I hear you, but understand where Apple is coming from. Because the Surface can run desktop Windows, developers are less inclined to optimize their software for it. Heck, even Microsoft prioritized Office for iOS over Office for Windows Metro.
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I went to a movie this weekend, a tub of popcorn was $8 and a soft drink was $6.
Just because I didn't buy any doesn't change the fact that it's a ripoff.
Which is why Microsoft is so intent on Windows 10 being a unified platform. I think that ultimately, developers will come around.
This thread is hilarious. Most of apple products are luxury devices, we expect the high cost. It's still similar to other flagship devices.
The fact that Apple is selling the iPad Mini 4 for the same price as the iPad Air 2 is laughable. Same exact specs but much smaller screen.
Yes I don't get that either. They should drop the price $50.
Actually worse specs than the air 2. The mini 4 uses a dual core A8 whereas the air 2 uses a tri-core A8X. So smaller screen, slower and the same price. It's a freaking joke. They should have lowered it to $299. Then you have a clear price progression.
Who the hell am I kidding. Overall the iPad lineup has been a confusing mess since 2013.
I've got one of those. Cheap and nasty, but does the job and is light to boot. User replaceable batteries is awesome and it's nicer to type on that the touch screen.
It's Apple's fault, they dumped their traditional user base and chased the fickle consumer market.
[doublepost=1459752907][/doublepost]If you want value, and a desktop/tablet experience that more compelling than the Surface, try giving Ubuntu a shot
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Thing is iOS and touch has had its time to mature. But it hasn't. Touch has reached a peak imo. even iOS gaming has stalled with UI tweaks.
Pc gaming side with those old school mice and keyboards....gaming pushes UI boundaries yearly still. To the point they actually care enough to rewrite Eula's (to clear up botting vs allowed use of programmable keyboards). Hell some games today unless a pro touch typist you need the gaming stuff. UI has reached complexity so high...typing a PITA really.
Take away is this splashed into non-gaming. I programmed gaming KB's for non games. The plethora of mouse buttons, have been used for work stuff.
Also this may be a case of hoping on vaporware. Never a good thing for a start and apple made it worse by giving confused signals. they gave IPP keyboards and pencils. These alone are making the dreams of touch innovation pipe dreams imo.
I foresee devs focusing development for these not touch. The battery of commands I use applications I use on my MBP I see carrying over to stuff on iOS in the future. Not screen touch. Pencil support as will get more focus over touch. People having several hundred in accessories...will get the attention.
And if the touch revolution planned needs todays IPP's and higher....it will have issues. Devs tend to not code for latest and greatest. 100-1000' of hours involved they want to make back that money. best way to do that is to get as broad an audience as possible. So yes...they code for that 16gb old ipad. can we predict it will be on the EOL list next year? Maybe. that's next year. This is this year. dev wants that extra $2.99...they may get it from that area. They will code for my scrubby mini 4 bought in the past year for quite a while too lol.
If you think that... Then consider yourself ripped off by pretty much everyone.
Buying a pair of Levi's jeans? They cost about £5 to make. Buy Nike shoes, designer sunglasses? They all cost peanuts to make as well. Even if you don't go by brand, you will always pay more.
Don't like apples prices? Go with another brand, but it will still be a rip off compared to what things cost to make.
When I buy apple instead of other brands I'm willing to pay more, because of user experience and most of the time things just work. Apple might lag features that other company's offer, but I'm not that bothered about those. Also, if you look at the cost per day, apple isn't that expensive. It's just upfront.
Buying a pair of Levi's jeans? They cost about £5 to make. Buy Nike shoes, designer sunglasses? They all cost peanuts to make as well. Even if you don't go by brand, you will always pay more.
Don't like apples prices? Go with another brand, but it will still be a rip off compared to what things cost to make.
When I buy apple instead of other brands I'm willing to pay more, because of user experience and most of the time things just work. Apple might lag features that other company's offer, but I'm not that bothered about those. Also, if you look at the cost per day, apple isn't that expensive. It's just upfront.
Well the photos I don't control, that's all down to the iCloud Photo Library. I only store a couple of playlists locally for my music for when there's no internet about. The rest is all streamed with Apple Music and there's only a couple of videos they're just high bitrate.
I could definitely do without the 20GB of retroarch stuff, but, well I've got all of that empty space on my device might as well use it, not to would just be wasteful
These arguments are so contrived. Yes we get it. You and others are magnanimous in acceptance of apples high price. We are not worthy and keep contradicting ourselves by purchasing everday items at high prices.
Have you guys stopped and read your arguments back to yourselves? With this argument can apple ever be overpriced? I guess not as long as you can afford it nobody of mind should complain about its affordability because look! Its not the most outrageous example of overpricing!
Btw being a shareholder of apple's, i suggest everybody actually look at companys profit margins. Apple (40%) is among the highest even compared to coca cola(12%), nike (45%), gap clothing(5%) or mercedes (20%). Liquids, shoes, clothes, luxury car. Four examples provided in this topic.
With many of us, just as you may be yourself, longtime Apple customers, we are used to it. In my nearing 20 years or so as an Apple customer, I don't recall them ever selling anything that compared particularly favourably with the competition on a pure price level. (Except the Apple Pencil.)
Most everyone I knew when I switched to Apple products thought I'd taken leave of my senses. But that was back before they became the product juggernaut that they are these days. Most people who thought I was crazy then now own at least one Apple product and it's usually them I hear complaining about prices.
I'm not going to argue against *some* things that Apple sell being priced beyond the ridiculous even for Apple but at the same time it's nothing that surprises me and I doubt it'll change.
Good point.
And just like the movie theater, some items from Apple are good value and some aren't. For example, a $100 Apple Pencil is acceptable because nobody else offers the same functionality/convenience. And it's packed with electronics.
OTOH, the $70 silicone case is nonsense. Coupled with the slightly less-nonsense Smart Cover for a total of $120 and it's clear Apple is pushing customers to the Smart Keyboard by making it seem better value at $150: Hey! It's a front cover, a back cover AND a whole keyboard. Who could refuse?
The $70 silicone back cover exists not to sell, but to recalibrate customers' baseline price-expectations.
I think the increased cost is misguided, it certain got me off the iPad upgrade train. Maybe Apple has a strategy to reinvigorate iPad demand with this increase but hard to see it from my end of the forest. Feels like pure hubris to me.
I'm firmly in the "9.7 Pro is mispriced" camp, I'd like to upgrade but I won't. I choose not too b/c of the crazy pricing. I'm not going to enable Apple here. My thought is the 9.7 Pro sales dry up after the early adopters get in. 3rd party sales follow. Next model gets either price pushed back to where the Air 2 was or 64GB becomes standard.
I'm firmly in the "9.7 Pro is mispriced" camp, I'd like to upgrade but I won't. I choose not too b/c of the crazy pricing. I'm not going to enable Apple here. My thought is the 9.7 Pro sales dry up after the early adopters get in. 3rd party sales follow. Next model gets either price pushed back to where the Air 2 was or 64GB becomes standard.
I was mildly interested to upgrade from my Air 2 to the Pro 9.7, until I saw this video. No longer interested.
Very crappy move. Unless there's a very good reason why Apple shifted the magnets, which I'm guess none other than to make one buy a new smart cover.
Very crappy move. Unless there's a very good reason why Apple shifted the magnets, which I'm guess none other than to make one buy a new smart cover.
That would be a no, going by that video. I was going to do that with my Air 2 smart leather case and smart cover which I have both.Could leather case from iPad Air2 fit Pro? I guess no ...
Yeah, I do expect we'll see sales shortly after early adopters have gotten their fill. Market demand will dictate pricing.
My theory on the $599 train is actually apple being realy smart. The initial $599 is to get the fans to buy in. Judging by how fast the ipad pro went on sale and how much they go on sale, Apple is really just trying to capture the entire market. It'll be $500 by the summer in most retail locations
The keyboard doesn't have a back cover portion but can be paired with one of the 70 dollar ones
Nah, I think it's more meant that if you don't use the keyboard, the keyboard folds to it's back and protects it when you are reading or writing on the iPP just like a case would.