps for that matter. It is truly just a difference is how the different platforms are handling different kinds of media.
Disagree, my point is, I pay for a smartphone, I want to use it like a smartphone, e.g. take photos, movies, download apps, media etc. I buy a car, I want to use it as a car. Folks on here are suggesting, the best way of getting by with 16GB is, don't take photos, limit your apps and stream films etc. To me that defeats the whole point of paying $1000 for an iPhone.