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Apple Investigating Two Possible iPhone 8 Plus Battery Failures

Apple's design: if there's a battery issue the device pops open so that the battery doesn't puncture, avoiding a catastrophic fire.

Ladies and Gentlemen, that's excellent engineering. Given Apple's hardware skills I would like to assume that's by design.
 
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GrumpyMom said:
"In a news conference that took place on Monday morning in South Korea, Samsung and outside experts said batteries made by two suppliers contained flaws that allowed the phones to overheat and in several cases catch fire. But they also cited what they said were flaws in the design of the phone, including an unusually thin lining between the electrodes of the battery."
Source:
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/22/business/samsung-galaxy-note-7-battery-fires-report.html
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That NYT writer misspoke. Samsung didn't say that. Not even close. Read this instead, AnandTech was closer to the source data:

https://www.anandtech.com/show/11060/samsung-reveals-root-cause-of-galaxy-note7-battery-fires

First off, electrode lining is a battery thing, not a phone thing. What Samsung found (and was corroborated by even those who had slammed Samsung) was that there were two different failure modes:

1. The first set of batteries had pouches that were too small and pressed the electrodes dangerously close during handling and assembly. They found that some batteries also had a thinner than normal lining, which did not help. But that was neither a device design problem, nor primary failure cause.

2. Samsung tested the replacement batteries for flaw #1 and seeing none, was confident everything would be okay after people swapped their Notes. Unfortunately, some of the second set of batteries had weld flaws causing failure in a totally different and unexpected way.

Septembersrain said:
I still think Samsung wasn't able to admit their faults. They sent out replacements with a totally different battery and it continued to face the same issues.
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Nope, the second set from a different maker had totally different issues. See above.

macs4nw said:
Newer Li-ion tech has apparently been developed recently where damage to, or puncturing of the cells does not result in a fire or an explosion.
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Replaceable batteries are already less likely to have problems, because they have a stronger case and often a relief vent, as opposed to the sealed thin pouches used in many phones today to try for slimmer phones.
 
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Need to let my father know about this. He has something similar happening on his 7 iphone. seems have come apart like this.
 
bevo said:
Need to let my father know about this. He has something similar happening on his 7 iphone. seems have come apart like this.
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That happened when bought a 5 from my friend. His had been swelling for the year and a half since day one (it only gently pushed up the screen and the only notice was that it shimmered when touched) and when I bought it off him I decided to take it to the Apple desk at work. He said to get it to the apple store immediately.

That evening I went in to the store, they took it out back to "test" it, and came out about 10 minutes later with a new iphone (refurb) for me. Sometimes the swelling is light, sometimes it's catastrophic like this. I lucked out and they replaced it no questions asked.

At least Apple is pretty good about taking care of these issues when they arise.
 
bevo said:
Need to let my father know about this. He has something similar happening on his 7 iphone. seems have come apart like this.
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based on a few threads around here and elsewhere, Apple seems pretty good about doing a straight replacement for this issue under what's referred to as 'iPhone Quality program'.. in some instances there's an $80 charge..

there might be some relevant info for you&pops in this thread:
https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/iphone-6-swollen-battery-redress.1979934/

good luck.
 
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Wanted797 said:
Wait... isn't the bottom of the screen held in by screws. Where have they gone in these photos?
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good eye. it is the end where the screws go and the little white tabs that extend down to the screw holes are not lined up properly for the screws to be in place. which is why the display isn't bowing the way it would be if there was a swollen battery and they did nothing after spotting it. which just adds to there being something up.
 
macs4nw said:
Newer Li-ion tech has apparently been developed recently where damage to, or puncturing of the cells does not result in a fire or an explosion. Saw it demonstrated on TV a few months ago. Very impressive.

And then there is Prof. John Goodenough's recent breakthrough new sold-state battery tech which promises a ten-fold increase in energy density, much faster recharge times, and achieved recharge cycles in excess of 1200. These batteries can also function at way below zero temperatures, making them well suited for electric cars.

The incorporation of these new types of batteries in our handheld devices will be a truly exciting event.
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Not so fast. That so called breakthrough hasn’t been peer reviewed, and the battery research industry as a whole is extremely skeptical of the claims in that research paper. It’s basically a perpetual motion machine as the paper describes the design, so until I see others replicating his results, I’m calling bs.
 
mytawalbeh said:
Samsung users would be like we had this feature for more than a year.
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Ok, so usually that kind of fanboyish Samsung bashing doesn't impress me but that is far and away the funniest thing I've read in a while.
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bopajuice said:
Please. Most people here are probably Apple share holders. Do you think being vocal in a forum will improve the outcome of your investment?
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What makes you say that?
 
BeforeTheMeds said:
Sorry, no. Reporting 2 POSSIBLE battery failures is not clickbait. People are going at it KNOWING its 2 possible. Not because of a controversial subject. It always happens to a few, in no way controversial. Only controversial to someone that wants to make it controversial. Just about every article on this forum has people going at it, they try to create the controversy. Especially idiotic remarks like dropping or opening the box swell makes batteries swell.


  1. The definition of click bait is an website article with a subject that will cause controversy, used to get readers to click through on the Internet to that website.
No way this headline is click bait, it clearly says its 2 phones and POSSIBLE failure. Clickbait is saying its a huge Problem or iphone 8 batteries are failing, over stating it. The only controversy is fanbois peeing their pants over a story about any iphone problem at All. Not even clickbait, just news.



Apple Investigating Two Possible iPhone 8 Plus Battery Failures




[doublepost=1506901225][/doublepost]The people with the expanding batteries are unphased because working or not they still own a phone from the company with the largest profit margin. jk
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noun: click bait
  1. (on the Internet) content whose main purpose is to attract attention and encourage visitors to click on a link to a particular web page.

So.....just from the title, just released iPhone, you don't want to click through to read why? Ie that is the failure ? Which models etc etc...

This is not even news ! Of the tens of millions sold in the last couple of weeks, how is not reporting 2 phones not "creating" an issue that does not exist??

No idea what profit margin has to do with customer satisfaction, fact is Apple has the best customer support.
 
I'm not surprised. My 3GS did swell and several from my family has experienced the same.

Seems odd that it happens to a new phone. Seems like Apple needs to up their battery quality.
 
MH01 said:
noun: click bait
  1. (on the Internet) content whose main purpose is to attract attention and encourage visitors to click on a link to a particular web page.

So.....just from the title, just released iPhone, you don't want to click through to read why? Ie that is the failure ? Which models etc etc...

This is not even news ! Of the tens of millions sold in the last couple of weeks, how is not reporting 2 phones not "creating" an issue that does not exist??

No idea what profit margin has to do with customer satisfaction, fact is Apple has the best customer support.
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I gotta, (respectfully), disagree. Virtually every article on the internet has a purpose is to get you to read it. The purpose of the Macrumors front page is to attract attention and encourage visitors to click on a link to a particular web page, which are the articles or forums is MR clickbait?
 
H2SO4 said:
I gotta, (respectfully), disagree. Virtually every article on the internet has a purpose is to get you to read it. The purpose of the Macrumors front page is to attract attention and encourage visitors to click on a link to a particular web page, which are the articles or forums is MR clickbait?
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Fair enough. My point is , it's not MR, this story is nonsense, and has gained traction, with multiple sites showing it .

And I'm being a complete hypocrite by continueing to post about this :p best I stop
 
MH01 said:
Fair enough. My point is , it's not MR, this story is nonsense, and has gained traction, with multiple sites showing it .

And I'm being a complete hypocrite by continueing to post about this :p best I stop
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We all play the game.
 
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Septembersrain said:
I wouldn't worry just yet. We've seen swelling batteries in a lot of devices. This isn't the same as the Note 7. They even said it was due to an issue with the Note 7 and not particularly the battery that was at fault.

We need to just keep our eyes out if it becomes more widespread.
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Except it absolutely was faulty batteries at fault with the Note 7, as has been proven and reported on ad nauseum. By the time they weeded them all out, the 7’s reputation was ruined and it was a moot point anyway.
 
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usarioclave said:
Apple's design: if there's a battery issue the device pops open so that the battery doesn't puncture, avoiding a catastrophic fire.

Ladies and Gentlemen, that's excellent engineering. Given Apple's hardware skills I would like to assume that's by design.
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I actually had to laugh at this.

So I hope and trust in the future when say a Samsung phone blows the front of the device of, due to a battery fault, this Mac Rumor site will again say

" It appears that the battery may have swelled due to gases inside. The expansion then placed too much pressure on the display, causing it to pop open, which may actually help avoid a fire."
 
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