No, but I would want to have 100% of the marketed storage available to me. Otherwise, following your logic, the OS might as well take up 13 GB and leave us with 2. I'm just saying, where do we draw the line? A fourth of the device's storage is quite significant.
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Apple Hit With Class Action Lawsuit Over Large iOS 8 Storage Space
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No, but I would want to have 100% of the marketed storage available to me. Otherwise, following your logic, the OS might as well take up 13 GB and leave us with 2. I'm just saying, where do we draw the line? A fourth of the device's storage is quite significant.
What would you do with an iPhone and no OS?
Unless you mean remove iOS 8, but both 6/6+ ship with it. I don't think you can revert once you upgrade.
I totally understand older models having space issues vs. a new iOS. But the 6/6+, released with iOS 8, should start at 32GB IMHO.
Thank you yes. Big LOL and cost me 2,400 with basically nothing in it.
No HD, no modem. MacWrite and MacPaint and no wifi.
Compare that to what you get these days for that money/
PS: Double LOL as that was 128 K . How fast we forget.
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Seriously? Apple isn't taking away storage space. The phone's user is USING that space to store the OS! Simple! Apple isn't using it, the user is; with their choice of OS. EVERYONE knows downloading something onto your phone takes up storage space. The more you download, the more space is taken up. DOH!
Common sense.
Common sense.
Let me know how well your phone works without the OS. Nice try at spinning semantics. And the phone comes with the OS - the user isn't downloading it.
Shouldn't the consumer be responsible for knowing what they're paying for...??? Also, shouldn't the retailer that sold them the phone explain these things...? Maybe they should sue them instead...
Try comparing how much storage a Microsoft Surface has available to the user.
IIRC you only have about 14 GB storage available on a 32K machine.
IIRC you only have about 14 GB storage available on a 32K machine.
So many Apple Fanboys...
All my android loving friends stay away from Apple because of the tactics which usually amount to:
1) No expandable storage
2) Charging for memory upgrades as if they were made of gold
This is partly why this lawsuit is happening, I don't usually like these sort of lawsuits but in this case I am happy.
Its pretty simple like lots of others have stated, just keep people informed, state storage capacity taken up by the OS
All my android loving friends stay away from Apple because of the tactics which usually amount to:
1) No expandable storage
2) Charging for memory upgrades as if they were made of gold
This is partly why this lawsuit is happening, I don't usually like these sort of lawsuits but in this case I am happy.
Its pretty simple like lots of others have stated, just keep people informed, state storage capacity taken up by the OS
Well, I am talking about the case in context. When you streamline it, you're right. People will buy 64 or 128 until 32 is the standard. I know about behavioral economics, but I am not going to expand on something for the intents and purposes of talking on a forum via postings.
Apple users should not defend them on this one. Apple does have some dirty tactics to make more profits out of loyal customers. 16GB for a $649+ device in 2014 is just hard to ignore. As well as sue Apple for their absurdly overpriced flat quote to repair Macbook computers and they not even bother to troubleshoot to find what's wrong and needs to repair. Instead, they flat quoted for repairs but charged for replacement and they repair it and users have no clues what happen to their old parts. Those Apple genius just know two things, replace logic board, display or both. Sometimes Apple needs class action lawsuits for them to wake up and make things right or else they just keep doing those dirty tactics if user ignores it.
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Im thinking the bulk of iOS 8.x installs were downloaded. My point isn't spin, it is that the user needs to buy enough horsepower to carry the engine around, regardless of its size and weight. This common sense.
It is such an odd part to skimp as 16 to 32 is extremely cheap now. It is just an easy way to get more money. Apple is a bit worse then everyone else. 32 should be standard now and when people say 16 is enough for many. Well, that could apply to many features of the phone someone does not use or feel they need. It is all just marketing yet it is time to update.
It's about time someone took some action in this regard.
Devices should have a separate storage for the iOS and then the full 16, 32, 64 or 128 gb available to consumers.
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Ahh, its not the lawyers but the consumers going after the big companies.
The lawyers cannot act on their own.
Devices should have a separate storage for the iOS and then the full 16, 32, 64 or 128 gb available to consumers.
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Ahh, its not the lawyers but the consumers going after the big companies.
The lawyers cannot act on their own.
All they need to do is label their products with the correct amount of usable storage. I understand that 16GB is the amount of storage that is available but given that the OS is installed and takes up a proportion of that, the 16GB isn't the full amount that I can use. I don't think they iPhone is operational without iOS is it?
People are going on about Apple not forcing you to buy the 16GB and you have the choice of the 64GB or 128GB as alternative, which is perfectly correct, but I think the point is that if you know EXACTLY how much usable space you have, you can make an informed choice as a consumer before you buy. The advertised 16GB of storage may seem completely adequate, but if have less than that because the OS takes up a large proportion of the 16GB, then the amount you are left with may not be enough.
It seems obvious to most people that are into their technology that the OS will take up some of the advertised storage space, but for people that don't know, it's very misleading, you would expect 16GB to be available to use.
I don't think this is just an Apple problem btw, all other phone manufacturers advertise in the same manner, but I with other phones manufacturers that allow expandable storage it is an issue you can get around - but even so, it doesn't excuse them from potentially misleading consumers.
People are going on about Apple not forcing you to buy the 16GB and you have the choice of the 64GB or 128GB as alternative, which is perfectly correct, but I think the point is that if you know EXACTLY how much usable space you have, you can make an informed choice as a consumer before you buy. The advertised 16GB of storage may seem completely adequate, but if have less than that because the OS takes up a large proportion of the 16GB, then the amount you are left with may not be enough.
It seems obvious to most people that are into their technology that the OS will take up some of the advertised storage space, but for people that don't know, it's very misleading, you would expect 16GB to be available to use.
I don't think this is just an Apple problem btw, all other phone manufacturers advertise in the same manner, but I with other phones manufacturers that allow expandable storage it is an issue you can get around - but even so, it doesn't excuse them from potentially misleading consumers.
While this lawsuit is bit absurd, I totally agree with your point.
On the side note, person who sued Apple clearly haven't used bloated fandroids before. 16GB base model GS4 that only has half of the storage available to users. Yeah I know Galaxy lineup offers external storage but depending on what carrier/model you have there's a limit on what you can do with that external storage. Simple photo and music collection is fine, while some features like burst shots, very high resolution videos, and app installation is limited. Not to mention some models STILL have bugs/glitches with 64GB microSD cards.
After all the trouble i've went through, I'm grateful that I have my iPhone.
There was already a suit over that issue several years ago which the computer industry lost. Hence the small print on the packages which discloses that 16 GB is not exactly 16 GB usable. Or in some cases they use small print to show the conversion difference between the rounding method used by the industry and the measuring system used by the operating system.
The industry lost that round. And very likely Apple and others will end up having to disclose usable space on the labels in this round.
It will become problematic as ios grows and eats into the space originally stated to be usable space though. So that will likely lead to an additional disclaimer line in the labeling.
And this is now a issue? I always thought all iOS's take a good amount of storage space?
Sigh... gone are the days of when MacOS fit on a floppy disk that included a paint program, a word processor and a puzzle game.
Apple : Here is a Fix!
Problem: Not enough storage space in Apple iPhone 6 / 6 Plus devices for consumers. {This is presumably a most notably unnerving in 16 GB storage devices}
Solution:
As the current line up indicates, 16GB, 64GB, and 128GB.
Eliminate 16GB sizes, possibly begin including 256GB in the future.
32GB may be a new 'middle' compromise, but
64GB is ideal for users due to plentiful room for a year long accumulation of data.
Problem: Not enough storage space in Apple iPhone 6 / 6 Plus devices for consumers. {This is presumably a most notably unnerving in 16 GB storage devices}
Solution:
As the current line up indicates, 16GB, 64GB, and 128GB.
Eliminate 16GB sizes, possibly begin including 256GB in the future.
32GB may be a new 'middle' compromise, but
64GB is ideal for users due to plentiful room for a year long accumulation of data.
Fix the BS!
Usually I'm on Apple's side with most of these lawsuits, but from decades of experience with this company, it's no doubt that lately the greed is getting worse.
What's with 8GB iPhones getting introduced in the following year as the "new entry model" when the next gen top class comes out and the previous version minimum being 16GB? All awhile the OS, the engine of makes the device what it is, getting larger and larger.
Not only does the OS take up 20%+ but the live "cache", aka "OTHER" storage can easily take up another 50% or more, leaving you with about 2GB of real storage on a $500 "entry level" iPhone, pushing you to buy the $700+ version.
I'm an Apple fan since the 80s, but c'mon fanboys, you gotta admit Apple's milking us these days. 7 years after the introduction of the 1st iPhone, 32GB should be the standard by now and 64/128/256 the "upgrade" for the pro users.
Why? Coz 32GB microSD 80MB/s "extreme plus" cards cost $25 retail on sale now. If I plonk down $500 for a "smart" phone, I expect 5% of that to go towards decent amount of USER STORAGE.
What insults me is that Apple after introducing say the iPhone 4/4S/5 with a min of 16GB in their introduction years, they halve it to 8GB in the following year with nigh on the same price.
Stop defending Apple in every instance. They make great products but they coerce us with non-downgradable iOS devices and "functionally crippled" entry level versions.
When you buy a car, you know the engine takes up a 25-30% of the space of the vehicle and you're not lied to by advertising 6 seater space, when you only have 4 or 5 seats actually. I've met many non-tech users that think when they buy a 16GB device that they'll actually get 16GB and are disappointed when their iTunes App shows them only 12 or less (with the "other" obscure phantom).
Wouldn't it be better to set expectations low and then exceed in experience ?
Personally, I'm tired of ALL the BS marketing no matter who the company.
Airlines advertising $199 tickets that cost you $400+ in the end.
We're being lied to all the time and I'm hoping that one of these lawsuits will stick and force companies to advertise ACTUAL USABLE space!!
The EU is leading in these efforts, but in the US over-promising and under-delivering is the norm.
Usually I'm on Apple's side with most of these lawsuits, but from decades of experience with this company, it's no doubt that lately the greed is getting worse.
What's with 8GB iPhones getting introduced in the following year as the "new entry model" when the next gen top class comes out and the previous version minimum being 16GB? All awhile the OS, the engine of makes the device what it is, getting larger and larger.
Not only does the OS take up 20%+ but the live "cache", aka "OTHER" storage can easily take up another 50% or more, leaving you with about 2GB of real storage on a $500 "entry level" iPhone, pushing you to buy the $700+ version.
I'm an Apple fan since the 80s, but c'mon fanboys, you gotta admit Apple's milking us these days. 7 years after the introduction of the 1st iPhone, 32GB should be the standard by now and 64/128/256 the "upgrade" for the pro users.
Why? Coz 32GB microSD 80MB/s "extreme plus" cards cost $25 retail on sale now. If I plonk down $500 for a "smart" phone, I expect 5% of that to go towards decent amount of USER STORAGE.
What insults me is that Apple after introducing say the iPhone 4/4S/5 with a min of 16GB in their introduction years, they halve it to 8GB in the following year with nigh on the same price.
Stop defending Apple in every instance. They make great products but they coerce us with non-downgradable iOS devices and "functionally crippled" entry level versions.
When you buy a car, you know the engine takes up a 25-30% of the space of the vehicle and you're not lied to by advertising 6 seater space, when you only have 4 or 5 seats actually. I've met many non-tech users that think when they buy a 16GB device that they'll actually get 16GB and are disappointed when their iTunes App shows them only 12 or less (with the "other" obscure phantom).
Wouldn't it be better to set expectations low and then exceed in experience ?
Personally, I'm tired of ALL the BS marketing no matter who the company.
Airlines advertising $199 tickets that cost you $400+ in the end.
We're being lied to all the time and I'm hoping that one of these lawsuits will stick and force companies to advertise ACTUAL USABLE space!!
The EU is leading in these efforts, but in the US over-promising and under-delivering is the norm.
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