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I can upgrade on the 27th but will be saving up more for the Mac Pro and retina iPad mini. :)
 
Wow- dual flash is SO innovate... never been done before. extremely innovative. Apple is so on top again.

Oh, wait, nokia has double flash for years. Well, I am sure apple does it so much more elegantly.

</fanboi barf>

Apple MADE the smartphone market (and don't get me wrong, I am grateful!) but they are very behind in the market, and nothing here looks like they will gain ANY ground. Color is innovative? Double Flash will set the market oin their ears? Get over it, Apple is so far back.

Im pretty sure he was sarcastic...
 
1080P display, better camera, a usable OS doesn't take thousands steps to do a simple task...yeah... They are fall behind the market

I'm not arguing that those things don't mean anything, but they are definitely not so important as to cause many customers to switch or to consider other platforms. Whether Apple is behind the market depends on your point of view. To many the functions that you describe are not important at all. The screen is large enough and the camera is excellent. Not everyone needs a Galaxy note with a 24 MP camera.
 
Think they'll make any brief mention about iPod updates? Or are they shifting away from the "music" event of years past?

They haven't had a "Music" event since the wide screen iMacs was announced...

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I hoped for a bit more information on the pic.....it only refers to the dual flash :( i'm sad now.

Only on the surface, if you dig into the symbolism like an archeologist you'll find all teh snappy safari.
 
This phone is a fail on so many levels. When did Apple get into making skittles? Why would an iPhone 4/5 owner want to downgrade to powder blue? Ever hear of a case? Does this open a new market for them? Sure, perhaps. But I also think it cannibalizes high end sales to a degree. Lower margin to grab market share. Happens when companies peak or reach a saturation point. I guess once you can't find something to improve upon you can change the color and call it a new product.

Still waiting for iWatch, iTV, and retina iPad mini.

I suspect the obvious answer is that these are being released with an eye to the Asian market, where culturally they will probably be better received than in the US / Europe.

I still have a 4, so will be tempted, but would prefer to hold out for a redesign next year along with a more refined iOS8.
 
Not to be that guy, especially since I'm usually not that guy and frequently hate that guy, but is anyone else not all that excited about the 5S? I've owned every single iPhone model and this is the first year that I've been meh about all the news. A fingerprint scanner isn't going to do it for me. The current iPhone 5 is a solid phone. Perhaps 128GB for $399, 12MP camera, and NFC chip for a digital wallet would. But if it's the same old camera that the 4S had, same high price for 64GB, dual-led flash, A7 chip and a fingerprint scanner—no thanks. Though a potential graphite colored model is very tempting because it reminds me of the original iPhone which I loved and still own.

Last year I traded my AT&T 64GB 4S on Amazon for $500 and this year the Verizon 64GB 5 is going for around $440. What's the deal with that?

Nope , you're not the only one.
 
That invitation looks terrible, like a birthday party card you'd find in a grocery store.
 
I am late to this thread...but here are some thoughts over the past few days of iPhone 5S rumors:

If the rumors are true, the only new "features" the 5s gives is a better camera, a new case color, a fingerprint reader, and a 128GB option. Um....only 1 new "feature" truly exists and that's the fingerprint reader...case colors and a larger, OPTIONAL, storage capacity do not qualify as features.

I really hope there is a lot more to the 5S than this short, short list. I have the 4S and was looking forward to getting a 5S if there was going to be a nice list of new features. Yes, I know the differences of the 5 vs the 4S but the 5S just seems like a lame upgrade. But to be fair, these are all rumors.

I would have loved to ALSO see (yes, some of these are the iOS and some are hardware):

-much faster CPU than the 5

-2x RAM than the 5

-truly jaw-dropping Siri thanks to the years of beta testing and improved CPU technologies

-significantly longer battery life than the 5 and 4S

-USB 3.0 support...seriously, why do I have to wait eons to transfer 16GB+ of content?

-ability to offload/send FULL QUALITY video clips to my machine or Youtube or elsewhere...100% 1080 quality and 100% length. Otherwise, why am I wasting all this space for 1080 quality that gets downconverted to 720 or less when emailing or Youtubing?

-longer call history...it is still a phone, you know. Why can't it store the last 30-60 days of all call history? Currently the history is lame.

-better email attachment support...currently 4 pix max and like a 50 second video clip...each of these limitations is far below the 25MB limit that Gmail, Yahoo, AOL, and Hotmail provide.

-ability to store attachments offline so I don't always have to re-download them/find the email...PDF and Excel docs are what I get a lot in email. Apple, for some reason, believes that only JPG attachments are worthy to be stored locally.



Anyway, that's a small list but I am really hoping the 5S wows me. My 64GB 4S is really nice but would like an improvement...unless it's time to abandon Apple.
 
omg omg omg, i figured it out.
the dots are the colors of the 5C! :rolleyes:

on a serious note, if you take apples love of the "grid" for their ios7 icons and use that on these dots, you get 1 more big hint... i'll let the other nerds (like me) figure it out though ;)
Yeah, I'm gonna have to say pix or gtfo. :)
 
I think people need to really step back and ask themselves why they need to be so excited over a tech device. I've never been like 'OMG I HAVE TO HAVE THAT' about any Apple product and I'm a huge Apple fan.

I'm getting the 5s because it's the first time TMobile will offer the latest iPhone. When they got the 5, it was too far into the life cycle. So I'm actually glad about the 5s.

There is ONLY so much you can do with the iPhone now...most developments and big changes have been implemented. Only thing they can really do is make it thinner and smaller or bigger screen. And many will complain about either.

Like I said in a post above, the next big thing is going to be the iPhone morphing into another device like the Watch. Just like the iPod morphed into the iPhone and the iPod/iPhone into the iPad, etc.

The critical path for Apple is to grow its installed base to leverage control on the 'services' side. If you think HW is the only way Apple can profit... those data centers are being built to offer services for sale. And if you have 80% of the top 20% of US spending demographic (or Chinese spending demographic), you start to drive the market for acting as a 'storefront' using the AppleID, and trusting it by using an at PoS proof of Identity (3D fingerprint against your registered phone).


Apple right now provides the link between identity and credit card (passport data) on file, and can identify a device to a person. The device (something have) and the password to log into the phone (something you know), and the fingerprint (something you are), gets to a much higher level of trust.

All of a sudden...the current versions of plastic credit cards are 'less secure' than an Apple Vetted Identity...

How much so... I would think that The concept of a plastic credit card, Chip/Pin or otherwise, will evaporate in 10 years.

If next year (iOS8)

If apple offers a Verified by Apple App to an iPad Bluetooth/Passport PoS interface.... such that they can prove (using Apple sales), that fraudulent transactions have dropped to 1/10th of prior to this triple factor Authentication, with no loss of PoS productivity (time per sale is constant, and my guess would go down), my guess is retailers will flock to it. Large vendors will have corporate versions, and if you can link it to payment processors, or merchant banks, individuals can request it (no CC charge is approved until I push present my fingerprint on my iPhone 5s(c?)/Ipad 5.
Or Apple offers up a Credit Card (what to do with all that cash... oh, establish a bank in every country that's sole purpose is to make loans to people to buy stuff via their iDevices;-)) partnering with a Visa or Amex to get a card that works everywhere. Or become a payment processing system under all credit cards (Apple has to have a major pipe into all the card processing systems now... they just buy one or 20[per country]) and offer up the lowest fraud loss costs in the industry. That is a major sale, and worth a 5-10% per transaction fee.

My guess is Apple can partner with a FICO or a 41st parameter, and build out a great fraud prevention engine behind their Payment systems...

So... in 2008 Apple starts out targeting 1% of phone sales

Let's predict: In 2014... they target servicing 1% of US Gross Retail (~350B), $175M in Profit (a break even service, for the benefit of their iOS users)...

But... grow that to servicing 20% of the G10 Retail Sales (using 2009 numbers) with the same profits per transaction: $48Billion.

That's not a hobby;-)

That's why the Authentec technology is so important. It establishes a smart 'delegated trust' from Retailer, to Apple(and the underlying cardholder), to device, to the holder of the device.

And why the 5s is a big deal, if it does have said technology
 
The only smartphone I've ever liked is the iPhone, I have no interest in switching to another brand. That's why it bothers me when I see Apple ruining the iPhone (at least in my opinion). And that's why I come on forums, to voice my opinion about it...

I feel the exact same way. I think iOS 7 looks like absolute crap. I like the new features, but I hate the look. It's almost as if Apple is trying to make everything look ugly now.
 
I am late to this thread...but here are some thoughts over the past few days of iPhone 5S rumors:

-ability to store attachments offline so I don't always have to re-download them/find the email...PDF and Excel docs are what I get a lot in email. Apple, for some reason, believes that only JPG attachments are worthy to be stored locally.

I've never had problems with attachments - so long as you've got iWork or some office type suite. You can also save video attachments, PDFs, locally from emails.
 
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