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Apple Holding iPhone 4 Press Conference on Friday

They're probably going to announce something equivalent to the Toyota black box to find out what people are doing wrong.
Most likely it's people over 50 getting confused and hitting the "End" button
 
Archeriomc said:
I won't down load any more updates until I find out more about them. The new ios has screwed up my 3GS. I'm not impressed.
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That's your prerogative mate but the major point of an update is to fix problems that may appear in the previous version. If you don't update - you ain't gonna get fixed
 
klrobinson999 said:
Just like George W. did...oh, wait, he got softball questions from male escorts.....


http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Jeff_Gannon
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Like I said - everyone tends to do this. But that doesn't make it right. I respect those (Liberal and Conservative) that are willing to tackle the hard questions - especially in a case like Apple's where they have put out a deffective product. The issue isn't that only a small number of non-case loving iPhone4 fans are having problems and that most people aren't...it is the fact that there is a real problem with the hardware. If Steve Jobs is a man of integrity he will address this and not try and snow ball us.
 
There will be no free bumpers. There will be no recall. There will be no Apple Store credits.

There is no "antenna issue" for the majority of iPhone 4 users.

There will probably be an extended return window. Additionally, If someone were to walk into an Apple Store and bitch enough about dropped calls, they might convince a genius to swap their phone with one of these:
http://www.ifixit.com/blog/2010/07/is-apple-silently-fixing-the-iphone-4-antenna-issue/
 
2005CTS said:
The issue isn't that only a small number of non-case loving iPhone4 fans are having problems and that most people aren't...it is the fact that there is a real problem with the hardware. If Steve Jobs is a man of integrity he will address this and not try and snow ball us.
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Hey pal, you can return the phone with no penalty. Issue addressed. Enjoy your new Android device.
 
iOS 4.1 Up and running on iPhone 4, so far so good!

I got to tell ya, Since installing 4.1 last night and running Sig Test , so far so good , even better then 3gs.... Odd thing is , Apple May have been right about the misrepresentation of Sig bars and the error in formula, Before 4.1 I could hold it for about 2 min and would get no bars and Edge on bottom left ( Don't see why thats a issue anyway , unless you trying to do it to prove after a couple min the sig drops...) I have yet even with iOS 4 had a dropped call so is it possible this is much to do about nothing and a small portion of users that a hell bent on having a problem no matter what the solution is?

Who knows, My iPhone 4 works great, believe me if it didn't it would have went back, this update Beta 4.1 seems to have fixed the issue....
 
Here is how it will all go down.

AT&T hired an industrial spy to infiltrate apple and tweak the signal indicators to always show 2 more bars so AT&T's network wouldn't look so pathetic. The spy was a chinese foxconn employee, who hacked google to get to apple's engineers and subsequently the code. After the mission was accomplished the foxconn employee was terminated via "suicide".

Tomorrow Steve Jobs will announce that AT&T's network, gasp, is pathetic, and they have uncovered the conspiracy, and from here on out AT&T's true signal strength will be indicated via iOS 4.0.1. The culprit is AT&T's network.

He will then announce an agreement with Verizon.
 
KarlOlsson said:
I got to tell ya, Since installing 4.1 last night and running Sig Test , so far so good , even better then 3gs.... Odd thing is , Apple May have been right about the misrepresentation of Sig bars and the error in formula, Before 4.1 I could hold it for about 2 min and would get no bars and Edge on bottom left ( Don't see why thats a issue anyway , unless you trying to do it to prove after a couple min the sig drops...) I have yet even with iOS 4 had a dropped call so is it possible this is much to do about nothing and a small portion of users that a hell bent on having a problem no matter what the solution is?

Who knows, My iPhone 4 works great, believe me if it didn't it would have went back, this update Beta 4.1 seems to have fixed the issue....
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That's all you had to say to null and void your comment. A software issue WILL NOT fix a hardware one. Period. New bars, more bars, less bars - it doesn't change the fact that when you short those to antennas - signal for the phone takes a nose dive.

First person to tell me how software can fix that - gets a cookie.
 
I fail to grasp why everyone keeps saying the antenna issue predominantly affects lefties. I'm right-handed and take a wild guess which hand I hold the phone in when I'm using my right hand to utilize the touch screen with my right hand (hint: it's not my right hand).

Not to mention the fact that I hold the phone in my left hand all the ****ing time. Am I the only righty on the planet that *gasp* dares to hold anything in their left hand? Am I the only one who's had the radical idea of writing while on the phone?

Besides, nothing ruins the mood more than a dropped call during phone sex!
 
AbSoluTc said:
That's all you had to say to null and void your comment. A software issue WILL NOT fix a hardware one. Period. New bars, more bars, less bars - it doesn't change the fact that when you short those to antennas - signal for the phone takes a nose dive.

First person to tell me how software can fix that - gets a cookie.
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Increase power to antenna?
Re-calibrate the call drop trigger?
 
Well, I did go a TEST.....lol

dB holds up fine even with my Finger in that area after 4.1, I'm a Dev and have one with with 4.1 and one with 4.0 for the control so yes the dB on the first with 4.0 dropped - and no on the Second one with 4.1 installed, no Sig loss, So it looks like its not Just a GUI fix , Software fixed a Toyota.....(Prius Break issue)
 
tomccabe said:
The better question might be, why do you think you know everything about the tech in the phone as well as every user's experience? Please, enlighten me with your qualifications to speak on both of these points. I'd also LOVE to see your data and sources for the numbers posted above. Amazing that the problem happens to be "100 times". Apple can sure engineer a failure!
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I love how you get them to talk and eventually they prove they are exactly what they think they are.

1) that signal strength is 10,000 times 5 bar levels is just an established fact of how far they reach and the math of volume dilutions.

2) go back to high school - decibels are a logarithmic scale, a drop of 10 dB is a ten fold drop, a drop of 20 dB is a one hundred fold drop, a drop of 30 dB would be a one thousand fold drop. 3 different groups have gotten 18-24 dB drops with holding normally or a single finger - do the math.

I don't need to personally run tests for anything I said, I just need a brain that I've bothered to, well you know, fill with stuff.
 
bawbag said:
Increase power to antenna?
Re-calibrate the call drop trigger?
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Makes no difference. Even if the power increase somehow manages to stop the issue from happening, the amount of power needed will kill the battery much faster. So you go from a phone that drops data/cell signal when touched to one that doesn't last more than an hour.

Nice! :cool:
 
Ubuntu said:
But people do like it. I'd happily dispute any argument that the iPhone 4 isn't the best smartphone currently available. But at the same time the consumer is allowed to be unhappy about issues, defects, etc and not actually want to return the phone because they like it so much.
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Yup. They are very allowed. But should they complain? I don't know. Seems to me that if you make a conscious choice to keep a product with a defect, issue, etc. that you don't complain and whine about it. You have a choice to take it back or deal. Those are the only two choices until we find out more information tomorrow. At what point do we say "okay, this complaint is old". When they fix it? When they don't fix it? 2 months later? 2 years later?

Apple knows. Give them time to fix it or not. Then vote with your wallet.
 
Yebot said:
There will be no free bumpers. There will be no recall. There will be no Apple Store credits.

There is no "antenna issue" for the majority of iPhone 4 users.

There will probably be an extended return window. Additionally, If someone were to walk into an Apple Store and bitch enough about dropped calls, they might convince a genius to swap their phone with one of these:
http://www.ifixit.com/blog/2010/07/is-apple-silently-fixing-the-iphone-4-antenna-issue/
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Yep.

This press conference will be nothing more than a smoke and mirrors affair where Steve Jobs restates just how ingenious the design of the iPhone antenna is, and how everyone else on the planet just doesn't understand.

If Apple had a 100% fix that would eliminate this problem, do you think they would wait a full day before announcing it, letting speculation run rampant in the media. I read that if Apple were thinking of a recall, every day they wait would cost them roughly $200 million. Do you think they would wait a full day and lose just that much more money if a recall was forthcoming. And I like how "select media" is being invited to this conference. Translation, 'Apple ass kissers' who won't be too hard on Steve when he tries to shrug off the iPhone4's problems.........again.
 
They're not holding it after the market closes, so it must not be too financially damaging to them.
 
AbSoluTc said:
Makes no difference. Even if the power increase somehow manages to stop the issue from happening, the amount of power needed will kill the battery much faster. So you go from a phone that drops data/cell signal when touched to one that doesn't last more than an hour.

Nice! :cool:
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Really? - how much power would be needed?
 
AbSoluTc said:
Makes no difference. Even if the power increase somehow manages to stop the issue from happening, the amount of power needed will kill the battery much faster. So you go from a phone that drops data/cell signal when touched to one that doesn't last more than an hour.

Nice! :cool:
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Increasing power to the antenna is good for transmission only. The internal amplifier has no control over received signal.

If you amplify the received signal and it is garbled, you will be amplifying noise, resulting in a noisy strong signal which is as bad as a low signal.
 
Apple knew about the issue. They tried to band-aid it with the rubber condoms. They actually tried to make a profit from the iPhon4's known serious design flaw by selling said condoms. Apple has lost a lot of credibility because of this. Apple will be the butt of jokes in the media and consumers for a long time because of this and deservedly so.
 
hppy29 said:
Some of you guys really hack me off!

I admit that the press is going to town with apple over the signal issue, but thats not to say it isnt true or happening on some of the iphone4's.

If you are lucky enough to have a good phone and live in a good signal area, then I for one am very happy for you. But if you live in a poor reception area or travel and may enter into a poor reception area then it is a very real issue.

Now you could hold it in a different way or as suggested buy a case. But you do not buy a brand new car and spray it a different colour the next day. You do not buy a brand new house and reclad the outside to make you living in it feel better.

This is a phone, and before a better screen or extra features they have to get the basics right. The only reason why so many people have gone on about this is due to the fact that apple have burried their heads. People are waiting for apple to bring a resolve to this issue but I bet people are not as much in a hurry when the iphone 5 comes out or at least wont sell their mobiles as fast on ebay. Every day this so called "non issue" goes on apple will loose faith from alot of people... and not just the ones who post here. Apples reputation is one of its key selling points..

So.. some have the issue and have a right to complain, some do not have the issues for what ever reason and they have the right to say so... but dont go telling people its a non issue... when clearly it is!!

And before you ding dong back... with some useless dribble... I have an iphone 4, it doesnt always suffer the drop but in selected areas it does I will wait like many to see what apple suggest before I rant how good or bad apple are... after all its not just about the fault now... its how they resolve it!
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This is so simple: get a case, or return your phone for a fill refund. End of story! You don't really want to do that, though, you really just want to piss and moan about Apple.
 
If Apple comes out tomorrow and continues the "we're innocent, there is no issue" mantra and offers no real, acceptable solution, I'll be moving to Sprint for the EVO 4G and cancelling my planned fall iMac purchase and return the 2 iPhone 4's that I purchased. I've been faithful, but I can only handle so much cheating by the other party.
 
Razeus said:
If Apple comes out tomorrow and continues the "we're innocent, there is no issue" mantra and offers no real, acceptable solution, I'll be moving to Sprint for the EVO 4G and cancelling my planned fall iMac purchase and return the 2 iPhone 4's that I purchased. I've been faithful, but I can only handle so much cheating by the other party.
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What does the Mac have to do with the iPhone? :confused:
 
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