Here's an idea - if you plan on using the phone as more than a phone, don't cheap out and go for the lowest level.
Guess what? Samsung has entry level phones with LESS than 8GB to start off with.
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Apple Hit With Class Action Lawsuit Over Large iOS 8 Storage Space
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Here's an idea - if you plan on using the phone as more than a phone, don't cheap out and go for the lowest level.
Guess what? Samsung has entry level phones with LESS than 8GB to start off with.
Revenue comes before customer satisfaction.
There are plenty of 16 Gb happy users.
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Go make a phone call with a SD card then....
This is a non issue and a wasted lawsuit that will fail.
However the iCloud photo stream is an area of storage apple is due a lawsuit on. You get 5gb free great but often you are required to buy more without the ability to manage the photos in bulk.
It's a slightly complex situation. If you have iCloud photos beta turned on all your photos are being synced and stored. But when you fill up your 5gb to remove excess or old photos is almost impossible. You cannot set limits on what photos are stored so are always forced to upgrade of you have lots of photos on your devices regardless of whether you want them in the cloud. If you want to manage them you need to select and click many hundreds of times to delete older photos. The only other way is to turn iCloud photo stream off and wait 30 days for it to delete them all!
I don't think I explained that very well but it's really a function that is broken and forces many simple folk to upgrade their iCloud space when there is no reason to do so!
Anyone else get me?
However the iCloud photo stream is an area of storage apple is due a lawsuit on. You get 5gb free great but often you are required to buy more without the ability to manage the photos in bulk.
It's a slightly complex situation. If you have iCloud photos beta turned on all your photos are being synced and stored. But when you fill up your 5gb to remove excess or old photos is almost impossible. You cannot set limits on what photos are stored so are always forced to upgrade of you have lots of photos on your devices regardless of whether you want them in the cloud. If you want to manage them you need to select and click many hundreds of times to delete older photos. The only other way is to turn iCloud photo stream off and wait 30 days for it to delete them all!
I don't think I explained that very well but it's really a function that is broken and forces many simple folk to upgrade their iCloud space when there is no reason to do so!
Anyone else get me?
Even without the limitations internal storage is always better than using SD cards. I've been using android and SD cards since gingerbread and I always ran out of space on devices with only 16GB of internal storage.
But it applies to EVERY MODEL equally. The OS takes up whatever space it takes up. And yes they DO market Macs based on a variety of specs including hard drive storage size. Not only does the 1TB drive my Mac Mini came with NOT give me 1TB free (due to formatting), but the OS has to go on it as well so my "1TB Drive" doesn't have 1TB free! I should SUE!!!!!!
NOT.
That could be said for any feature of a phone. Happy with the old resolution, camera etc... at ome point everything needs to be upgraded to be a more universal device for all. There is zero reason to still have 16GB today and this goes for all companies.
8GB is a joke at any entry point. Without expandable storage it is not so great yet the only reason some can get away with it is because said device is either much cheaper and or the next level is under fifty vs a hundred.
I hope they win, and I hope that as a result all phones, regardless of brand, must be labelled:
1) Total Storage
2) Available Storage
OS Upgrades should also list how much space the new OS will take up, or how much more than the old one.
Many people don't realize when they're buying a phone that they don't get the full storage size. I originally [on my first smartphone] naively assumed that the storage space would be actual "storage space".
I'm also not usually the naive one.
My point is the more clarity we're given about our products the better.
1) Total Storage
2) Available Storage
OS Upgrades should also list how much space the new OS will take up, or how much more than the old one.
Many people don't realize when they're buying a phone that they don't get the full storage size. I originally [on my first smartphone] naively assumed that the storage space would be actual "storage space".
I'm also not usually the naive one.
My point is the more clarity we're given about our products the better.
So many people say "X GB is way too low for a minimum config." Well, I have to say that for many people, they never even get close to even filling the cheapest model of the iPhone. If 8GB or 16GB is not enough for you, pay for the higher capacity. However, the cheapest iPhone models offer plenty for a very large number of people.
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I have to applaud Microsoft on this one. They have a webpage that lists all the varieties of the Surface and how much free space you get with them. Of course, I don't think it's on the box...
http://www.microsoft.com/surface/en-us/support/storage
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I have to applaud Microsoft on this one. They have a webpage that lists all the varieties of the Surface and how much free space you get with them. Of course, I don't think it's on the box...
http://www.microsoft.com/surface/en-us/support/storage
As I talked about above that could apply to several features. It is so cheap to make the 32GB at the current 16GB price point there is no reason not to aside from being cheap. A dumb phone hs enough for many people so I am with the thought of making it a bit more universal and ready just in case.
Now that the upcoming A9 SoC for the iPhone and iPad is going to the 14 nanometer process for producing the chip, Apple should make the iPhone and iPod touch at 32 GB minimum (iPhone 32, 64 and 128 GB; iPod touch in 32, 64, 128 and possibly even 256 GB).
The point isn't that the OS takes up SOME space, it's that it takes up to 23.1% of advertised space. Did your Windows OS take up 231GB of the 1TB drive that came with your PC? Didn't think so...
The surface pro ships with 29 gb free out of 64gb. That is way worse. You can recover 7 gb of it if you want.
Totally agree - Apple should bump up the minimum specs to 32GB or even 64GB, the difference in costs would be minimal. But I guess Apples like to charge the $100 - $200 premium they can get for the memory.
Or, just tuck a MicroSD slot somewhere on the next model and make people really happy.
There are reasons. Price is the main reason.
My previous iPhone 5S was the 16 Gb model and I had 4,3 Gb left ( with iCloud photo enabled, 2,1 Gb without). And I'm not a casual user, with Pages, Numbers, Tom Tom USA and Canada, Navigon Europe and Runtastic installed.
There are people with less heavy apps installed.
My iPad has 2,7 Gb of free storage left.
I take photos and music in the cloud and just a selection on my devices
Clean out "Others"; use Cloud
Apparently Apollo 11 made do with a 64kb computer on its trip to moon. With computer memory getting cheaper, it's easy to get lazy about housekeeping. If you've got 8 or 16 GB iPhone or iPad and tons of photos, music or other stuff, just these two tips could free up plenty space:
1) Move what you can to iCloud, Dropbox, Box or other cloud services
2) Once a month, connect your iDevice to computer and look at the usage bar in iTunes. If "Other" is running into GBs, clean up: Only takes a few minutes. See http://www.igeeksblog.com/how-to-remove-other-data-from-iphone
Apparently Apollo 11 made do with a 64kb computer on its trip to moon. With computer memory getting cheaper, it's easy to get lazy about housekeeping. If you've got 8 or 16 GB iPhone or iPad and tons of photos, music or other stuff, just these two tips could free up plenty space:
1) Move what you can to iCloud, Dropbox, Box or other cloud services
2) Once a month, connect your iDevice to computer and look at the usage bar in iTunes. If "Other" is running into GBs, clean up: Only takes a few minutes. See http://www.igeeksblog.com/how-to-remove-other-data-from-iphone
You don't need to delete content to install an iOS update.
Just connect your iPhone to your computer running iTunes, download via there and problem solved.
The difference being is that other manufacturers state that "user available memory" is less due to OS etc. Whereas Apple has nothing of the sort on their tech specs.
Personally I have no idea why Apple cannot be upfront, if only to negate any future lawsuits.
I will wager that Apple will put some disclaimer on all their tech specs after this trial is over, whether they lose or win.
so if it passes the max(it) test then all opinions to the contrary are invalid?
you could find someone using 4 or 8 gig and it working for them.
hell they could have kept it 16-32-64 if its purely price reasons. do you know how much more the 16 is to the 8 and the 32 is to the 16?
It depends upon what the intended purpose of the lawsuit is. (hint: the stated purpose may not be the intended one)
Apple is huge. Their customer base, massive. They're in a "take it or leave it" mindset at this point with regard to how much effect customers have in shaping their products. An individual customer has essentially no voice... but gathered together they might.
It was only after consistent and persistent noise by a handful that Apple relented and provided the ability for iOS users to remove the update installer from their devices (introduced with iOS 7, or maybe 7.1) whenever a new version of iOS was made available.
In a similar way, perhaps this lawsuit is to draw attention to Apple's storage options, and get people thinking.
Apple fans embrace the "take it or leave it" and defend Apple against those who would want Apple to change, telling those who are not in lock-step with Cupertino to "then go buy an Android device".
They did the same thing with screen sizes (both larger and smaller) until people DID go to Android for larger screens on their smartphones and smaller screens on their tablets.... Apple had an "oh, snap!" moment and produced the iPad Mini and the iPhone 6/6+
So while there may be no merit to the lawsuit in what it claims, it appears to have put some focus on the conversation... which might've been their intention all along.
Since all the major OEM are producing 16 Gb versions of their flagship, yes, my experience counts more than whining on a forum.
And yes, I perfectly know how prices vary between NAND size.
Yeah, the iOS takes up way too much storage space and so many built in apps I wish I could delete (stocks, weather, iMessage etc.)
I can see how this makes having the 16gb useless, especially if you like taking photos/video. Like many others have mentioned in other threads, Apple is ripping people off by not offering 32gb of storage out of the gate.
I can see how this makes having the 16gb useless, especially if you like taking photos/video. Like many others have mentioned in other threads, Apple is ripping people off by not offering 32gb of storage out of the gate.
but your opinion and experience is valid for nobody but yourself. so feel free to share it but to be so disrespectful to just call it whining if other people use their device differently is pathetic.
and for the second time since you have the option of adding an sd card its a disingenuous justification to say that apple isnt the only one offering just 16 gig.
post the difference in prices.
SD card under Android 4.4 are a waste of money.... For the second time.
And my personal experience being backed up by OEM commercial policy are valid for the market. Clearly not for well known Apple bashers on this forum....