Apple is ripping us off

[prism]

Curious that you over emphasise the "real" there. It is what I'd consider real work. I write up multi-page reviews, technical reports, I do artwork for my apps, write up some code to transfer into Xcode later and work on websites. Maybe that's not real work to you, but since my accident it's what I have to do.

I'll give you, not everything can get done on it, there's always a need for a desktop/laptop. But I'm finding that need is constantly diminishing.
But that's even what Apple said back at the launch timeframe of the first Pro. A Mac when you need it and an iPad when you don't. I kind of agree with that.

One glaring example is a "real" filing system, I've lost both precious time and files navigating through the quirks of the iOS answer to this. Also I put the laptop into clamshell mode in the office, connecting it to a proper sized display with mouse and keyboard which is far more comfortable to use. I just can't imagine how the mouseless and cramped environment of the iPad pro can match this, especially over long hours of work.
Again, I guess it depends on the type of work you do, in my case it would be a serious and crippling downgrade.

 

[macmee]

Stop devalueing your currency: canadien dollar now trading at .70 usd. It was at parity in 2012. I love Canada, but being paid in Monopoly money is driving me back to US

I get paid in USD and live in Canada so I'm the opposite, I want our dollar to go down.

Also the CAD is tied with oil prices because Canada is a huge exporter. If Oil is low the CAD will be low, if it's high the CAD will be high.

 

[TrueBlou]

One glaring example is a "real" filing system, I've lost both precious time and files navigating through the quirks of the iOS answer to this. Also I put the laptop into clamshell mode in the office, connecting it to a proper sized display with mouse and keyboard which is far more comfortable to use. I just can't imagine how the mouseless and cramped environment of the iPad pro can match this, especially over long hours of work.
Again, I guess it depends on the type of work you do, in my case it would be a serious and crippling downgrade.

The file system could do with a bit of an overhaul there's no doubt about that.

I store most of my stuff on an external drive and use a Kingston G3 to access it. Saves hassle sometimes. Other things are in the cloud or just stored within one app. I completely avoid transferring multi-gigabyte files until I can use iTunes file sharing. So I work around the limitations, though I couldn't deny life would be easier at times without those limitations.

I don't find mouseless to be an issue on the Pro, particularly with the Pencil, it's a versatile device. That I am a fanboy for, totally surprised me. I think it's one of the best things Apple have made in years.

 

[prism]

I'm certain the pen is an incredibly compelling device...I also forget to mention that I build and test virtual machines which is another major reason the iPad is no go for me.

 

[TrueBlou]

I'm certain the pen is an incredibly compelling device...I also forget to mention that I build and test virtual machines which is another major reason the iPad is no go for me.

Ha, yeah you'd definitely hit problems there.

 

[Q-Dog]

It's not that I can't afford it...don't get me wrong. Like I wrote earlier "so far I have felt that Apple's Ipad was reasonably, yet still expensively priced. Just with the launch of the new Pro my perspective has changed"

I own a fully spec'ed macbook pro and Iphone 5S...I'm already in their ecosystem. I use their products. However, I am also a sceptical person and I can read between the lines. We are financing their new HQ, their crazy R&D, their newly employed and highly expensive staff. They also just built Liam which they'll make money from as well as they sell the parts for cash (essentially resulting in a price reduction on new parts).

On the other hand I believe they don't make as much money from new Apps as they used to.

I studied business for 5 years, I know what BS looks like. I also know how they are making money. I also know they have crazy margins...here I am just saying they are being greedy.

It sounds like you can do better. When are you releasing your competing tablet computer?

 

[EatingApples]

It sounds like you can do better. When are you releasing your competing tablet computer?

I am not going to lol. Apple is clever as f*** and they know what they are doing. I'm just not buying it ;-)

 

[rowspaxe]

Also the CAD is tied with oil prices because Canada is a huge exporter. If Oil is low the CAD will be low, if it's high the CAD will be high.

Thanks. I have never seen an explanation before why a currency is devaluing against the US dollar--with the US policies of quanatative easing and negative interest rates

 

[rui no onna]

Thanks. I have never seen an explanation before why a currency is devaluing against the US dollar--with the US policies of quanatative easing and negative interest rates

US hasn't see negative interest rates yet. There's been a zero interest rate policy (ZIRP) in effect but it still hasn't gone negative unlike in other countries. International markets are pretty beaten down and folks are flocking to US treasuries for safety.

 

[rowspaxe]

I don't find mouseless to be an issue on the Pro, particularly with the Pencil, it's a versatile device. That I am a fanboy for, totally surprised me. I think it's one of the best things Apple have made in years.

It will be interesting to see how the mouse issue plays out. Imo--I see people getting bogged down trying to do laptop tasks with out mouse/trackpad support. Video or audio editing with a pen on 13" screen seems like a disaster--hands blocking stuff out, etc.
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US hasn't see negative interest rates yet. There's been a zero interest rate policy (ZIRP) in effect but it still hasn't gone negative unlike in other countries. International markets are pretty beaten down and folks are flocking to US treasuries for safety.

Zero interest rates + inflation = effective negative interest rates?

 

[rui no onna]

Zero interest rates + inflation = effective negative interest rates?

Except inflation has also been zero or even negative. Retirees on Social Security didn't receive a COLA this year because CPI for 2015 is zero (might be negative, I know the negative CPI cancelled out the fixed interest rate portion on I-bonds for part of last year). Now if only healthcare and education would follow CPI.

 

[TrueBlou]

It will be interesting to see how the mouse issue plays out. Imo--I see people getting bogged down trying to do laptop tasks with out mouse/trackpad support. Video or audio editing with a pen on 13" screen seems like a disaster--hands blocking stuff out, etc.
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Zero interest rates + inflation = effective negative interest rates?

Yeah I do see your point. I've done a fair bit of video editing. Nothing professional yet, just playing around getting used to the Pad and Pencil. There was a bit of an issue initially as you say with my massive pit shovel hands obscuring some of the screen.

But the Pencil is, thankfully, the exact length of an HB pencil, so there's plenty of room to move your grip further up out of the way. It's certainly longer than other styli I've owned and as it turns out that's a good thing for certain circumstances. I wonder, now that you've mentioned it, if that was something Apple considered during its development.

Time will tell I suppose as more apps and uses for the Pencil develop. It'll be a fun ride at least.

 

[Ries]

1/4 of Apple's profit was from upselling storage at ripoff prices. They know how much storage people need/use, so they will make sure the base model just has not enough and the next step is plenty at a hefty price.

 

[TrueBlou]

1/4 of Apple's profit was from upselling storage at ripoff prices. They know how much storage people need/use, so they will make sure the base model just has not enough and the next step is plenty at a hefty price.

Well it's impossible to know really, they don't break down the numbers in enough detail. But I'd say your probably not far off.
I'd wager that most people buying higher capacity devices would do so anyway regardless of what the base model is.

More and more, even on these forums, you see people wanting higher storage capacities. The base models are fine for first timers or people who really don't take advantage of all the device has to offer (like my dad who's amassed an impressive total of four downloads in five years.) So I'd put good money on most sales being higher capacity devices regardless.

Which of course means your right anyway

 

[rui no onna]

I'd wager that most people buying higher capacity devices would do so anyway regardless of what the base model is.

More and more, even on these forums, you see people wanting higher storage capacities. The base models are fine for first timers or people who really don't take advantage of all the device has to offer (like my dad who's amassed an impressive total of four downloads in five years.) So I'd put good money on most sales being higher capacity devices regardless.

Which of course means your right anyway

Given the low average selling price (ASP) on their SEC filings, I'd actually wager most sales are of base models.

 

[macguy360]

Well it's impossible to know really, they don't break down the numbers in enough detail. But I'd say your probably not far off.
I'd wager that most people buying higher capacity devices would do so anyway regardless of what the base model is.

More and more, even on these forums, you see people wanting higher storage capacities. The base models are fine for first timers or people who really don't take advantage of all the device has to offer (like my dad who's amassed an impressive total of four downloads in five years.) So I'd put good money on most sales being higher capacity devices regardless.

Which of course means your right anyway

So if 16gb or even 32gb isn't a reasonable amount of memory to realistically use the device, then the real price of the device is $749 for the iPad Pro 9.7" and $949 for the 12". Add to the fact that Apple is decreasing the options so that you can't get anything in between, the price of the iPad is essentially going up.

 

[TrueBlou]

Given the low average selling price (ASP) on their SEC filings, I'd actually wager most sales are of base models.

Really? That's surprising when you consider how often people here complain about storage space. Mind you, we on here hardly represent the average consumer do we

 

[rui no onna]

Really? That's surprising when you consider how often people here complain about storage space. Mind you, we on here hardly represent the average consumer do we

The average iPad buyer probably isn't even aware that MacRumors exists.

 

[dumastudetto]

Really? That's surprising when you consider how often people here complain about storage space. Mind you, we on here hardly represent the average consumer do we

Exactly most "normal" people have no idea about this stuff. That's why there are passionate arguments about whether Apple should still be selling 16gb iPhones, because it's what most people end up getting by default.

 

[TrueBlou]

So if 16gb or even 32gb isn't a reasonable amount of memory to realistically use the device, then the real price of the device is $749 for the iPad Pro 9.7" and $949 for the 12". Add to the fact that Apple is decreasing the options so that you can't get anything in between, the price of the iPad is essentially going up.

For those of us who want higher capacity you're probably right. But there is a market for the base models. I mentioned my dad, but he's just one of many people, especially older people, I know who are perfectly happy with basic memory. They don't fill it up the way we would.

Heck even I don't fill mine up as much anymore either. All of my music is in the cloud. So there's 20 odd gig saved just there. My home movies are all in the cloud as well, as are photos and a lot of the documents I use.

I got a 128GB iPad Pro, it's currently not even a quarter full.
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Exactly most "normal" people have no idea about this stuff. That's why there are passionate arguments about whether Apple should still be selling 16gb iPhones, because it's what most people end up getting by default.

So very true.

 

[HiItsMe]

Exactly most "normal" people have no idea about this stuff. That's why there are passionate arguments about whether Apple should still be selling 16gb iPhones, because it's what most people end up getting by default.

16gb?!? Isn't the iOS alone that big these days?

 

[TrueBlou]

16gb?!? Isn't the iOS alone that big these days?

I'm taking that's a bit tongue in cheek? iOS 9 is about 1.3GB and that's a massive drop from iOS 8's 4.5Gb(ish)

 

[macguy360]

For those of us who want higher capacity you're probably right. But there is a market for the base models. I mentioned my dad, but he's just one of many people, especially older people, I know who are perfectly happy with basic memory. They don't fill it up the way we would.

Heck even I don't fill mine up as much anymore either. All of my music is in the cloud. So there's 20 odd gig saved just there. My home movies are all in the cloud as well, as are photos and a lot of the documents I use.

I got a 128GB iPad Pro, it's currently not even a quarter full.
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So very true.

There are many people who are perfectly happy buying the base model, but then they fill it up and don't even realize what is taking up all the space. Then they don't know what to do and end up doing a full restore on the device. I have known several non-techie people who have done this.

 

[TrueBlou]

There are many people who are perfectly happy buying the base model, but then they fill it up and don't even realize what is taking up all the space. Then they don't know what to do and end up doing a full restore on the device. I have known several non-techie people who have done this.

Also true indeed. There's always two sides and, at least, two types of user.
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The average iPad buyer probably isn't even aware that MacRumors exists.

Shame, think of all the fun they miss out on

 

[HiItsMe]

I'm taking that's a bit tongue in cheek? iOS 9 is about 1.3GB and that's a massive drop from iOS 8's 4.5Gb(ish)

I was serious but using the term iOS improperly. What I meant is that I have a 128gb Pro and my usable space out of the box was 114gb. I know the reduction is scaled to the listed capacity but geez, I wonder how much usable space a "16gb" device would have these days.