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My daughter's iPhone 6S was and is still running IOS 10.3. It started shutting down less than a year into it's life, and IOS 10.2.1 was released to deal with the shutdowns and throttle about a year after it was made. So the new IOS argument is bogus.

It's not bogus. Every once in a while you can get lucky but for the most part no one should jump two iOS's on any device.

My iPad Air II shipped with iOS 8 in 2014, I pushed my luck up to iOS 10, will never in a million years move it up to iOS 11.

And on iOS 10, by the way, it works just as it did when new, I just flew to Hong Kong from NYC for 16 hours on a single charge and landed with 30% battery left.

It's the iOS, not the battery. Trust me on this one.
 
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Surely they are doing the same to iPads. Hell knows, laptops even!

And iPods, even Newtons too!

Apple themselves don’t care about the Mac. It’s a niche area for them kinda like Windows Phone was for Microsoft. Most of Apple’s products are centered around iOS for this reason. Doesn’t make sense to throttle the laptop in such a case and even if they did try to it’s extrmely easy to overclock it back to stock clocks.

As far as iPads go, considering the declining sales so far till this year they aren’t confident enough to execute this strategy there. It would be playing with fire.

The iPhone is an established revenue generator and nothing can stop it, not even an exploding phone hence Apple knows they can get away with it.
 
Apple’s letter makes it clear all older iPhones are affected. The power management is now enabled on all phones till the iPhone 7. The degree to which it’s being used depends. If your wear Level is 98% or so there will be slight amount of throttling which won’t show up on Geekbench but may happen while executing other tasks. If your battery is in the 80s then your phone may be throttled permanently.

The degree of power management depends. But it’s there.
You have proof of this?
 
You have proof of this?
That's what I understood from Apple's letter

"This power management works by looking at a combination of the device temperature, battery state of charge, and the battery’s impedance. Only if these variables require it, iOS will dynamically manage the maximum performance of some system components, such as the CPU and GPU in order to prevent unexpected shutdowns. As a result, the device workloads will self-balance, allowing a smoother distribution of system tasks, rather than larger, quick spikes of performance all at once. In some cases, a user may not notice any differences in daily device performance. The level of perceived change depends on how much power management is required for a particular device"

"For a low battery state of charge and colder temperatures, power management changes are temporary. If a device battery has chemically aged far enough, power management changes may be more lasting"



Power management is initiated based on battery wear level in combination with your current level of charge and battery temperature. If you battery is only worne out by 2% or so than this adjustment wont be permanent and when you run Geekbench it may not show up sometimes and may at times and likewise in real world usage. As Apple says above at higher levels of wear it can be permanent.

I have been trying to replicate this on my 7 Plus and I can see some variance in my score over the past 10 days. Notice the odd low score showing up in the middle? Its possible to argue it could be a margin of error but I think that's the throttling which happens intermittently. Within 3 successive runs today in 3 minutes one score was 500 points lower than normal before it picked up again. Once it was 1000 points lower
 

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It's not bogus. Every once in a while you can get lucky but for the most part no one should jump two iOS's on any device.

My iPad Air II shipped with iOS 8 in 2014, I pushed my luck up to iOS 10, will never in a million years move it up to iOS 11.

And on iOS 10, by the way, it works just as it did when new, I just flew to Hong Kong from NYC for 16 hours on a single charge and landed with 30% battery left.

It's the iOS, not the battery. Trust me on this one.
This may have been true back when we had 2-3x CPU/GPU performance jumps between generations but Apple chipsets are now at a point where they're comparable to entry level mobile Core processors.

On older iOS devices, updating to one major firmware higher introduces some slight lag, two years and it's too slow. Meanwhile, the Air 2 even on iOS 11 is holding up quite well. Better than iPad 4 + iOS 6 actually although the iPad 4 has a more consistent UI. Surprisingly, even the iPhone 5s isn't doing too badly on iOS 11 after some tweaks (reduce motion enabled, background app refresh disabled, spotlight search disabled, etc).

If a simple battery replacement can fix performance issues on A8/A9/A10-based devices, then that suggests processing power isn't the problem. That said, yes, it's partly an iOS issue. I think Apple may have gotten overly aggressive in their power management on iOS 11.
 
I don't know what's the argument all about. Either people have turned blind or they simply can't accept the fact that their god (read Apple) can be wrong.

I used to be on the android bandwagon a couple years ago and I can't be more happy having moved to iOS(X user now) but this doesn't stop me from saying that Apple is wrong and a mere apology or $29 battery replacement isn't the solution (either make it permanent and the user should be able to get it as per their convenience and not when an apple diagnostic says they're eligible)

The people who argue that prolonged battery is what you'd take over a .025 sec slowdown, FYI, you aren't getting prolonged battery in the first place. It simply prevents the phone from shutting down randomly, the battery life on an old iPhone would still be worse than a new device. So its not that an old iPhone keeps lasting as long as a new one just that it slows down!

Also, for people who have to say how do we know that other phones don't randomly shut down. Simply put, they don't! I know it by using at least 13-14 different cellphones over the course of my life. At max I have had this issue with cellphones that were older than 4 years and with way older battery technology. This certainly means Apple has done something wrong, either they use cheap batteries and covering up for it or they are doing it on purpose for people to upgrade. There is no other explanation no matter what the blind fans would come up with.

Apple implementing this feature in iPhones over a year old itself sounds wrong when Apple itself during its first iPhone unveiling said that "most users would never need a battery replacement during their products lifetime". Now they mean their batteries aren't even good to last a year? and would need to be throttled to prevent random shutdowns? I would still be able to accept this had this been implemented on devices which were 2 years or older.

So, people who have gone blind, I know love can do that but come on, apple ain't a beautiful girl. Most, I can term it a w**re, a very beautiful and expensive one at that and someone you should not fall in love with.

My gripe has been that (1) Apple was throttling iPhones and didn't tell anyone, and (2) doing it to iPhones with levels of battery wear that wasn't bad enough for them to replace the battery when people complained of (a) slow performance or (b) poor battery life.

I completely understand the need tp prevent sudden iPhone shutdowns, but I've heard some people say that their "A##" chips are powerful enough to run a larger MacBook Air. So maybe what Apple is doing wrong is simply using too high of a performance chip in their iPhones, that makes excessive power demands that current "phone-sized" battery technology can't handle yet?
 
I've heard some people say that their "A##" chips are powerful enough to run a larger MacBook Air. So maybe what Apple is doing wrong is simply using too high of a performance chip in their iPhones, that makes excessive power demands that current "phone-sized" battery technology can't handle yet?

Pretty much my theory, and I only own one Speedmaster.
 
Completely agree with this. In my opinion also Apple should stop support for iOS devices beyond 2 years, 3 max. Anything beyond that and they should enable downgrade support for older devices so the user can go back to an older version of he so desires. There is a reason Google doesn't support Pixel beyond 3 years. Devices are just too slow at that point.

I don't agree. Apple should stop pestering people with older devices than 2 years to upgrade, and should give the owner the option to block accidental major updates after the 1st year. But they should allow the option to upgrade 3-4 year old devices if they are warned abut potential performance issues, so that the users can get certain new features that everyone else gets, such as Apple payments via iMessage, etc.

I do agree with getting the ability to downgrade to the previous iOS, at least within 90 days of upgrading if they want to be sticklers about it, but then they'd have to keep providing security updates on older iOS which they don't want to do.

It can't be that hard for Apple to optimize newer versions of iOS to work well on older devices, even if its for the security updates and they can't enable all of the enhanced features.
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It's not bogus. Every once in a while you can get lucky but for the most part no one should jump two iOS's on any device.

My iPad Air II shipped with iOS 8 in 2014, I pushed my luck up to iOS 10, will never in a million years move it up to iOS 11.

And on iOS 10, by the way, it works just as it did when new, I just flew to Hong Kong from NYC for 16 hours on a single charge and landed with 30% battery left.

It's the iOS, not the battery. Trust me on this one.

I'd pay a hundred bucks to officially roll my iPad Air 2 and iPad Mini 4 back to 10.3.3!
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Pretty much my theory, and I only own one Speedmaster.

Which one? Everyone needs a hesalite crystal Speedmaster Pro Moonwatch (mine is a vintage 1976, although I had to grab a few other models too).
 
They do stop the support for older devices eventually.

EG my iPad 3 won’t update beyond iOS 9.3.5.

I agree they should stop the updates after 2 versions. So for me something that ships with iOS9 should stop at the last iOS11

There’s no requirement to do security updates. Anyone who owns a device knows they can’t update it. So they need to accept it may have some security flaws.

If a majorly critical flaw is found then Apple can release a version of that particular OS to address it.

But considering my iPad 3 (which my son uses to watch films and play games on long journeys) is stuck on 9.3.5. It says to me any of these security flaws since are either sloppy coding or aren’t as major as people like to panic about on Social Media.
 
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I think they figured, hey, we sold these fools the same phone for 3 years and they ate it, time to step it up.

Well said.
Customers have to set limits and vote with their wallets because greedy/shady companies will never stop trying to take advantage of the hand that feeds them.
Its pretty sad to get defrauded and lied to by a company that you supported for many years.
 
Well said.
Customers have to set limits and vote with their wallets because greedy/shady companies will never stop trying to take advantage of the hand that feeds them.
Its pretty sad to get defrauded and lied to by a company that you supported for many years.

The people taking advantage are the ones with old, used iPhone's with old, abused batteries who want something for nothing. As usual. You know, the ones who caused the phony Antennagate 'scandal', got a free bumper case out of Apple, and then sold it on eBay for cash.

It's awful that Apple was forced to discount battery service by $50 because of a handful of complainers. If they offer it to me I'll turn them down, whip out my credit card, and pay full price.
 
Interesting how a comment from some of those companies is trustworthy, but when Apple says something then there's usually some malicious motivation that must be somewhere behind whatever it is that they say and they certainly can't be taken at their word.

Can you blame people losing trust and faith in Apple?
After getting caught with their pants down defrauding and lying to their customers.
 
My gripe has been that (1) Apple was throttling iPhones and didn't tell anyone, and (2) doing it to iPhones with levels of battery wear that wasn't bad enough for them to replace the battery when people complained of (a) slow performance or (b) poor battery life.

I completely understand the need tp prevent sudden iPhone shutdowns, but I've heard some people say that their "A##" chips are powerful enough to run a larger MacBook Air. So maybe what Apple is doing wrong is simply using too high of a performance chip in their iPhones, that makes excessive power demands that current "phone-sized" battery technology can't handle yet?
Geekbench has said their single core performance is so high that their batteries can’t keep up with the CPU’s voltage requirements. Android doesn’t have this issue as it’s singlr core performance isn’t as high.

Kinda makes those high performance chips pointless after a year or two.
 
And why would Apple believe a third party app? I wouldn’t accept it either...being rude is not good...But stating that they don’t accept results from third parties isn’t the same as being rude.

Let me guess why.
Because they dont want to admit and pay for their mistakes.
Many 3rd party CPU tests indicate the same along with battery tests.
But Apple will just lie to your face and deny there's anything wrong with your device and that your battery is fine.
Who do you trust? Shady Apple or various 3rd party CPU and battery test apps?
 
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Let me guess why.
Because they dont want to admit and pay for their mistakes.
Many 3rd party CPU tests indicate the same along with battery tests.
But Apple will just lie to your face and deny there's anything wrong with your device and that your battery is fine.
Who do you trust? Shady Apple or various 3rd party CPU and battery test apps?
Third party apps only have access to the APIs that Apple provide them acces with. As such why do you even bring that up as a credible alternative when it is clearly not.
 
Can you blame people losing trust and faith in Apple?
After getting caught with their pants down defrauding and lying to their customers.
There's a spin that can certainly be put on anything to make it worse or better than something really is. And by that measure there isn't really much out there in the real world that can be trusted.
 
So to get the parameters clear about which phones Apple was throttling:

1. Any iPhone 1 model year older than the current
2. Battery wear level below a set tolerance

So current gen iPhones were not throttled nor older iPhones with battery wear above a set tolerance.

My question is: Couldn't a current gen iPhone (in this case 8 or X) be below the battery wear tolerance and hence not be throttled? Looking at Apple's statement it is clear that no matter what a current gen iPhone would not be throttled as this update is clearly only intended for previous gen iPhones.

Doesn't that clearly show Apple's intent is far from being in the best interest of the consumer? It is beyond bad design to implement battery protection software into a phone and make Model Year part of the equation. The only thing that matters is battery wear.

Apple admitted that people were noticing phones slowing down but never considered it was due to the throttling "feature" they installed in phones? Added code but forgot about it? And of course never told customers about it.

Corporations needing to make more and more money for shareholders can never be in sync with "be good not evil".
 
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And why would Apple believe a third party app? I wouldn’t accept it either...being rude is not good...But stating that they don’t accept results from third parties isn’t the same as being rude.
Apple did believe it though as Geekbench were the ones that exposed the throttling in the first place, to which Apple admitted it publicly. If users walk into Apple stores with geekbench scores for their devices and Apple employees dismiss it, then it doesn’t fill me with much confidence they have been trained in what the issue is all about.

It doesn’t surprise me Apples own battery test shows the battery is better that what geekbench publish either. It’s in Apples interest to improve the situation rather than have to pay out so one could say theirs is biased. The fact they test your iPhone in a back room and give you verbal feedback rather than doing it in front of you is disconcerting too.
 
WOW just so many people defending apple on the battery issue

I guess the the hard core apple fans cant see anything wrong with a major tech company unknowing to them deliberately slow down there phone to cover the fact the battery when it wears down to what ever wear level is relay here nor there because they dont want to be liable for a large return bill like the iphone 6 has already been

Bottom line it was planned obsolescence via the back door
 
WOW just so many people defending apple on the battery issue

I guess the the hard core apple fans cant see anything wrong with a major tech company unknowing to them deliberately slow down there phone to cover the fact the battery when it wears down to what ever wear level is relay here nor there because they dont want to be liable for a large return bill like the iphone 6 has already been

Bottom line it was planned obsolescence via the back door

Or people who are realistic enough to grasp the nuances at play here. My old Nexus 6 suffered numerous shutdowns at 50% battery when I did something that required GPS. So many that for me it was the final straw and I moved camp to Apple.

Are they saints? Hell no, no-one in this game is. Could they have handled this better? Totally.

That said, all you folks who have created a vast conspiracy theory that this was created deliberately and methodically to generate sales? Show me the proof.
 
WOW just so many people defending apple on the battery issue

I guess the the hard core apple fans cant see anything wrong with a major tech company unknowing to them deliberately slow down there phone to cover the fact the battery when it wears down to what ever wear level is relay here nor there because they dont want to be liable for a large return bill like the iphone 6 has already been

Bottom line it was planned obsolescence via the back door

I don't know any "hardcore Apple fans". I just know "very satisfied iPhone owners". And none of them are complaining because none of them are having any battery issues.

When silly Batterygate is forgotten in two weeks just like lame Antennagate and the rest of the phony Apple 'scandals', history will show that the people affected by iOS 11's power management decision are the ones with really old iPhone's, treating their iPhone's inappropriately, are sketchy jailbreakers, have abused batteries, have cracked screens, etc. You know, the ones sold on Craigslist for $30 with a low quality aftermarket battery from a mall kiosk.

Average users who are respectful of their iPhone's, no problems.
 
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Third party apps only have access to the APIs that Apple provide them acces with. As such why do you even bring that up as a credible alternative when it is clearly not.
Coconut Battery is as accurate as Apple's diags. Apple doesn't want to give you a newer battery or a replacement so no surprise their tolerances are lower
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Or people who are realistic enough to grasp the nuances at play here. My old Nexus 6 suffered numerous shutdowns at 50% battery when I did something that required GPS. So many that for me it was the final straw and I moved camp to Apple.

Are they saints? Hell no, no-one in this game is. Could they have handled this better? Totally.

That said, all you folks who have created a vast conspiracy theory that this was created deliberately and methodically to generate sales? Show me the proof.
The Nexus 6 was never a good phone. It was plagued with hardware issues so that phone shouldn't be used as benchmark
 
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