Apple Invites Media to 'Hello Again' October 27th Mac-Centric Event

[tuxon86]

And yet what wrote was correct as well, apple cannot make ARM chips

You're being silly now... Make, design, create... Don't assume everybody on an internet forum has english as his main language. Read it in context and you'll see that what I wrote was correct. Apple doesn't have a license for x86 and thus can't make, create, design an x86 cpu.

 

[danielwsmithee]

Apple can't make x86 chip... The don't have the license for it.

AMD has both started licensing their x86 designs to other manufacturers for use in SOCs, as well as manufacturing their own custom application specific SOCs.

http://www.pcworld.com/article/3060...l-could-create-more-x86-rivals-for-intel.html

http://www.pcworld.com/article/3124306/hardware/dont-call-amds-upcoming-zen-chip-a-cpu.html

This is the type of thing that AMD is pushing and Apple could be an ideal partner for.

 

[tuxon86]

AMD has both started licensing their x86 designs to other manufacturers for use in SOCs, as well as manufacturing their own custom application specific SOCs.

http://www.pcworld.com/article/3060...l-could-create-more-x86-rivals-for-intel.html

http://www.pcworld.com/article/3124306/hardware/dont-call-amds-upcoming-zen-chip-a-cpu.html

This is the type of thing that AMD is pushing and Apple could be an ideal partner for.

AMD can't transfer the x86 license as per the contract that they have with Intel.

 

[danielwsmithee]

The OP you were replying to was talking about something different than what you are. He / she was talking about designing x86 chips. You're talking about manufacturing chips. The only reason Apple can make their own custom SoC's is because they license the instruction set from ARM for the CPU and instruction set from Imagination Tech for the GPU. Once Apple designs the chips, Samsung manufactures them.

Apple cannot make x86 chips because they don't have a license to design x86 chips, nevermind manufacture them. Get the difference?

AMD has begun licensing their x86 designs for use in other SOCs. Which is why it would need to be AMD designs and not intel.

 

[tuxon86]

AMD has both started licensing their x86 designs to other manufacturers for use in SOCs, as well as manufacturing their own custom application specific SOCs.

http://www.pcworld.com/article/3060...l-could-create-more-x86-rivals-for-intel.html

http://www.pcworld.com/article/3124306/hardware/dont-call-amds-upcoming-zen-chip-a-cpu.html

This is the type of thing that AMD is pushing and Apple could be an ideal partner for.

They are licensing the MANUFACTURING of their chip not the x86 design... That company won't design new x86 chips, they'll manufacture and sell AMDs design.
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AMD has begun licensing their x86 designs for use in other SOCs. Which is why it would need to be AMD designs and not intel.

AMD own the x86-64 design not the x86.

 

[mollyc]

They targeted audiences that were relevant until circa 2010. The concepts behind the iMac and Mini are so outdated at this point that it's almost embarrassing. People are much more computer and Internet savvy nowadays so they don't need the hand-holding experience of the all-in-one iMac (an idea that dates all the way back the late 90s, for god's sake.) The days of Apple actively enticing switchers to jump ship from Windows is over so the Mini is serving no purpose at this point other than teasing Mac users with what a real desktop option could look like if it had specs that brought it up to the current year.

I'm completely baffled by anyone who thinks the iMac and Mini are still relevant in 2016. They served a purpose at one point but those reasons for existing are long, long gone. Both of those lines need to be put out of their misery and laid to rest and replaced with something that makes sense for today.

What would you replace the iMac with? Apple already removed their display option. I don't want a 15" screen, I want a 27" (give or take) screen. I could never work on a screen that small, and I am just an amateur photographer using PSCC/LR and scrapbooker - but I want a giant screen.

 

[danielwsmithee]

AMD can't transfer the x86 license as per the contract that they have with Intel.

Well they already are through THATIC as linked previously, and they are also already creating custom x86 based SOCs. In the second case Apple would provide their A series design to be included in a custom SOC.

http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2016/...aming-processors-coming-soon-is-one-for-xbox/
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They are licensing the MANUFACTURING of their chip not the x86 design... That company won't design new x86 chips, they'll manufacture and sell AMDs design.
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AMD own the x86-64 design not the x86.

Ok then the x86-64, quibbles.

 

[greenmeanie]

AMD Graphics yuck.

 

[tuxon86]

Well they already are through THATIC as linked previously, and they are also already creating custom x86 based SOCs. In the second case Apple would provide their A series design to be included in a custom SOC.

http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2016/...aming-processors-coming-soon-is-one-for-xbox/
[doublepost=1476990708][/doublepost]Ok then the x86-64, quibbles.

It makes a big difference.

 

[ToomeyND]

So if we read into this invitation design like we did the rest of them, should we assume that the Apple that we know is disappearing?

 

[panjandrum]

If that is the case. Apple would have never introduced Magsafe. It have to be some reason for this.

Yeah, I think the "reason" is different management at Apple... Management who has, time and again now, shown a callous disregard of, even a complete distain for, their users. UI degradation, simplicity degradation, feature degradation, expandability and upgradability degradation, repairability degradation, reliability degradation, stability degradation, and aesthetic degradation. (While this last one is obviously somewhat subjective; look at new wedge model Magic Trackpad compared to the the nice old Magic Trackpad and consider which one is more attractive. Sure, there are a few people who will think the the wedge looks better. Same way there are some people who would think a 1980 Nissan Sunny is more beautiful than a 1968 Jaguar e-Type Coupe... But these people should never be designing cars. Or computer peripherals...)

I have no trouble at all believing that the "new Apple" would make a decision based solely on profiting from increased repairs.

 

[ubestbsteppin]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hello#The_Apple_DOS_HELLO_program

 

[aeshaettr_]

Or maybe Intel has indeed licensed their x86 for Apple to design as long as they manufacture them? I for one would be ok with their move to ARM as long as Apple gets to design their chips and Intel produces them on time. Intel of late is nothing less than ridiculous. To launch a new chipset, but to take you 2 years to actually deliver it in all its variations...

 

[melendezest]

So if we read into this invitation design like we did the rest of them, should we assume that the Apple that we know is disappearing?

I think that happened in Oct 2011, but yes, going down in flames to a puff of smoke.

All hail the NEW Apple!
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What would you replace the iMac with? Apple already removed their display option. I don't want a 15" screen, I want a 27" (give or take) screen. I could never work on a screen that small, and I am just an amateur photographer using PSCC/LR and scrapbooker - but I want a giant screen.

According to Apple, a MacBook and a 27" Dell Monitor.

 

[Mac 128]

So if we read into this invitation design like we did the rest of them, should we assume that the Apple that we know is disappearing?

One theory is that this is powder falling, in which case, the subtext is Apple is settling.

 

[Gudi]

14-inch MacBook please!



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[0958400]

[/QUOTE]
You must be joking. I worked with top of the line PowerPCs in the 1990s and they were in terms of performance consistently worse than similar PCs. But they were the benchmark in life science at the time. The big difference is that they always worked. And that has not really changed. Still the reliability of the macs I work with is far superior to the Windows pcs I work with.[/QUOTE]
Well, other experiences, it seems. Why not switch to Windows then?

 

[Lucjan]

AMD can't transfer the x86 license as per the contract that they have with Intel.

I think those of you who want ARM Macs look at it wrong. Even if Apple could get its hands on x86 license somehow, why go through all the trouble, costs and risks? Designing a hybrid ARM-x86 CPU is an insane task. A big part of the ARM-design being so successful in terms of performance gains year over year is because it isn’t x86.

Now, let’s think for a moment here. The biggest issue with an ARM Mac would be its inability to run Windows, be it via Boot Camp or VMs like Parallels. That is a HUGE problem for a lot of current Mac users. Please don’t forget that many switched to Mac because if the need arise, they’d still have access to Windows.

To overcome that problem, they are likely to create an ARM Mac and add a Intel-SoC inside to take care of the x86 compatibility. Since performance would not be the primary concern, they could use the cheaper Intel parts.
I wouldn't actually the first time Apple did something along these lines. I have an PowerMac here that has a 486-PC on a board

As usual, with this approach the gamers would be screwed, but when was the last time Apple actually thought seriously about games on the Mac? Oh yes, that was around the time of the original Hello Again event, wasn’t it?

ARM Macs and software? If Apple just ports their own software to it, I’d guess most of their current target customers would have their needs covered. So an entry 'ARM only' Mac wouldn't be out of the question either. Not now obviously, but soon(TM).

 

[apple_iBoy]

Tacit admission in the "hello again" language that Macs have been long neglected.

The dissolving Apple logo is weird and unsettling. Interesting visual language choice.

 

[Daniel Reed]

I actually always buy refurbished. It's exactly the same as new, just cheaper. And when the new ones come out, all the refurbished models should drop in price.

its cheaper in California to buy from B&H new, then from Apple refurbished, when taxes are considered

 

[Juicy Box]

The dissolving Apple logo is weird and unsettling

I have it set as my background on one of my work monitors. I keep glancing at it and it looks like smoke is on the sides of the apple.

I know people like to decipher these things and try to get a clue to what to expect from the event. Judging from what I see, it looks like the Apple is on fire, and crumbling up leaving a thin cloud of smoke around the ashes.

This does not sound like a good thing. I hope I am totally wrong.

 

[inkswamp]

While I can sort of see where you are heading with Mini, are you trolling or do you seriously think Apple has no need to have ANY desktop computers? (let's have a moment of silence for the trashcan)

I didn't say that. I said they need to trash the current iMac and Mac Mini line-ups and create a consumer-level desktop machine that makes sense to people in 2016. Both the iMac and the Mini were created for specific needs in the past, and those days are long gone now. Time to move on. It was time to move on years ago.

What would you replace the iMac with? Apple already removed their display option. I don't want a 15" screen, I want a 27" (give or take) screen. I could never work on a screen that small, and I am just an amateur photographer using PSCC/LR and scrapbooker - but I want a giant screen.

Honestly, I don't know. I'm not being paid to work at Apple and figure that out. But I do know when I see a product that is outdated or isn't inspiring. That would be the iMac and Mini.

You don't have to worry. If it fits your needs, I suspect they'll be around for a long time. Apple has shown us time and time again that they have little to no serious interest in the consumer desktops. They have been phoning it in with these two machines for years. I see no reason why they should stop now.

 

[MacKenzie999]

Both the iMac and the Mini were created for specific needs in the past, and those days are long gone now.

Can't say I agree with this. I am one of those people who actually need a ton of power (I do 3d animation, motion graphics, and video editing for a living). I was recently hired by a shop that provides us with maxed-out 5K iMacs, and I was skeptical at first, but after working with one for a few months now I have to say I really like it. Granted, I'm not working on Star Wars or anything like that, but I do some pretty heavy lifting and the iMac handles it just fine. I love the monitor and I love the compact form factor. Upgradability sucks, but for a little north of $4K I have a very capable machine that will last a few years and probably hold a decent resale value.
Are there better machines out there? Absolutely, but I wouldn't go writing off the iMac just yet.

 

[navaira]

One theory is that this is powder falling, in which case, the subtext is Apple is settling.

Maybe they're blowing the dust off?

 

[JohnArtist]

I remember watching the keynote in October 2008 for the Unibody MacBook Pro. That was my first Mac!

I remember my Centris 650, that was my first Mac. Blazing fast 25 MHz 68040 processor, a whopping 8 megabytes of RAM, and a gigantic 80 MB harddrive. All for about $3,000.