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Other Apple is slowing down older iPhones based on battery wear level [MERGED]
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Thus have also made it impossible for battery apps to get diagnostic info and we need to resort to coconut battery. The average joe searchs for battery apps on the App Store and such apps were the first to show up. Apple purposely made it impossible for these apps to get info so they can implement planned obsolescence.
Realistically speaking, although it's not good that cycle count isn't provided or that the capacity is more or less rounded, it's possible to get a decent idea of the available capacity even if it's rounded. Coconut Battery is certainly better though at the moment.
I don’t think it’s to do with the health as in amount of capacity. I think it’s to do with faulty batteries that can’t produce the load.
Eg a 3.7v 2500mah Battery produces the same power as a 3.7v 3500mah Battery.
It’s just one lasts longer than the other. The problem is the ones that are being asked to produce a load they can’t.
So if two identical 6s phones are being asked to produce a certain load and one can only produce it then the other one triggers the throttling.
There is also a warning in iOS to tell you if there’s a problem with the battery.
WOW, I think this may be the first time this has ever been shown throughout the whole battery issue!!! is this for real?I don’t think it’s to do with the health as in amount of capacity. I think it’s to do with faulty batteries that can’t produce the load.
Eg a 3.7v 2500mah Battery produces the same power as a 3.7v 3500mah Battery.
It’s just one lasts longer than the other. The problem is the ones that are being asked to produce a load they can’t.
So if two identical 6s phones are being asked to produce a certain load and one can only produce it then the other one triggers the throttling.
There is also a warning in iOS to tell you if there’s a problem with the battery.
I get why people are annoyed as they have paid a lot of money for the phone. I’ve just bought an X and would be a bit irked if they throttled it.
BUT to put in perspective I’ll use cars as an example.
Pretty much any car will go into limp mode (ECU ‘throttles’ the performance) if certain components fail or parameters aren’t met within the engine.
If you have a warranty it’s fixed FoC. If you don’t you pay for it to be fixed.
It’s the same with an iPhone. If the battery fails Apples test (just the same as if your car fails a service centre diagnostic test) it will be replaced FoC in warranty or you can pay if out of warranty.
I don’t recall ever seeing any car manufacturer mention in the sales brochure that their car may go into limp mode if something isn’t right in the engine.
The other thing to remember is that the throttling of the phone only takes place during peak loads. Something that Geekbench replicates to test the performance.
In reality most people won’t notice the throttling for day to day tasks (calls, emails, texts etc).
BUT to put in perspective I’ll use cars as an example.
Pretty much any car will go into limp mode (ECU ‘throttles’ the performance) if certain components fail or parameters aren’t met within the engine.
If you have a warranty it’s fixed FoC. If you don’t you pay for it to be fixed.
It’s the same with an iPhone. If the battery fails Apples test (just the same as if your car fails a service centre diagnostic test) it will be replaced FoC in warranty or you can pay if out of warranty.
I don’t recall ever seeing any car manufacturer mention in the sales brochure that their car may go into limp mode if something isn’t right in the engine.
The other thing to remember is that the throttling of the phone only takes place during peak loads. Something that Geekbench replicates to test the performance.
In reality most people won’t notice the throttling for day to day tasks (calls, emails, texts etc).
Did you look at his post? The small warning at the top of his battery settings page.
It’s not mine. It’s freely available to see from Apple. It was introduced from 10.2.1 which I think is when the throttling started.
Noted. It was meant more to refer to your post where you showed it.
I had never seen it and there are a lot of posters that apparently haven't seen it either.
When you car goes into limp mode, the check engine light goes on to indicate there is an issue with something. The way Apple implemented this, there was no sign that something was malfunctioning at all... (it happens even before the battery replacement indication) People are only complaining about the cost when it is in "limp" mode, while Apple refuses to replace the battery during warranty. And the worse part is, Apple is throttling AND saying batteries are fine if it pasts their 80% test. If the battery is fine by them, there should be no reason they are throttling at all. They need to make up their mind, is the battery bad, and requires throttling, or is it not?
When the OS is rendering the display it is easy to tell that things are running slower. People are reporting that they notice a major difference after replacing the battery, so it wouldn't just be "In reality most people won’t notice the throttling for day to day tasks (calls, emails, texts etc)" type thing.
We've got amazing pocket-computers full of all sorts of advanced tech... but you need to change the battery after a year or so.
Will physical maintenance become a common thing in smartphones?
Like changing spark plugs in a car after so many miles?
Will physical maintenance become a common thing in smartphones?
Like changing spark plugs in a car after so many miles?
Except imagine bringing your car to the dealer to ask why it's in limp mode, only to have them tell you everything is perfectly fine with it.
Even worse, imagine it's just because the brakes are partially worn that the ECU was programmed to go into limp mode.
Apple is throttling CPUs (secretly) based on battery health, even on batteries that Apple reports as "Healthy" and not in need of replacement.
Ok. So, I just upgraded my 6+ (which is my beta testing phone) to 11.2.5. I have a feeling that Apple snuck in a fix to the battery throttling issue. Here is my history:
If you will notice my two runs after the update were 1479 and 1559, while prior was 1019 and 823. I have not changed the battery. Now, to be fair, I do have more of a charge now (93%).
This was the latest with the comparison it is out preforming expectations:
The battery wear from battery life app (I do not have a mac to run any other tests):
If you will notice my two runs after the update were 1479 and 1559, while prior was 1019 and 823. I have not changed the battery. Now, to be fair, I do have more of a charge now (93%).
This was the latest with the comparison it is out preforming expectations:
The battery wear from battery life app (I do not have a mac to run any other tests):
Some genius, then what good is he? Just a scripted flunky.
I got that warning on my iPhone 6 when I bought a new battery for it. Its not new
I was under the impression there was no throttling on the iphone 6s plus ..oh well probably my last iPhone when the warranty runs out.
never know if they (ever) admit there is a problem they might replace my battery lmao
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...update rerun test and it was 2541 4372 so maybe its just a timing thing as to when your phone up time and or fully charged battery as thats a fair bit better this time
The throttling kicks in on some phones when your battery percentage is around 50-60.
If your phone gets throttled just don’t buy another iPhone. To me personally what they are doing is insulting my money spent and have the gall to demand more via the battery.
And if longetiivty was the objective why are the iPads and Macs not throttled? Simply because Apple knows they are sales sensitive areas.