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it would probably cost them 5 cents to upgrade to 32gb as a base model. I honestly wouldn't have purchased the 64gb if it was available and apple will NEVER sacrifice their margins, hence why this still hasn't happened.

Yes by selling 32GB as base model I understand that 64GB or 128GB model will be less appealing.

Problem is, with meagre 16GB being the base, people would just go with 64GB and ignore 16GB in most cases. It's only $100 more for 4x more storage. In any case, customers will have general preference and one model will be more popular than the others, but fixing the base model will always be a popular move. Not to mention it's easier to differentiate current iPhone with last year's model (iPhone 6/6+ starts with 32GB while the 5S crippled at 16GB. That would be less awkward)
 
Makes sense. When you advertise 16gb iphones, a consumer doesn't possess sufficient general knowledge to expect that the OS will actually eat up 20% of their formatted space which isn't even 16gb but more like 13.6gb, take away some 3gb and you got 10gb of storage space in a day and time where comparable capacities by themselves, say usb stick or sd/microsd sell for under 10 dollars commonly.

iPhones are a bit of a rabbit in a hat that way.
 
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Seriously Apple, it costs very very little to increase storage to a 32GB base model, but would greatly increase customer satisfaction with the products. The cost-to-benefit ratio would be in Apple's favor. Because even if it decreases the number of 64/128GB phones sold, in the long run it will lead to much happier customers, which will increase sales down the road.

MORE than half the time one of my friends tries to upgrade to iOS 8 they get the message that they don't have enough space to do so. That's ridiculous.

It's 2015, it's time to move the base model to 32GB. Hell, in all honestly, 2013 was the year, it's truly ridiculous that Apple is selling a $750 phone with a measly 16GB of non-expandable storage.

You know what Apple wants more money :D that's why they made OS so big for 16GB model and discontinued 32GB model. And the result is customers like us end up buying 64GB or higher models. Guess what just for 48GB flash we are paying $100 bucks extra which is ridiculously high (generally $0.5/GB or less).

Of-course no push ;)
 
Actually, I regularly exceed the epa sticker for mileage on my car. And that is with the car being 9 years old and in factory unmodified condition.

It all depends on how you drive. But I average 5 to 10 mpg better than factory sticker for the best mpg.

That's in mixed driving. If I only drive highways for a tank, I can exceed it by 20 mpg.

Wow.... You are a 1 in a 100 billion guy... Lucky you...
 
Would be nice

to know before hand how much space is available to the user and what is locked. My 6+ has 114gb available, 14 gbs is reserved. Of course I am not complaining as I bought 128gb knowing it's the max available. The issue I have with 16gb is for those who have 16gb iPads or iPhones and they come to you complaining about pop up messages stating that they don't have enough memory to download an app or perform the software update. You look and they have a few apps and some pictures and some music on there, you realize that there isn't much they can do except remove the few apps they do have. Good luck explaining to them that they need to upgrade to a 32gb iPhone or iPad when they just want to use the one they got. I would love to see Apple be generous and bump the standard to 32gb for all i devices since they don't want to add a SD or Micro SD card slot.
 
to know before hand how much space is available to the user and what is locked. My 6+ has 114gb available, 14 gbs is reserved. Of course I am not complaining as I bought 128gb knowing it's the max available. The issue I have with 16gb is for those who have 16gb iPads or iPhones and they come to you complaining about pop up messages stating that they don't have enough memory to download an app or perform the software update. You look and they have a few apps and some pictures and some music on there, you realize that there isn't much they can do except remove the few apps they do have. Good luck explaining to them that they need to upgrade to a 32gb iPhone or iPad when they just want to use the one they got. I would love to see Apple be generous and bump the standard to 32gb for all i devices since they don't want to add a SD or Micro SD card slot.

Wrong, you as so many others don't seem to get it, if you read through this thread you would have known why this is, here is one who does get it, there are more posts which explains it.

It's ridiculous. Every device/drive where the OS is stored on the same storage space as the user addressable space will utilize some of that storage. Not to mention the whole GB (1GB byte = 1,000,000,000 bytes) to GiB (1Gib = 1,073,741,824 bytes) conversion where an advertised 32GB capacity is really only ~29.8GiB available to the user BEFORE anything consumed by formatting or OS load. That's 7% off the top.


So, there is no 14 GB taken by the OS alone.
128/1.073741824 = 119.20928955078125 minus the OS install which they say is around 4 GB
 
I think it's a disaster that Apple still hasn't upped 16 GB models to 32 GB. The last price reduction consumers saw was in 2008 when Apple reduced iPod touch prices by € 100 or something. (32 for the price of 16 GB, etc.).

That's over six years ago! :mad:
 
I think it's a disaster that Apple still hasn't upped 16 GB models to 32 GB. The last price reduction consumers saw was in 2008 when Apple reduced iPod touch prices by € 100 or something. (32 for the price of 16 GB, etc.).

That's over six years ago! :mad:

Agreed. IRS time for 32GB to the base model and then double it from there all the way to 256GB. Period. No more excuses.

Of course, the cranky miserable shareholders will have none of it. :rolleyes:
 
I think it's a disaster that Apple still hasn't upped 16 GB models to 32 GB. The last price reduction consumers saw was in 2008 when Apple reduced iPod touch prices by € 100 or something. (32 for the price of 16 GB, etc.).

That's over six years ago! :mad:
Realty check: every competitor still sell 16 Gb model as base model.
Galaxy S5, HTC One M8, Xperia Z3.... all of them sold in the 16 Gb variant as base model.
 
They will never do that. Not worth it for them. THEY WANT YOU TO BUY A NEW DEVICE WITH MORE MEMORY !!! :mad:

No, it's worse. They want you to be forced to get into their iCloud system, which is obviously inferior to having all your stuff on your device, always there when you need it. Apple really does suck -- unfortunately, they all do.

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Just to jump in here. I agree.

And just to jump in myself, I totally disagree.

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This is an abuse of our legal system to bring such a suit. I agree that Apple's memory storage scheme is ridiculous from a consumer standpoint, but if we don't like it, we can always buy Android or Windows.
I think the gravamen of the argument is that they already bought the device with iOS 7 and then found themselves in a squeeze if they wanted to keep the device current when the upgrade occurred. That was the problem I had with a 64 5S.
 
Realty check: every competitor still sell 16 Gb model as base model.
Galaxy S5, HTC One M8, Xperia Z3.... all of them sold in the 16 Gb variant as base model.

on which of these phones can you add an sd card?
 
Giving their limitations KitKat imposed over SD cards, who cares?

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Not to speak about the bloatware Android manufacturers like to add

On which of those phones can you offload the operating system?

none and obviously removable storage is never the same as built in but either way the original question is not a fair one.

for keeping lots of media it works
 
Giving their limitations KitKat imposed over SD cards, who cares?

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Not to speak about the bloatware Android manufacturers like to add

Resolved in Lollipop. And my apple devices have "bloatware" in that there are several Apple apps I have no need or use for.

It goes both ways.
 
If you are buying an 8GB device in 2014-2015, I'm thinking you aren't all that concerned about space.

That's what you'd think. The problem is that 8GB is not even enough for email, chat history, and a few apps, because iOS takes up most of it.

Syncing a couple of email accounts can quickly take >1GB. If you want to keep chat history, that gets big quickly. And you'll want some free space if you want to take photos. You're talking a few GBs for that if you're going on vacation somewhere nice.

So even if you don't care about having videos and music on the phone, you still run into problems. It's a bad user experience.

So I agree with the premise of this lawsuit. Apple should be upfront about the usable space for data on their devices. Not sell something as "8GB", for example, when in reality there's somewhere < 4GB actually available.
 
So I agree with the premise of this lawsuit. Apple should be upfront about the usable space for data on their devices. Not sell something as "8GB", for example, when in reality there's somewhere < 4GB actually available.

I agree with the premise - but for all manufacturers. They really are all guilty of not adequately informing the public what space is usable.

Some argue that OS size changes over time. Acceptable argument except that at time of purchase and generally speaking, a manufacturer can approximate how much usable space is left. If if its a statement similar to current user space is approximately 6-8 gigs. Future OS updates make increase or decrease this usable space.
 
Resolved in Lollipop. And my apple devices have "bloatware" in that there are several Apple apps I have no need or use for.

It goes both ways.

Here we are, Android supporters in full defensive mode :D

I beg your pardon, exactly how many models received lollipop so far ? 1% of the installed base ? :D:D:D

And again NO, Apple doesn't put 2/3 apps to do basically the same thing like many Android OEMs
 
Why doesn't apple put sd slot on iphones?. I have an iphone 5c 8 gigas and Im always deleting apps to put new ones. This is sad.
kudos for samsung for not being a stubborn ass.
 
Here we are, Android supporters in full defensive mode :D

I beg your pardon, exactly how many models received lollipop so far ? 1% of the installed base ? :D:D:D

And again NO, Apple doesn't put 2/3 apps to do basically the same thing like many Android OEMs

Or perhaps I'm just correcting your incorrect statement. You are obviously ignorant on your knowledge of Android and have a constant need to slam it. Shame you can't just enjoy what you have and speak to its merits instead of worrying about something you're never likely to even use.

As for me - I have iOS, Windows and Android devices. There are pluses and minuses to them all.
 
As others have stated, why do you feel that only Apple should have to do this? An OS taking up space on a device is not any different than any other device with storage space.

And as others have also pointed out, iOS takes up a smaller percentage of the available space than most other manufacturers phones - shouldnt they be the first target? Didnt reviewers immediately report that the Microsoft Surface 8GB was useless purchase because it ends up with like 2gb of available space?

Actually an OS taking space on a device prior to apple used to have its own ROM.. separate to the storage space.

its APPLE that begun the move to a single storage pool and the classification of the device as a computer (something i stated originally that you cut from your quote).

Computers grew and the storage space you got you expected to have to fill a portion of it with an OS to make it usable.

Phones however didnt have this, phones were usable as phones without the need to add storage, sure, camera phones came that you could add a card to so you could easily transfer photos from the phone to a computer, and later smart phones arrived that you could store apps and MP3s as well as those photos, but in all that time, the storage was seperate to the OS.

Then the iPhone came along, and the OS went from having its own ROM to sharing the pool of memory the user uses..

Prior to the iPhone if a phone had 8GB of space (or 4Mb or whatever) that space was space you, the consumer, could use (formatting size may be slightly smaller) but the phone would work without that. because the OS was on a separate chip.

Microsoft, samsung and others have all followed apples path for their phones and tablets because, hey, not having to put in a flash chip for the OS and stiffing the consumer on space = easy $$$ (im NOT counting the Surface tablets that run full WINDOWS, they are computers and i would expect them to be treated as such , but android and RT tablets could easily have a separate OS rom like the phones)
 
Or perhaps I'm just correcting your incorrect statement. You are obviously ignorant on your knowledge of Android and have a constant need to slam it. Shame you can't just enjoy what you have and speak to its merits instead of worrying about something you're never likely to even use.

As for me - I have iOS, Windows and Android devices. There are pluses and minuses to them all.

Except I'm actually using lollipop....


I ask you again: how many users like me ? Less than 1% .....
Reality check, on Android KitKat is not even at 40% of installed.

So SD card support is a problem for the majority of Android users.
 

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