Did you even read what I linked?
This doesn't fit the narrative developing, so I am sure you'll come back with some non-sense.
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Did you even read what I linked?
This doesn't fit the narrative developing, so I am sure you'll come back with some non-sense.
A device being subject to throttling doesn't mean that it is actually being throttled. Logic.
What part of what you quoted mentioned throttling? I specifically went to your link and read it then posted so please point out how that quote mentions Apple resolves power spikes by throttling. It does not.
Its happening on all phones. The degree of throttling depends on the circumstances and now there is no longer a guartantee your device isn't throttling by a small amount
Excerpt from the letter.
"This power management works by looking at a combination of the device temperature, battery state of charge, and the battery’s impedance. Only if these variables require it, iOS will dynamically manage the maximum performance of some system components, such as the CPU and GPU in order to prevent unexpected shutdowns. As a result, the device workloads will self-balance, allowing a smoother distribution of system tasks, rather than larger, quick spikes of performance all at once.In some cases, a user may not notice any differences in daily device performance. The level of perceived change depends on how much power management is required for a particular device.
In cases that require more extreme forms of this power management, the user may notice effects such as:
- Longer app launch times
- Lower frame rates while scrolling
- Backlight dimming (which can be overridden in Control Center)
- Lower speaker volume by up to -3dB
- Gradual frame rate reductions in some apps
- During the most extreme cases, the camera flash will be disabled as visible in the camera UI
- Apps refreshing in background may require reloading upon launch
What do you think "power management" refers to exactly?
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And you included the important part that you conveniently overlook since it doesn't fit the narrative, as usual: "...Only if these variables require it..."
So now that Samsung, LG, HTC and Motorola have all come out and said they do not throttle the CPU due to battery wear, the question remains what is the issue with Apple hardware that causes their phones to shut down unexpectedly since no other phones have this issue.
No other phones have this issue? How do you know that? Surely you could find an owner of one of those other phones who has kept one so long that it stopped working reliably because the battery degraded too much.
No other phones have ever required software throttling of the CPU in order to eliminate shutdowns due to degraded battery.
I have a Droid Maxx as a backup phone that was purchased in 2013 that still runs the same as new, granted the battery doesn't last that long but it has never shutdown randomly due to it and Motorola hasn't had to throttle it to keep it from happening. My cousin also has a Samsung Galaxy S6 that is 2 1/2 years old and it hasn't been throttled either.
Apple is implementing this "feature" to one year old phones. If your phone can't last at least a couple years without having random shutdowns due to battery then that is a very bad design. Also why was this "feature" never mentioned anywhere by Apple until it was discovered by users. And why is the battery wear level threshold that determines throttling higher than the level that Apple determines you have a bad battery, shouldn't they be the same? The iPhone 7 Plus will definitely be my last Apple product.
You will justify anything to support Apple on this topic despite them apologizing because they are aware that throttling was hidden. They are admitting that “power management” does not mean throttling to the masses else Apple would not have apologized.
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Didn’t overlook it. They say it looks at battery wear level and temperatures to decide it. If your battery is worne out it will enable throttling. All iPhone 7 models have battery wear at this point so a small amount of throttling is already turned on which May explain the minor 100 points changes we get every time we run Geekbench
If your battery has zero wear like on a brand new iPhone 7 throttling won’t be enabled.
Minor variations are normal and likely within a margin of error. Even brand new iPhone 7's won't benchmark exactly the same on each run. Could be due to minor fluctuations in clock frequency or perhaps an app refreshing in the background or something.
Speed reduction due to worsening battery is more pronounced as shown in the Geekbench graph.
The $29 offer is only for 2018. Why would a iPhone x need a replacement battery in 2018?
If I had the choice between an app opening 0.025 seconds slower or a phone that could only hold a charge half as long as it could, I'd take the slower app opening.
And that's ultimately the decision that Apple made. A few milliseconds here or there doesn't matter. I'd argue that these Geekbench metrics don't matter either. My mom doesn't care about a fraction of a second delay to send an email; she cares that her phone is still operating when she goes out to dinner and a movie and needs to be able to be reached by family. "100 point changes we get when we run Geekbench"? Who cares?
What does that have to do with what I was commenting on?
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It doesn't say simply if it's just worse than brand new, only that if the mentioned variables require it. Anything beyond that is someone putting their opinion into it, which they are certainly welcome to, as long as they don't try to misrepresent it as what's actually stated and known.
The nexus 6p sudden shutdowns was due to defective batteries, not old batteries.
It makes no difference. The issue here is batteries, not firmware.
The very people who clamor for Apple to innovate and push the boundaries are the same ones who are screaming the loudest when the battery technology can't keep up. Pick one already. Either take the extra features and know it's going to shorten your battery life or eschew the extra features and get that magic third year out of your power supply. Can't have it both ways. It's physics. No one forced you to upgrade your iPhone 6 to iOS 11.
They clearly state that power management is employed to resolve this.
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No they are not, they haven’t said that. You are choosing to interpret that. What effect do you think reducing power has on a CPU...This really doesn’t haven’t to be this hard...
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Exactly that...I’ve never ran a benchmark on a phone...I honestly can’t see the point. And if it is taking 10 seconds as some state to simply answer a phone call then I assume something is wrong with it and take it to a service centre to be looked at....So many drama queens around...
I don't know what's the argument all about. Either people have turned blind or they simply can't accept the fact that their god (read Apple) can be wrong.
I used to be on the android bandwagon a couple years ago and I can't be more happy having moved to iOS(X user now) but this doesn't stop me from saying that Apple is wrong and a mere apology or $29 battery replacement isn't the solution (either make it permanent and the user should be able to get it as per their convenience and not when an apple diagnostic says they're eligible)
The people who argue that prolonged battery is what you'd take over a .025 sec slowdown, FYI, you aren't getting prolonged battery in the first place. It simply prevents the phone from shutting down randomly, the battery life on an old iPhone would still be worse than a new device. So its not that an old iPhone keeps lasting as long as a new one just that it slows down!
Also, for people who have to say how do we know that other phones don't randomly shut down. Simply put, they don't! I know it by using at least 13-14 different cellphones over the course of my life. At max I have had this issue with cellphones that were older than 4 years and with way older battery technology. This certainly means Apple has done something wrong, either they use cheap batteries and covering up for it or they are doing it on purpose for people to upgrade. There is no other explanation no matter what the blind fans would come up with.
Apple implementing this feature in iPhones over a year old itself sounds wrong when Apple itself during its first iPhone unveiling said that "most users would never need a battery replacement during their products lifetime". Now they mean their batteries aren't even good to last a year? and would need to be throttled to prevent random shutdowns? I would still be able to accept this had this been implemented on devices which were 2 years or older.
So, people who have gone blind, I know love can do that but come on, apple ain't a beautiful girl. Most, I can term it a w**re, a very beautiful and expensive one at that and someone you should not fall in love with.
I used to be on the android bandwagon a couple years ago and I can't be more happy having moved to iOS(X user now) but this doesn't stop me from saying that Apple is wrong and a mere apology or $29 battery replacement isn't the solution (either make it permanent and the user should be able to get it as per their convenience and not when an apple diagnostic says they're eligible)
The people who argue that prolonged battery is what you'd take over a .025 sec slowdown, FYI, you aren't getting prolonged battery in the first place. It simply prevents the phone from shutting down randomly, the battery life on an old iPhone would still be worse than a new device. So its not that an old iPhone keeps lasting as long as a new one just that it slows down!
Also, for people who have to say how do we know that other phones don't randomly shut down. Simply put, they don't! I know it by using at least 13-14 different cellphones over the course of my life. At max I have had this issue with cellphones that were older than 4 years and with way older battery technology. This certainly means Apple has done something wrong, either they use cheap batteries and covering up for it or they are doing it on purpose for people to upgrade. There is no other explanation no matter what the blind fans would come up with.
Apple implementing this feature in iPhones over a year old itself sounds wrong when Apple itself during its first iPhone unveiling said that "most users would never need a battery replacement during their products lifetime". Now they mean their batteries aren't even good to last a year? and would need to be throttled to prevent random shutdowns? I would still be able to accept this had this been implemented on devices which were 2 years or older.
So, people who have gone blind, I know love can do that but come on, apple ain't a beautiful girl. Most, I can term it a w**re, a very beautiful and expensive one at that and someone you should not fall in love with.
I Don't see the appropriateness with your post. However, when some apply the term 'blind', it's just that you don't agree with other viewpoints more or less because of iit own frustration. But that's just it, some don't care, because they're not affected by Apples methods. So why should they care, which others can happily continue to support Apple why others remain persistently bitter. Its a matter of choice.
If one didn’t care they wouldn’t be defending Apple so vociferously in multiple threads.
Which is the target demographic that got swindled the hardest. The mom or the casual user that only cares about email, social media and simple games with little regard to power pushing and performance.
Once it got to the point where it took 5 seconds to open the camera app or execute the email app, the first instinct was not to purchase a new battery. It was to upgrade to the newest phone.
I'm sure many people would have been content using their old phone if they knew a battery was all that was needed. It's funny to read social media reactions to the $29 battery consolation and angry comments from people asking why they spent $800 in the first place.
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Good luck getting your battery replaced easily.
My daughter's iPhone was being throttled as proven by Geekbench4 and cpudasher64. Her iPhone 6S was made in November 2015, just after the October 2015 battery recall date for the iPhone 6S. Her battery was at or slightly under 80% on my tests (yet always over on Apple's tests) and her iPhone 6S is still under Applecare warranty. She went to the Apple Store on the 27th and they refused to do anything. They were rude and said they don't look at 3rd party benchmark or CPU tests and that the battery tested fine on their test.
I told her to just buy the replacement battery and she did which immediately restored CPU speeds to normal.
When I saw the announcement Thursday (28th) I called Applecare to complain and they authorized a refund which they said had to be done at the store. When I went to the store they refused to apply the refund. I had to argue for half an hour before they actually read the Applecare Case ID and agreed.
Two rude 'geniuses' told me they were dreading all the battery replacement visits they were going to get and said the battery would still have to fail some tests before they would replace it under the new $29 terms, regardless of 3rd party CPU tests.
Good luck getting your battery replaced easily.
My daughter's iPhone was being throttled as proven by Geekbench4 and cpudasher64. Her iPhone 6S was made in November 2015, just after the October 2015 battery recall date for the iPhone 6S. Her battery was at or slightly under 80% on my tests (yet always over on Apple's tests) and her iPhone 6S is still under Applecare warranty. She went to the Apple Store on the 27th and they refused to do anything. They were rude and said they don't look at 3rd party benchmark or CPU tests and that the battery tested fine on their test.
I told her to just buy the replacement battery and she did which immediately restored CPU speeds to normal.
When I saw the announcement Thursday (28th) I called Applecare to complain and they authorized a refund which they said had to be done at the store. When I went to the store they refused to apply the refund. I had to argue for half an hour before they actually read the Applecare Case ID and agreed.
Two rude 'geniuses' told me they were dreading all the battery replacement visits they were going to get and said the battery would still have to fail some tests before they would replace it under the new $29 terms, regardless of 3rd party CPU tests.