Apple Hit With Class Action Lawsuit Over Large iOS 8 Storage Space

[numlock]

SD card under Android 4.4 are a waste of money.... For the second time.
And my personal experience being backed up by OEM commercial policy are valid for the market. Clearly not for well known Apple bashers on this forum....

sd cards are a waste of money because they dont fit your particular usage scenario? anyway you are justifying apples calculated decision with a software issue in one particular os version

who are the well known apple bashers on this forum?

 

[samcraig]

sd cards are a waste of money because they dont fit your particular usage scenario? anyway you are justifying apples calculated decision with a software issue in one particular os version

who are the well known apple bashers on this forum?

The fact that I can add 32mb (the card I have) to my Android phone for videos and photos (alone) is of value. Regardless of any OS limitations which have been lifted in Lollipop anyway.

 

[numlock]

The fact that I can add 32mb (the card I have) to my Android phone for videos and photos (alone) is of value. Regardless of any OS limitations which have been lifted in Lollipop anyway.

exactly my point.

i assume you mean gb and not mb though

 

[samcraig]

exactly my point.

i assume you mean gb and not mb though

LOL -yes. Silly autocorrect

GB.

I really can't understand why anyone would be arguing against flexible storage options. It's a no brainer. It's an advantage. Whether you have 128GB in your device or 8gb - having the flexibility to add your own is only a plus. There's no downside.

 

[Max(IT)]

The downside is the ugly design needed and the unreliable nature of SD cards.

 

[sracer]

I really can't understand why anyone would be arguing against flexible storage options. It's a no brainer. It's an advantage. Whether you have 128GB in your device or 8gb - having the flexibility to add your own is only a plus. There's no downside.

I agree there is no downside inherent in supporting removable storage. It's obvious that Apple has a very strong financial interest in not providing that for their phones, tablets, and portable media players. Apple's pricing strategy on those devices is evidence that it is the overwhelming reason why Apple doesn't offer it.

The downside is the ugly design needed and the unreliable nature of SD cards.

The design doesn't need to be any more "ugly" than SIM cards in the iPhone and iPad.

Have SD cards proven to generally unreliable (or unreliable enough not to be trusted)? What removable storage options do high-end digital cameras use? I was under the impression that they use SD cards.

 

[samcraig]

I agree there is no downside inherent in supporting removable storage. It's obvious that Apple has a very strong financial interest in not providing that for their phones, tablets, and portable media players. Apple's pricing strategy on those devices is evidence that it is the overwhelming reason why Apple doesn't offer it.



The design doesn't need to be any more "ugly" than SIM cards in the iPhone and iPad.

Have SD cards proven to generally unreliable (or unreliable enough not to be trusted)? What removable storage options do high-end digital cameras use? I was under the impression that they use SD cards.

I guess having a removable battery helps too since the sim and SD card have no external design impact

 

[Max(IT)]

I agree there is no downside inherent in supporting removable storage. It's obvious that Apple has a very strong financial interest in not providing that for their phones, tablets, and portable media players. Apple's pricing strategy on those devices is evidence that it is the overwhelming reason why Apple doesn't offer it.



The design doesn't need to be any more "ugly" than SIM cards in the iPhone and iPad.

Have SD cards proven to generally unreliable (or unreliable enough not to be trusted)? What removable storage options do high-end digital cameras use? I was under the impression that they use SD cards.

Reality check: you have to add another slot, because the SIM card is still needed.

SD cards on digital camera are not designed to permanently store data. They are meant to be used for a short period of time. Pictures are downloaded on a computer for post processing/print and discharged. Any professional photographer changed those cards before they became unreliable.

 

[sracer]

Reality check: you have to add another slot, because the SIM card is still needed.

No need for the snarky "reality check". Not all iPhones have SIM cards. I suppose I should've known that I need to spell things out. My point in mentioning SIM cards is that they too require design to support the insertion and removal of a card. There is no "ugliness" in the iPhone design for those iPhones with SIM cards.

There is equal design "ugliness" for a SIM-less iPhone that supports a microSD card as there is for a SIM-enabled iPhone that doesn't. Adding support for a microSD card is not going to increase the ugly factor of the iPhone.

The "ugly" design argument is pretty weak in addition to being silly.

SD cards on digital camera are not designed to permanently store data. They are meant to be used for a short period of time. Pictures are downloaded on a computer for post processing/print and discharged. Any professional photographer changed those cards before they became unreliable.

You conveniently ignored the other part of my question, specifically, "Have SD cards proven to generally be unreliable (or unreliable enough not to be trusted)?"

You are giving the impression that SD cards are moments away from losing all data.

 

[Max(IT)]

No need for the snarky "reality check". Not all iPhones have SIM cards. I suppose I should've known that I need to spell things out. My point in mentioning SIM cards is that they too require design to support the insertion and removal of a card. There is no "ugliness" in the iPhone design for those iPhones with SIM cards.

There is equal design "ugliness" for a SIM-less iPhone that supports a microSD card as there is for a SIM-enabled iPhone that doesn't. Adding support for a microSD card is not going to increase the ugly factor of the iPhone.

The "ugly" design argument is pretty weak in addition to being silly.



You conveniently ignored the other part of my question, specifically, "Have SD cards proven to generally be unreliable (or unreliable enough not to be trusted)?"

You are giving the impression that SD cards are moments away from losing all data.

Yes, SD card have proven to be unreliable and you know well....
And your "not all iPhones have SIM cards" argument is the silly one: when they designed the iPhone they had to take SIM cards into consideration, being most of the iPhones sold not SIM free.

 

[Xiroteus]

The downside is the ugly design needed and the unreliable nature of SD cards.

I must be lucky so far, plus I always have backups, can imagine not having that as soon as possible with all data.

 

[samcraig]

Yes, SD card have proven to be unreliable and you know well....
And your "not all iPhones have SIM cards" argument is the silly one: when they designed the iPhone they had to take SIM cards into consideration, being most of the iPhones sold not SIM free.

My sim card and microSD card are behind the back case which I can open up and change the card, sim or battery at will. Further - I have had the same microSD card for about 4 years now and do heavy video and photographing with my phone. Not on error yet.

But yet you are still going to argue that having the option is a bad thing?

I guess you'll move whatever goalpost/justify anything out of your comfort zone to insinuate that Apple's way is the only way.

 

[KanosWRX]

This is so absurd. Some people are so evil and sue happy it's disgusting.

No selling a 16gb iPhone and only allowing 11gb useable is disgusting!! If your going to label it 16gb, then that's how much space should be available.. If Apple wasn't greedy and just released the 32gb model as the low end I bet this would not have happened.

 

[Max(IT)]

My sim card and microSD card are behind the back case which I can open up and change the card, sim or battery at will. Further - I have had the same microSD card for about 4 years now and do heavy video and photographing with my phone. Not on error yet.

But yet you are still going to argue that having the option is a bad thing?

I guess you'll move whatever goalpost/justify anything out of your comfort zone to insinuate that Apple's way is the only way.

In the same way you are constantly insinuating that Apple's way is the wrong way....
A back case that I can open just disgusting me, as I'm sure you are referring to the ugly back case of a Samsung phone.

 

[samcraig]

In the same way you are constantly insinuating that Apple's way is the wrong way....
A back case that I can open just disgusting me, as I'm sure you are referring to the ugly back case of a Samsung phone.

I think you've misunderstood. I am not saying Apple it the wrong way. I am saying that Apple's way is not the only way.

And if what other OEMs disgust you - well that's your baggage.

 

[Max(IT)]

I think you've misunderstood. I am not saying Apple it the wrong way. I am saying that Apple's way is not the only way.

And if what other OEMs disgust you - well that's your baggage.

Not "other OEMs": I'm specifically speaking about Samsung. I like construction quality and design of other OEMs like HTC or Sony.

 

[samcraig]

Not "other OEMs": I'm specifically speaking about Samsung. I like construction quality and design of other OEMs like HTC or Sony.

Well great for you.

None of your commentary has convinced me though that having a removable back is disgusting nor that having the option of a microSD card is a bad idea.

You dance around the "issue" but have failed to illustrate your point with any clarity.

 

[Max(IT)]

Well great for you.

None of your commentary has convinced me though that having a removable back is disgusting nor that having the option of a microSD card is a bad idea.

You dance around the "issue" but have failed to illustrate your point with any clarity.

I don't have to convince you.
The sales numbers of iPhone 6 , without a plastic ridiculous faux leather back plate and an SD card, compared to sales numbers of, for example, Samsung S5 with all your beloved optionals , tell me that my idea is not that crazy....

 

[samcraig]

I don't have to convince you.
The sales numbers of iPhone 6 , without a plastic ridiculous faux leather back plate and an SD card, compared to sales numbers of, for example, Samsung S5 with all your beloved optionals , tell me that my idea is not that crazy....

You keep missing the point or are being intentionally obtuse. Have a great evening.

 

[spjonez]

You conveniently ignored the other part of my question, specifically, "Have SD cards proven to generally be unreliable (or unreliable enough not to be trusted)?"

You are giving the impression that SD cards are moments away from losing all data.

I think the answer to this is two parts, and both sides have valid arguments.

1) Apple wants to make more money selling the storage upgrades themselves. You can either call them cheap or embrace cloud storage and have all your files in one place (paying for convenience).

2) SD cards are reliable. The main issue is read/write speeds, I know this first hand from owning multiple Raspberry Pi's. The variance between brands and class rating is astonishing. Class 10 is not always the fastest as counter intuitive as that may sound. Some are almost as good as on board storage, others are so slow it would literally cripple your device. Apple's logic here is probably that they want to ensure fast read/write speeds which you cannot do with any random brand of SD card. Putting a cheap SD card in a $900 iPhone will make it feel like a $50 phone when shooting photos/video.

For both points you can debate either side successfully depending on your specific needs and use cases.

 

[Reda24]

The fact that I can add 32mb (the card I have) to my Android phone for videos and photos (alone) is of value. Regardless of any OS limitations which have been lifted in Lollipop anyway.

It's not like these people probably don't have NUMEROUS video clips or videos on their devices.


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[NY Guitarist]

This is kind of like suing over a car advertised as a 4 seater because the car has room for only 3 passengers because the drivers seat is occupied.

 

[RebornProphet]

Are these guys new to iOS?

Devices have never given you the full advertised storage, there's always been a section partioned off for the OS. You've never had access to the full 16, 32, 64, etc.

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No selling a 16gb iPhone and only allowing 11gb useable is disgusting!! If your going to label it 16gb, then that's how much space should be available.. If Apple wasn't greedy and just released the 32gb model as the low end I bet this would not have happened.

Why are people focused on the 16GB model? This reduction of space is evident on every model at every capacity. You never get the amount of storage available, there's always a section partioned off for the OS. And being honest, it's been this way for years. My iPad Air with 32GB has 26.7GB available to the user. Should I sue?

Why is this being brought up now in court by a couple of newbies?

 

[samcraig]

This is kind of like suing over a car advertised as a 4 seater because the car has room for only 3 passengers because the drivers seat is occupied.

Horrible analogy.

Are these guys new to iOS?

Devices have never given you the full advertised storage, there's always been a section partioned off for the OS. You've never had access to the full 16, 32, 64, etc.

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Why are people focused on the 16GB model? This reduction of space is evident on every model at every capacity. You never get the amount of storage available, there's always a section partioned off for the OS. And being honest, it's been this way for years. My iPad Air with 32GB has 26.7GB available to the user. Should I sue?

Why is this being brought up now in court by a couple of newbies?

Because believe it or not, there are new people buying iOS devices all the time. And quite frankly - this isn't even an Apple issue. It's the whole industry that should be labeling devices correctly in my opinion. Apple's getting the flack because whoever filed clearly has Apple products.

 

[NY Guitarist]

Horrible analogy.

The absurdity was the point. :roll eyes: