Wow, you have a chip on your shoulder, don't you? Such anger my friend, remember, it's just a commercial.
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Apple iPhone Teaser Ad Airs During Oscars [Updatex3]
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Wow, you have a chip on your shoulder, don't you? Such anger my friend, remember, it's just a commercial.
of course! i definitely have a problem with people who don't hesitate to rip off other people's work and then fallaciously justify it by saying that's the norm. i am certainly not ashamed to admit this. definitely no anger, though, just disgust. the readiness of some people to defend banality is amazing.
And The Lord of the Rings is a ripoff of Wagner's Der Ring des Nibelungen... where's the outrage about that people?
If "art" imitates life, then all that "art" is, is a series of ripoffs...
For those accusing Apple of ripping off Christian Marclay's video, perhaps Apple (or the ad agency) asked and received permission from Christian to use this approach in the ad. I don't think we should just assume they ripped it off without further information, either from Apple or from Christian.
Where did I say that they copy from a folder of clipped ads? Learn to read. All creatives do not work in a vacuum. They draw from, and are inspired by the works of others. No news here. If you agree or not that is the way it is.
Let's not forget they are making ADs. Something to get you to pull money out of your pocket and purchase a product. That is the ONLY reason advertising exists. If you want art visit a museum.
Must be a slow day"If you agree or not that's the way it is."
Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz... we are not talking laws of gravity here.
If Apple wants to create a 'cute'/pompous ad like this one, I don't see why they shouldn't come up with the idea on their own to justify all the praise they receive from it. You act like Apple was forced to use Marclay's idea because "that's just the way life works." Besides, where are you trying to draw the line between art and advertising? Advertising may very well be the future of art.
Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz... we are not talking laws of gravity here.
If Apple wants to create a 'cute'/pompous ad like this one, I don't see why they shouldn't come up with the idea on their own to justify all the praise they receive from it. You act like Apple was forced to use Marclay's idea because "that's just the way life works." Besides, where are you trying to draw the line between art and advertising? Advertising may very well be the future of art.
If you guys want to finish the ad scene list (actors/scenes), I put it into a guide page so anyone can edit.
http://guides.macrumors.com/iPhone_"Hello"_Ad
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http://guides.macrumors.com/iPhone_"Hello"_Ad
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I liked it. Ads rarely expressly show the product working, they try to build suspense, touch emotions or such to get people interested in a product.
Apple has four months to keep sending ads that build up people's feelings and desire for an iPhone.
Just think of this as the beginning of a conversation
You know, where you say "Hello..."
Apple has four months to keep sending ads that build up people's feelings and desire for an iPhone.
Just think of this as the beginning of a conversation
You know, where you say "Hello..."
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Just think of this as the beginning of a conversation
You know, where you say "Hello..."
yeah, warhol was sort of about it, although his paintings were not intended to be advertisements at the hand of the campbell's company. it was pretty much the other way around in his case.
That was my point... In other words, advertising becoming "art" is old news from the 60's... We've been there, done that...
Why Am I Not Given Credit For Making That List First?
Because I am asking for credit?
Makes me feel unappreciated to take something i posted first and get no credit. I did not use the other earlier posted list of actors to make my list. I was working full time from when I got the videos to make it.
How come I don't get a thank you for posting it last night at #162 plus why didn't you put a link to post #162 on the cover update? I'm a paying memeber now.
Because I am asking for credit?
Makes me feel unappreciated to take something i posted first and get no credit. I did not use the other earlier posted list of actors to make my list. I was working full time from when I got the videos to make it.
Suspense
If Apple WERE to show off a feature or two, then
droves of viewers would be whining, "We want
it NOW..... why did you tease us like that if it
isn't even available yet?" Let them know it's
out there in the making.... Once released,
sell the features then.
It seems like an ad with a great idea that falls flat at the end. Although it does fit the Oscar theme well it doesn't show off the phone at all. Oh well, fun to watch
If Apple WERE to show off a feature or two, then
droves of viewers would be whining, "We want
it NOW..... why did you tease us like that if it
isn't even available yet?" Let them know it's
out there in the making.... Once released,
sell the features then.
Spirited Conversation - Art vs. Ads
Wow, certainly a lot of spirited conversation.
First, let me state that I'm all Apple - have been since the Apple IIe days. The ad, as it stands, was nice, engaging, and clever. It wasn't the hottest thing since sliced bread, but it got people talking - well, where am I but in an Apple related forum, after all.
For those of you who haven't seen Marclay's video piece from '95, I think your reaction would be the same as mine and some others' here. It was exactly the same - although Marclay's piece was more involved, longer and more engaging, the similarity to the "Hello" portion was spot on the same - except, of course, the choice of film clips and actors. My eyes literally bugged out from recognition the first time I saw the ad.
There are, of course, several possible scenarios here: An Apple employee or one of the ad agency's people saw the Marclay piece and thought it would be cool to use part of it for an ad; or Apple asked Marclay if they could use the idea he had in an ad they were creating; or simply that the idea hit Marclay in '95 to create his piece, and, years later, the same idea hit Apple. Would permission be needed? Probably not - although I don't claim to be a lawyer. Individual ideas have cropped up in the past in different places at different times that turned out to be the same idea or concept - certainly not unheard of.
So while I toy around with words like "Rip off" and "getting sued", that was my original reaction to such a visceral image - if those of you who hadn't see Marclay's piece were to somehow get to see it, you'd be as struck as I was. Although I am curious as to the ad's creation and conception, it could very well have been a case of someone coming up with the idea independent of influence from another's work of art. But if someone at Apple or thier advertising agency DID see this piece and kept it to him/herself, then created the proposal for this type of ad, they'd be in pretty safe company due to the rather obscure knowledge of this artists' work.
Intriguing to some, meaningless to others, fun to talk about. Like a wise poster wrote somewhere above, "...it's not a ripoff, it's an homage!"
'nuff said from me!
Wow, certainly a lot of spirited conversation.
First, let me state that I'm all Apple - have been since the Apple IIe days. The ad, as it stands, was nice, engaging, and clever. It wasn't the hottest thing since sliced bread, but it got people talking - well, where am I but in an Apple related forum, after all.
For those of you who haven't seen Marclay's video piece from '95, I think your reaction would be the same as mine and some others' here. It was exactly the same - although Marclay's piece was more involved, longer and more engaging, the similarity to the "Hello" portion was spot on the same - except, of course, the choice of film clips and actors. My eyes literally bugged out from recognition the first time I saw the ad.
There are, of course, several possible scenarios here: An Apple employee or one of the ad agency's people saw the Marclay piece and thought it would be cool to use part of it for an ad; or Apple asked Marclay if they could use the idea he had in an ad they were creating; or simply that the idea hit Marclay in '95 to create his piece, and, years later, the same idea hit Apple. Would permission be needed? Probably not - although I don't claim to be a lawyer. Individual ideas have cropped up in the past in different places at different times that turned out to be the same idea or concept - certainly not unheard of.
So while I toy around with words like "Rip off" and "getting sued", that was my original reaction to such a visceral image - if those of you who hadn't see Marclay's piece were to somehow get to see it, you'd be as struck as I was. Although I am curious as to the ad's creation and conception, it could very well have been a case of someone coming up with the idea independent of influence from another's work of art. But if someone at Apple or thier advertising agency DID see this piece and kept it to him/herself, then created the proposal for this type of ad, they'd be in pretty safe company due to the rather obscure knowledge of this artists' work.
Intriguing to some, meaningless to others, fun to talk about. Like a wise poster wrote somewhere above, "...it's not a ripoff, it's an homage!"
'nuff said from me!
How come I don't get a thank you for posting it last night at #162 plus why didn't you put a link to post #162 on the cover update? I'm a paying memeber now.
Because I am asking for credit?
Makes me feel unappreciated to take something i posted first and get no credit. I did not use the other earlier posted list of actors to make my list. I was working full time from when I got the videos to make it.
Don't worry. I give you credit all the time.
I thought it was clever marketing on Apple's part. You have a huge audience of film fans and movie buffs watching. So they put together a clip sequence on the "hello" theme, very much like many of the other clip segments in Oscar nights past that people like. The clips get more and more modern, finally ending with the shot of the iPhone.
It is a teaser, and it does just that. It makes people notice (all those who have been under rocks since before the iPhone introduction and who knew nothing about it) and gets people thinking and talking.
Anybody notice what post # this is at less than 24 hours later??
It is a teaser, and it does just that. It makes people notice (all those who have been under rocks since before the iPhone introduction and who knew nothing about it) and gets people thinking and talking.
Anybody notice what post # this is at less than 24 hours later??
Um, you do realize you are on a Mac fan site, don't you? You sound as though you have a chip on your shoulder in regards to Apple itself by outwardly attacking their advertising of one particular product. By holding Apple to such high standards and accusing them of advertising "plagiarism", you should hold every company and their advertisements to those same standards. Actively criticizing a commercial as being "unoriginal" is unoriginal and pompous and completely misses the point of the advertisement: to be entertained.
There's a war in Iraq, some perspective would be nice.