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I just don't view the iMac as outdated. My husband, who is a die hard PCer, is considering one because he's tired of Windows. I still think it's a huge market, but I'm not an expert.
 
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am I beyond naive to hope for Mac Minis that can go to 32GB?Trying to find a relatively cheap way to get a VMware ESXI server up.
 
This is how I read the invite...

Black background - Incredible blacks of OLED (also, new Matte black color).
Exploding color powder - Dynamic nature of the OLED touchbar shortcuts.
Location - Powder at the top of the Apple logo indicates the OLED touchbar at the top of the keyboard.
 
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Everybody is totally missing it, it's the beginning of the rollout of the A10x iMac, Mac Pro, Mac Mini and Mac Book Pro, dropping all support of the x86 chipset and rolling out the new A10 designed by Intel. You notice they keep saying the A10 is "desktop class".
Each major Apple upgrade and design rollout includes a new chipset. Sierra will be the last MacOS for x86 just like Leopard was the last OS X for the PowerPC.

I really, really want you to be right! Lets hope so.
 
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They targeted audiences that were relevant until circa 2010. The concepts behind the iMac and Mini are so outdated at this point that it's almost embarrassing. People are much more computer and Internet savvy nowadays so they don't need the hand-holding experience of the all-in-one iMac (an idea that dates all the way back the late 90s, for god's sake.) The days of Apple actively enticing switchers to jump ship from Windows is over so the Mini is serving no purpose at this point other than teasing Mac users with what a real desktop option could look like if it had specs that brought it up to the current year.

I'm completely baffled by anyone who thinks the iMac and Mini are still relevant in 2016. They served a purpose at one point but those reasons for existing are long, long gone. Both of those lines need to be put out of their misery and laid to rest and replaced with something that makes sense for today.

Again, do you think the general public wants to spend $1200 on a computer? Nope. For people that just have basic needs, they'll often go for the Mini.

You seem to also think the iMac is irrelevant. With that 5K screen? You really think iMacs serve no purpose in the current lineup?
 
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I'd tell him to wait till next Friday. By then Apple will have released their new / updated Macs & MS will have released their Surface AIO iMac challenger

http://www.patentlyapple.com/patent...oft-will-introduce-their-imac-challenger.html


Oh he's not in any hurry. He's built his last two computers but he's holding off on a mac switch because he is a huge quicken user. Waiting to see if it ever gets the same feature set as the windows version.

He's probably at least 2 years away from a new computer of any sort. He takes awhile with these things. :D
 
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Again, do you think the general public wants to spend $1200 on a computer? Nope. For people that just have basic needs, they'll often go for the Mini.

You seem to also think the iMac is irrelevant. With that 5K screen? You really think iMacs serve no purpose in the current lineup?

You make good points but Apple is headed towards an all-in-one world. I don't see a bright future or any room in their lineup for separate CPU boxes like the Mac mini or even Mac Pro. As someone before alluded to, Mac Pro might eventually get replaced with an iMac Pro.
 
MacDongle Pro! "We have a dongle for that!"

I have lots and lots of peripherals and none use USB C. It is a considerable investment. So, Apple, are you going to be courageous enough to include 4 dongles for each discontinued port so I can actually use the 4 otherwise totally useless USB C ports without having to fork over even more money?

Tim Cook, I would like a direct answer. My User experience that Apple prides itself is dropping fast!

Jon Ivey, would you agree form should follow function? A simple clean design. So how does requiring dongles to make your new sleek design work exactly, It certainly no longer simple, clean or sleek. Rube Goldberg comes to mind.

Yes, I am angry! I expected much better from Apple.
 
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Well, in my opinion (of course), Apple isn't the best at reasonable things; like this effin' f*** up

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And not to mention that the you can't listen to music while charging your phone unless you have Bluetooth headphones, because Apple didn't implement wireless charging into the phone - yet they took away the headphone jack (!)


Dear Apple,

please don't remove the headphone jack from the upcoming computers.

(I can't even believe what I'm asking of them!)

Im not that worried about the headphone port, but I'm totally with you about this stupid mouse. Mine hardly ever gets fully charged because of the infuriating decision to make it non-functional while charging. You have no choice but to leave it charging overnight, or have a spare wired mouse to use while it does. The only way I've managed to get it fully charged is to put a reminder in my calendar. And yet the new Magic Keyboard and Trackpad can be used as they charge. Bizarre.
 
its cheaper in California to buy from B&H new, then from Apple refurbished, when taxes are considered
Good to know. Unfortunately I'm in Canada. As far as I know, you can't buy a Mac cheaper than from Apple, refurbished here. If anyone knows differently, I'd love to hear it.
 
Everybody is totally missing it, it's the beginning of the rollout of the A10x iMac, Mac Pro, Mac Mini and Mac Book Pro, dropping all support of the x86 chipset and rolling out the new A10 designed by Intel. You notice they keep saying the A10 is "desktop class".
Each major Apple upgrade and design rollout includes a new chipset. Sierra will be the last MacOS for x86 just like Leopard was the last OS X for the PowerPC.

That my friend would happen at the Developers Conference since one would need to compile on ARM.
 
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Wow there's actually people who use the Apple crap mouse?!? Damn I trash them and plug good old SteelSeries in. Multiple button, precise handling, no battery or charging crap.

Im not that worried about the headphone port, but I'm totally with you about this stupid mouse. Mine hardly ever gets fully charged because of the infuriating decision to make it non-functional while charging. You have no choice but to leave it charging overnight, or have a spare wired mouse to use while it does. The only way I've managed to get it fully charged is to put a reminder in my calendar. And yet the new Magic Keyboard and Trackpad can be used as they charge. Bizarre.

I have been a fan of Apple product since a long time, Beta tested OS X.0, but haven't brought a new computer in over 5 years, but can hardly justify a switch since the current model are so crappy. Seriously, the Mac are now for average Joe who doesn't do any serious stuff: forget decent OpenGL, OpenCL, VR or any cutting edge stuff... but you can a zillion of iOS useless feature! can we have OS that actually work? I mean Wifi connection is so crappy on TV OS and Mac OS (used to be rock solid back in the days X.2 to X.6, those who put their finger into the network stack should be fired to destroy something this badly).

Make application that actually work, I mean how often does iOS go on free game with sound level and input is painful. Don't even talk about remote app on iOS, often have to close the Wifi on the phone and readable it so it can see the Apple TV again. Quicktime X (enough say with just the name on this one, it's so cripple I don't think anyone can use that junk for anything serious now a day). Safari is now the new IE, the only non ever green browser and the one that lag behind all other major one in features and annoyance for web developers.

Hardware wise is ridiculous to get such old hardware at that price range and be forced into buying iMac over iMac because all other Apple Desktop are insanely weak or way too expensive for what they are! A decent workstation with a decent GPU without a new screen every time would be nice (no a intel GPU inside the mac mini is not considered a decent GPU if you try to use anything 3D or VR). The Mac Pro? the only thing pro about it, is the name, since when does a single internal storage can be something remotely considered pro? duplicated data and RAID please, give me multiple PCI express slot so I can add more storage or GPU please! what's the point of having a small computer if we have to have massive amount of cable and external enclosure all around it that cost an arm for nothing. I understand that you make your $$$ on the fact that we can't manually upgrade shot on those machine, but come on, a minimum versatility is required.

Apple is now a shinny on the surface for product that are now unusable or unpractical but does have a flashy look! No more robust and good looking that are well designed for usability.

I work on Windows 10 every day, as annoying I can find Windows, the hardware may make me switch and try to make a hackintosh for a few application.

My prediction, new portable only we good looking feature that are not really useful but will cover the fact that you loose any connectivity and will end up with just a few USB-C port, that you will need an adaptor and a hub to plug a mouse and a USB key while charging your phone (because yeah iPhone are the only high end phone that still require being plug to charge now a day).

and plz don't get me start on the iTune/Music app... insane publicity propaganda that forgot it was suppose to play my music in a decent way. They should stop doing interview claiming they have the grail in GUI, seriously do an evaluation of your music and iTune application with a step back, it's the pinnacle of horror and confusion now a day.
 
I just don't view the iMac as outdated. My husband, who is a die hard PCer, is considering one because he's tired of Windows. I still think it's a huge market, but I'm not an expert.

You would be absolutely correct in your assessment, I think, Molly. There are a lot of unhappy Windows users of late after the Windows 10 forced upgrades and spying debacles. On the enthusiast Windows and PC forums there are a lot of people taking a hard look at Linux. For the first time I have a Linux distro running in a VM on my WIndows 10 machine.

Windows users are very aware of Apple's reticence w.r.t. updating its machines. I think if Apple chose to they could attract a boat-load of disgruntled Windows users about now - if only the hardware were up to snuff (Windows users love fast stuff).
 
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Because my current laptop was from the last of the Mac portables that had workstation performance and I keep hoping that I won't be abandoned. I have never owned a PC and it will be a pain. All of the people I work with converted years ago and until the last couple of years my laptop worked so much better than theirs that it was the obvious choice. The reality is that I don't need a laptop that has the performance of an iPad Pro. I need a real computer and up until about 2011 Apple made real portable computers.

And the biggest reason is that Apple's laptops don't have to have sub-par performance. Apple just chooses that functionality so they can say thin, light and low temperature.

My 2013 MacBook Pro Retina 15" still runs circles around any PC laptop I've seen. There aren't that many quad-core PC laptops out there - at least not that I know of. Not to mention PCIe SSDs - PC laptops with that are super-rare. As well as Thunderbolt. Heck, even the GPU - the Iris Pro is still faster than most Intel GPUs used in many laptops of today, including Surface Pros. And even three years later, it's still really fast. I don't see how it's less real than your 2011 MBP. It's not only faster, it has less throttling and heat issues. If 2011 MBP is "workstation performance" as you say, the Retina MBP is like a workstation farm then.

It's literally one of the best computers ever made. And once you go Retina, there really is no going back.

I'd like to hear how 2011 MBP was the last real laptop Apple made, since I believe they made huge leaps after that year. I fully expect them to do that again this year - with even better performance, thunderbolt 3, faster SSDs, dci-p3 display and all that in an even lighter computer (which is kinda a big deal for me, as I have to carry the thing around).
 
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Again, do you think the general public wants to spend $1200 on a computer? Nope. For people that just have basic needs, they'll often go for the Mini.

You seem to also think the iMac is irrelevant. With that 5K screen? You really think iMacs serve no purpose in the current lineup?

Where do you get $1200 for a computer? The low-end iMac is only $200 shy of that. Most of the cost is probably in the damn display. Not everyone needs a high-end display but you don't get a choice with the iMac. How would a headless Mac cost $1200?

The Mini is great for people who want a basic machine. Even better for someone wanting a basic machine is a cheap PC. I mean, if it's just for basic use, what need do people have for all the amenities Apple offers? Not much. The Mini is quite insufficient for those of us who might want something a little more powerful, and the iMac is a lot of hand-holding for those of us who might want something more powerful without jumping up to the Mac Pro. There's a completely, ridiculously obvious gap sitting there int he line-up whether you want to acknowledge it or not. Apple's sad adherence to these outdated concepts makes them blind to it.
 
You would be absolutely correct in your assessment, I think, Molly. There are a lot of unhappy Windows users of late after the Windows 10 forced upgrades and spying debacles. On the enthusiast Windows and PC forums there are a lot of people taking a hard look at Linux. For the first time I have a Linux distro running in a VM on my WIndows 10 machine.

Windows users are very aware of Apple's reticence w.r.t. updating its machines. I think if Apple chose to they could attract a boat-load of disgruntled Windows users about now - if only the hardware were up to snuff (Windows users love fast stuff).

As of right now, Windows 10 has approximately 350 to 400 million active users. That's after 2 years. I'm sure Tim Cook would kill for those kinds of numbers for macOS.
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My 2013 MacBook Pro Retina 15" still runs circles around any PC laptop I've seen. There aren't that many quad-core PC laptops out there - at least not that I know of. Not to mention PCIe SSDs - PC laptops with that are super-rare. As well as Thunderbolt. Heck, even the GPU - the Iris Pro is still faster than most Intel GPUs used in many laptops of today, including Surface Pros. And even three years later, it's still really fast. I don't see how it's less real than your 2011 MBP. It's not only faster, it has less throttling and heat issues. If 2011 MBP is "workstation performance" as you say, the Retina MBP is like a workstation farm then.

It's literally one of the best computers ever made. And once you go Retina, there really is no going back.

I'd like to hear how 2011 MBP was the last real laptop Apple made, since I believe they made huge leaps after that year. I fully expect them to do that again this year - with even better performance, thunderbolt 3, faster SSDs, dci-p3 display and all that in an even lighter computer (which is kinda a big deal for me, as I have to carry the thing around).

You should look at Razer. They're killing it right now with their laptop line:

1. http://www.razerzone.com/ca-en/gaming-systems/razer-blade

2. http://www.theverge.com/2016/10/20/13344566/razer-blade-pro-specs-price-release-date-photos
 
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