Other Apple is slowing down older iPhones based on battery wear level [MERGED]

[Jimmy James]

Craziest part of this is dropping 1k on an iPhone X gets you what .. 365 days at full performance? It's like you're renting time at full performance from Apple. In year 2, to continue at full performance you need to spend money on a battery upgrade to tell the software to give you full speed again.

You're exactly right. It's like a performance lease with an expensive annual in-app-purchase. Except you have to actually go to the store and spend your time, too.

 

[cbreze]

Wish I had known all of this before updating my iPhone 7 to 11.2, as that is apparently where they inserted the code. I'd a been just fine without that wonderful update.

 

[Jimmy James]

read my comment again mr so cool. i said most probably. it has nothing to do with sheeps. i am a freaking software engineer and i know how does updates work. and i am totally with apple on this one, its all about user experience. but end user wont understand that coz they dont have much of a knowledge. i dont care about your android but every company in this world care about user experience and they tweak the software so that the user can has the best experience. so if your so called wonderful android is running fine then good for you!

A good user experience is getting full performance from my unit until the battery needs replacement. And then replacing the battery.

The outcome of this premature throttling has the same effect as planned obsolescence whether or not that was actually the intent.
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Wish I had known all of this before updating my iPhone 7 to 11.2, as that is apparently where they inserted the code. I'd a been just fine without that wonderful update.

So if I stay on 10.3.3 I'm unaffected?

 

[cbreze]

A good user experience is getting full performance from my unit until the battery needs replacement. And then replacing the battery.

The outcome of this premature throttling has the same effect as planned obsolescence whether or not that was actually the intent.
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So if I stay on 10.3.3 I'm unaffected?

With a 7, yes, that's the way I understand it

 

[bushman4]

As of right now there are 5 class action lawsuits about Apple throttling iPhone speed. There are thousands of customers upset and wanting compensation. There are multiple stories on news channels as well as the Walk Street Journal, Barrons and other major newspapers. Numerous websites at least 10 that I count are reporting this story
And the timing of the year couldn’t be worse being it’s just after a new iPhone launch and the Christmas holidays when Apple has its biggest financial quarter
And after everything I said don’t expect anything to come out of any of this!!
Why? Very simple. , Apple will ride the safety issue . Apples mistake is not telling people what they are doing so they’ll get a slap on the wrist
Bottom Line: Apple wins we lose

 

[rawCpoppa]

You realize that there's quite a bit more to CPU than just the clock speed? Just like there's quite a bit more to iPhones than just the CPU?

(None of this is to say that the clock speed doesn't affect things or that throttling isn't affecting some, just that hyperbolic rhetorical statements, like A11 becoming A9 or iPhone 7 becoming iPhone 6, are basically just that.)

Maybe because..we don’t know anymore with apple?

 

[C DM]

Maybe because..we don’t know anymore with apple?

That doesn't really have much to do with what I commented on.

 

[Radon87000]

You realize that there's quite a bit more to CPU than just the clock speed? Just like there's quite a bit more to iPhones than just the CPU?

(None of this is to say that the clock speed doesn't affect things or that throttling isn't affecting some, just that hyperbolic rhetorical statements, like A11 becoming A9 or iPhone 7 becoming iPhone 6, are basically just that.)

There is no hyperbole here. There have been many screenshots which show the iPhone 7 has been slowed down to 6s speeds and this is after just 1 year.

The clock speed has an effect on how responsive the OS runs. There is a noticeable difference in speed when low power mode is turned on so throttling turns the A10 into an A9 and probably a few months from now it will become an A8 with further throttling.


Apple has no right to slow down my phone after it becomes my property. I want to decide whether I want to trade speed for battery and I want to be informed that my phone is running slow because of a substandard battery. I shouldn’t need to be a software engineer to figure out why my phone is slow. In the current scenario there are probably thousands who bought a new iPhone thinking that it has become old.

Apple has completely lost my trust in their software updates(if there was any left after how they treated the iPhone 7 on iOS 11) and I would rather remain on an outdated version like Android rather than getting a slow phone which interferes in my daily usage.

What’s to say they won’t suddenly decide IPhone 7 is 2 years old in iOS 12 and throttle it even further. What’s to say they decide IPhone X is a year old and throttle it in 2018?

 

[C DM]

There is no hyperbole here. There have been many screenshots which show the iPhone 7 has been slowed down to 6s speeds and this is after just 1 year.

The clock speed has an effect on how responsive the OS runs. There is a noticeable difference in speed when low power mode is turned on so throttling turns the A10 into an A9 and probably a few months from now it will become an A8 with further throttling.


Apple has no right to slow down my phone after it becomes my property. I want to decide whether I want to trade speed for battery and I want to be informed that my phone is running slow because of a substandard battery. I shouldn’t need to be a software engineer to figure out why my phone is slow. In the current scenario there are probably thousands who bought a new iPhone thinking that it has become old.

Apple has completely lost my trust in their software updates(if there was any left after how they treated the iPhone 7 on iOS 11) and I would rather remain on an outdated version like Android rather than getting a slow phone which interferes in my daily usage.

What’s to say they won’t suddenly decide IPhone 7 is 2 years old in iOS 12 and throttle it even further. What’s to say they decide IPhone X is a year old and throttle it in 2018?

Aside from rather CPU/GPU intensive apps, there's really no significantly noticeable slowdown from Low Power Mode. And Low Power Mode doesn't change much when it comes to the CPU aside from the clock rate. So, hyperbole indeed when it comes to that.

As far as any of the rest of the Apple stuff, that's not related to what I commented on, so that's all moot in relation to that.

 

[Radon87000]

As of right now there are 5 class action lawsuits about Apple throttling iPhone speed. There are thousands of customers upset and wanting compensation. There are multiple stories on news channels as well as the Walk Street Journal, Barrons and other major newspapers. Numerous websites at least 10 that I count are reporting this story
And the timing of the year couldn’t be worse being it’s just after a new iPhone launch and the Christmas holidays when Apple has its biggest financial quarter
And after everything I said don’t expect anything to come out of any of this!!
Why? Very simple. , Apple will ride the safety issue . Apples mistake is not telling people what they are doing so they’ll get a slap on the wrist
Bottom Line: Apple wins we lose

If Samsung got past an exploding battery with no issues this is nothing for Apple. It’s why they don’t care.
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Aside from rather CPU/GPU intensive apps, there's really no significantly noticeable slowdown from Low Power Mode. And Low Power Mode doesn't change much when it comes to the CPU aside from the clock rate. So, hyperbole indeed when it comes to that.

As far as any of the rest of the Apple stuff, that's not related to what I commented on, so that's all moot in relation to that.

http://www.idownloadblog.com/2015/09/29/low-power-mode-iphone-6s-throttle-iphone-5s/
With this in mind, it’s no wonder why Low Power Mode can save so much battery life. It’s basically taking your iPhone 6s back two generations to iPhone 5s territory:

 

[C DM]

If Samsung got past an exploding battery with no issues this is nothing for Apple. It’s why they don’t care.
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http://www.idownloadblog.com/2015/09/29/low-power-mode-iphone-6s-throttle-iphone-5s/
With this in mind, it’s no wonder why Low Power Mode can save so much battery life. It’s basically taking your iPhone 6s back two generations to iPhone 5s territory:

And that shows the clock rate being throttled, as I mentioned. Nothing about the actual chip architecture or cores or something else of that sort.

 

[Radon87000]

And that shows the clock rate being throttled, as I mentioned. Nothing about the actual chip architecture or cores or something else of that sort.

When I turn on low power mode load times increase and I start noticing stuttering throughout the OS and this is on an iPhone X.

It’s the reason why I have never used it.

 

[C DM]

When I turn on low power mode load times increase and I start noticing stuttering throughout the OS and this is on an iPhone X.

It’s the reason why I have never used it.

It's interesting how there are many long complaint threads basically year after year over things like fraction of a second differences in responses to something or a few frames being dropped occasionally in some animation somewhere, yet not much about Low Power Mode causing meaningfully noticeable performance effects...until now when it became convenient for that suddenly to be the case all along.

 

[Radon87000]

https://www.theverge.com/circuitbre.../iphone-slowdown-is-needed-but-also-a-problem

iPhones start slowing down after a year of use, and that’s way too soon

Apple intentionally slows down iPhones as they get older. I don't know how many times I heard people say this as a conspiracy theory — one that I've dismissed, chalking it up to operating system updates and more demanding apps — but it turns out, it's true.

But it also speaks to a really enormous problem with the iPhone: this $700 to $1,000-plus product, as designed, isn't able to function near its peak after just a year of use. That should be unacceptable.

Apple’s story isn't really that much better though, because it means that Apple is knowingly designing and selling products that begin to fall apart after a year — which certainly has a way of encouraging people to buy a new one. This isn't something buyers are warned about, and they aren't presented with options to fix it. It's always just been assumed that you have to buy a new phone, which is a big expense.

 

[Radon87000]

It's interesting how there are many long complaint threads basically year after year over things like fraction of a second differences in responses to something or a few frames being dropped occasionally in some animation somewhere, yet not much about Low Power Mode causing meaningfully noticeable performance effects...until now when it became convenient for that suddenly to be the case all along.

That’s because low power mode is optional and those obsessed about performance like me never used it.

 

[Radon87000]

I wonder how this recent development affects Timmy’s marketing chart for iOS 12. I think it’s going to be even lower than iOS 11.

 

[C DM]

That’s because low power mode is optional and those obsessed about performance like me never used it.

Those kinds of things haven't prevented people from complaining about something.

And, just so that things don't conveniently get deflected, that doesn't really change anything as far as what I originally commented on goes.

 

[RumorConsumer]

Except that, before this throttlegate news happened, Apple has already admitted "a very small number" of iPhone 6s models had defective batteries and issued a recall. [1] Also, batteries in earlier iPhone wear out but didn't need this software cheat that throttles the cpu.


[1] https://www.apple.com/support/iphone6s-unexpectedshutdown/

Granted the "a small number" often does mean "almost all of them".

I can think of a bunch of good reasons this didnt affect them before... CPU power draw increasing with higher clock speed ceilings, etc. We dont have the facts yet to say.

 

[C DM]

Granted the "a small number" often does mean "almost all of them".

I can think of a bunch of good reasons this didnt affect them before... CPU power draw increasing with higher clock speed ceilings, etc. We dont have the facts yet to say.

Don't think anywhere even remotely close to "almost all of them" applied to iPhone 6s phones that were suffering from unexpected shutdowns.

 

[I7guy]

I wonder how this recent development affects Timmy’s marketing chart for iOS 12. I think it’s going to be even lower than iOS 11.

No change, is my guess. You’ll be the first on line for iOS 12.

 

[Radon87000]

No change, is my guess. You’ll be the first on line for iOS 12.

Obviously I will be on iOS 12. I am getting the X Plus. I am keeping my X on 11 and my iPad Pro on iOS 10.

 

[I7guy]

Obviously I will be on iOS 12. I am getting the X Plus. I am keeping my X on 11 and my iPad Pro on iOS 10.

My 5s, 6s, 6s+, 7 will be on iOS 12.

 

[0014]

The problem is that the threshold for what Apple says is a bad battery and when the throttling begins is not the same. People have reported that they had their battery checked and Apple said it was fine yet the phone was still throttled.

The thing is, no other manufacturer of smartphones has ever had to implement a throttle to keep phones from suddenly shutting down due to battery voltage. Three and four year old phones running at the same speed as new without shutting down even though the battery is degraded to the point that it will only hold a charge for 4 or 5 hours. So what is the design flaw in Apple phones or batteries that is causing them to shut down.

Whilst I’m not calling anyone a liar. If they prove their phone is being throttled, quite easy with Geekbench, and Apple say the battery is fine. It clearly isn’t fine. So Apple should replace it.

Has anyone shown a report from Apple to say their battery is fine and the phone is being throttled? I haven’t read every message in this thread so might have missed it.

But if they have they would have good cause to force Apple to replace the battery FoC. Especially in the USA where consumer rights are very heavily protected.

 

[0014]

The only way Apple will do anything about this is if people vote with their feet. If they see a sustained big drop in sales over a couple of quarters then they’ll address it. If not then they’ll ride the negative PR and it will go away.

It’s unlikely a mass amount of people will vote with their feet as some are heavily tied into the Apple ecosystem now.

This isn’t antennagate all over again and unless something happens with the lawsuits then it will be business as usual for them.

 

[anonymous guy]

Whilst I’m not calling anyone a liar. If they prove their phone is being throttled, quite easy with Geekbench, and Apple say the battery is fine. It clearly isn’t fine. So Apple should replace it.

Has anyone shown a report from Apple to say their battery is fine and the phone is being throttled? I haven’t read every message in this thread so might have missed it.

But if they have they would have good cause to force Apple to replace the battery FoC. Especially in the USA where consumer rights are very heavily protected.

If you show a synthetic benchmark or battery life statistic to an "Apple Genius," they will do nothing about it.

Either it fails their 80% diagnostic benchmark, or you don't get a battery replacement.

Even if you insist and shove $80 cash in their face, they will not touch your device to replace the battery.