Apple Introduces 24" LED Cinema Display with Built-in iSight

[brucebrendon]

MBA Superdisc Supported...?

anyone know if this'll support the MBA Superdrive..?

If not, what a load of balls for MBA's!

I like that feature too but it would be nice if the monitor had more than just 3 USB Ports.

It could have been a legit docking station with an audio port so I can use my HK Soundsticks or headphones instead of it's built-in speakers (I'm betting so-so quality there), a few FW ports would have been sweet as well.

Really reaching here but an optical drive somewhere on/in it, would have been great for MBA users (save a port).

While we're at it put in a 320GB HD so we could use it for Time Machine (save another USB port)

Now that's a loaded External monitor/docking station!

 

[Jtuner77]

The more I read this the more pissed off I get....

 

[BenRoethig]

I like that feature too but it would be nice if the monitor had more than just 3 USB Ports.

It could have been a legit docking station with an audio port so I can use my HK Soundsticks or headphones instead of it's built-in speakers (I'm betting so-so quality there), a few FW ports would have been sweet as well.

Really reaching here but an optical drive somewhere on/in it, would have been great for MBA users (save a port).

While we're at it put in a 320GB HD so we could use it for Time Machine (save another USB port)

Now that's a loaded External monitor/docking station!

What would also been nice is a quick change connector for the the display. It would be a great idea, if it were able to be used with more than three computers.

 

[aygie]

Hdcp????

 

[BenRoethig]

I bet the next Mini (if it arrives) will be Display Port and use a Mag Safe connector so these screens can be used.

I think IF is the magic word when it comes to the mini. Its one of those computers that Jobs and Ive really don't understand and I think have given up on.

 

[Masklinn]

I actually did some research online about the differences between displayport and DVI, and it seems that a simple cable probably will not be enough to adapt the signal. The digital signal coming from displayport is different than what is sent from DVI, so a cable wouldn't be able to make the conversion...you'd probably need some kind of inline converter box to convert the signal from DVI to Displayport

You didn't do good enough researches, the DisplayPort spec allows you to push DVI or HDMI through a DisplayPort connector/cable. No need for a converter, you simply push a different signal and add an adapter.

 

[rtheb]

well for regular displayport yes, but this is "mini" so Apple probably has a provision where it can carry DVI signal.

Still, they should be using regular DP...you know, the ones other laptops/graphics cards/monitors use. Apple doesnt even have a minidp-dp connector to rip you off on if you, you know, want to use actual DP to connect to a real DP monitor. What a pathetic overpriced joke

Here is a link Re: Mini DisplayPort

http://blogs.zdnet.com/Apple/?p=2391

Apparently it is proprietary!

 

[xbjllb]

For those of you freaking out that this will only work with the new macbook/pro, Apple will release an adapter shortly to connect DVI and VGA. Don't be so crazy negative

And the price for the adapter? $250.

 

[whakojacko]

You didn't do good enough researches, the DisplayPort spec allows you to push DVI or HDMI through a DisplayPort connector/cable. No need for a converter, you simply push a different signal and add an adapter.

I know wiki isnt the most accurate thing, but ...
"Dual-mode DisplayPort is capable of backward compatibility with single link DVI/HDMI (active converter adapters or dongles are required for dual link DVI/HDMI and analog VGA)", which is what I thought...

Note: Apple sells a miniDP-VGA adapter.

I really think this is an Apple custom job, again. Where is my d*mn mini-dp to regular dp? Cmon Apple.

 

[xbjllb]

Good News And Bad News

The Good News? Steve is still alive, but just barely.

The Bad News? Apple, as pro users used to know it, is officially dead.

Time to move on.

 

[SpinThis!]

Sorry, but you have your panels mixed up. IPS panels are generally considered superior panels to PVA or TN panels.

For color and viewing angle, yes. For gaming and television use, not so much.

24", 14ms response

14 ms is most likely an "averaged" time. If people actually researched this stuff, they would find this is an abused spec and is certainly not the only spec to rely on here. In comparison, a CRT with a refresh of 80 hz actually has a "response time" of about 12 ms.

Some manufacturers like to claim a low response time but actually what's not published is the input lag. (For example, the Sammy 305T—people like to compare with the 30" ACD—has terrible input lag and crappy color out of the box but that doesn't stop people from recommending it over the Apple because it's cheaper.)

Again, I guess we don't know what type of panel this is, but one would assume that it's the same as the 24" iMac

... but with an LED backlight instead. The iMac uses is H-IPS IIRC; Apple doesn't publish those specs but TFTCentral lists 8 ms for the LG.Philps. LM240WU.

 

[pprior]

If this is the future of Apple's displays then all professionals that care about color are going to have to look elsewhere.

That's exactly what I'm doing. I have been waiting almost 2 years to buy an upgraded 30" ACD to replace 2 aging monitors. This release today has convinced me I'll be going HP or Eizo.

Steve, read my lips: I will NEVER buy a glossy monitor. They are HORRIBLE for photo editing if you can't completely control light around. The you tube generation may love them, but for serious work they are a joke.

 

[bgarlock]

Open mouth. Insert foot.
http://www.etech4sale.com/412430/dell-ultrasharp-2407wfp-black-24.html

FYI: That is for a *refurbished* unit.

 

[Benjamindaines]

I keep hearing that but why nobody explains why?

First of all Apple's whole idea behind the glossy displays is that they make the colors richer and more "beautiful"; which is a huge problem for graphics professionals that need a true representation of color rather than an "enriched" one. Secondly, the glossy coat to the screen makes them extremely hard to calibrate using something like a Huey Pro, and glass is even worse.

 

[Neuroguy]

F MacBook Air using the new industry-standard Mini DisplayPort connector. Other display connectors have you lining up pins or fumbling with screws. But the Mini DisplayPort connector is easy in, easy out."

Yes, industry standard. Not compatible with ANYTHING. Perfect.

 

[Jtuner77]

Ok here is my gripe, I have a new Mac Pro tower, 2 2600 video cards, LG drive to copy and burn BR9will be using windows till hopefully snow leopard comes out that will support BR data), i was holding out on buying two HD/HDCP compatible Monitors(hoping they would releasing the new 30" CD today) but I would even settle for the 24" displays, but now that it is only Mini DisplayPort capable,

1)do i have to wait for an adapter cable from DVI to Mini DP
2)is the new CD HD/HDCP compatible
3)how much is this stupid adapter going to cost

OR

Should I just wait and see when the plug comes out or just say F it and go buy 2 24" Dell screens that AREN'T glossy?

Answers, views, opinions please

 

[tonyl]

If this display uses IPS panel, then $899 price tag isn't bad. You can look other display with IPS panels, they are more expensive. I just don't get it, why Apple designs one display only for Laptops? Are they going to release other new displays later with non-glossy panels? Or they think current models are good enough?

 

[Neuroguy]

Sad Day

OR

Should I just wait and see when the plug comes out or just say F it and go buy 2 24" Dell screens that AREN'T glossy?

Answers, views, opinions please

It's a sad day when my advice is to BUY the DELL

If Steve wants to force our hands.. we may be fanboys, but we are not going to drink the kool-aid if what he is offering has NONE of the features we want. Heck, is "compatible with-our-top-of-the-line-desktop" even considered a feature? Should be a no-brainer.

 

[tonyl]

Yes, industry standard. Not compatible with ANYTHING. Perfect.

this reminds me the ADC connector.

 

[Wild-Bill]

....dont buy it?

And to all those people saying stuff about the economy, apple seems to always manage to do better year by year, the market will recover and apple knows this.

Typical fanboy comment.

Maybe if put more effort into reading posts before you quote them, and less energy into trolling, you would see I already stated I will NOT be buying one.

 

[HiRez]

What will us pro shooters do now that Apple appears to be removing matte screens across the line? Especially for the MacBook Pro's, it now looks like we'll no longer have the ability for true color editing on the road. Apple really needs to offer an HD-matte option for at least their 17inch MBP, if not the 15" as well. Their cinema displays should also be available in both flavors too.

And you think you were getting color accuracy with the old MacBook Pro displays? Not even close. A glossy screen does not reduce color accuracy, it actually improves it by giving more accurate black levels, which means more accurate chroma saturation. And, they are sharper than matte screens because the light is not being diffused on the way out of the screen. Then, these screens are LED which (compared to older LCD) should compensate somewhat by giving a more even light. That DOES affect color accuracy, in a positive way.

Of course you will get more glare, but you will not get good color accuracy out of any current laptop screen, matte or glossy. I do agree with you though that matte screens should at least be an option for people who work in harsh or uncertain lighting conditions.

 

[Carl Spackler]

I can't believe this notebook accessory won't work with my desktop. rar!

 

[Adjei]

I think the thing you guys are missing is that Apple views this as an separate line from the main Cinema Display line. They still have the 22", 24" and 30" displays for professionals, while this one is squarely aimed at the consumer market, with the iSight and mic and all that.

You can see this fact on the LED Cinema Display page itself - on the lower left, there's a icon about the regular displays. You guys who want firewire and DVI and matte, the older line is for you.

Why waste your time explaining to people who don't want to hear?

 

[ImageWrangler]

Well, though I agree with almost everyone, I think what's being missed in all this, it's not an LCD, it's LED, which IS more expensive, in fact, Dull, HP, etc. is still using LCDs, which are not only not environmentally as friendly, they're also a bit dimmer, don't warm up as fast, nor are they as bright.

In fact find me a cheaper LED display. And LED is much nicer than LCD, I know, I work on both. Sooo, yeah, it makes sense it's more expensive for now, the only dumb thing would be for Apple to leave it at this price point as the technology comes along, which THEN it's okay to gripe about the price.

As far as the gloss-only option though... I wonder if Jobs can see the back of his molars consider that's how far up his you know what his head has to be to give professionals that as the only option.

 

[vanne]

Where is the Firewire port????!!!!

and the audio connector??