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First off, if you dont like someone complaining about apple then I suggest you stop reading now. Secondly this post will refrence the same problems that I have already posted about before and you can read here,(https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/627026/).

I guess ill start at the beggining, about a month ago now my iMac G5 was brought into the sagemore apple store for a genius bar appointment. I suspected that the harddrive was failing and the genius confimed it was. At this point he said my options were for them to put in the same size hdd for about $300.00, since the computer is now 4 years old and the applecare has expired, or I can buy one online and install it myself. Obviously i chose the latter.



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Hopefully some of you will read this story and think twice about buying that new mac. They are great computers when the work but dont expect not to get screwed hand over fist when, not if, they break.


And when they do break DO NOT GO TO THE SAGEMORE STORE. Trust me.
Also there are probably some spelling/grammer errors i didnt catch so i apologize in advance for those.

To be honest Apples in it to make money I doubt they much give a damn about people with older model computers let alone stuff with a G5 in it. Sure there's cases where PMac G5's have given out years after and gotten spiffy new Intel based based Mac's. Honest I kinda think that Apple is charging the price they do to discourage people from simply pursuing an old model let alone an old technology. Sure you want your computer back that's MORE then understandable (from a customer POV) but after dealing with all the hoopla I guess Apple's mentality to some extent is you pay out the nose for it or buy a new Mac.

I've had the PSU die on a 3-4 year old PMac G5 and I didn't bother taking it into an Apple store it really wouldnt be worth it and even the PSU online is $200 bucks. Hence why I've got a MacPro now since I realize that the G5 is old technology it'll break at some point (this being said a ~ year ago).

P.S. They have morons running most of the stores/companies so one good deed by an honest employee is usually wiped out by 2-3 other over paid half asses that are in wrong positions anyways. Yep they told you they'd cover it all since the problem is serious but unless you get it in writing it really IS your word vs theirs. No the customer isn't always right either with so many people capable of coming in making up stories ever since my dog ate my homework its hard for a company to treat the customer as always being right when a small percentage want to cheat the company in some way.. I'm not saying you are I'm merely talking about others.
 
I generally find that the customer is generally wrong. I do not have a problem going the extra mile for a customer to make them happy and ensure customer loyalty. But there is a line. If you always give the customer exactly what they want, your business won't last very long.


Working with the public for years made me look at the saying, "The customer is always right" in a new way.

I don't think it means the customer needs to be treated as his/her word is gospel...it means the customer (meaning "trouble" customers) is often a whining little baby who is never wrong. I don't know how many times customers have been wrong but absolutely would not admit it, sometimes to the point of absurdity.

I think it was started on the service side as a jab at the customer, to whom the saying appears to be justification for their actions, which makes the joke even more on them.

I guess my point is it's really easy to lose it with retail salesmen, but I guarantee that an ounce of outrage will be met with a pound of resistance. I'd hardly call Apple a fraud after reading the OP's story, which of course is the OP's version of the story. I've dealt with Apple for a while now and yes, you get incompetent people once in a while, but the level of rudeness in the OP's story didn't come out of nowhere.
 
Sir we can have this conversation all day. You can either pay the charge and get a computer that works, or we can put the old display in and you can get one that doesnt." They gave me a ****ing ultimatum.

Call them on it. Tell them you only agreed to the repair when you were assured it was free. Once you get it back put it on eBay, and use the profits for a new computer. You'd be amazed what you can sometimes sell a broken computer for. Especially one where it might be something as simple as a display cable.

They may decide that the $3 cable isn't worth doubling the labor effort to remove and make the monitor non-functional again and you could very well get it back in working condition.

And consider it a lesson, never believe a repair on an out of warrantee product will be free unless you can get it in writing.
 
4 years is too damn long to keep a computer, parts are going to start failing, and corrupting, by the time you fix it, it will have wasted so much time and money that you might as well have just bought a new computer
 
fraud? Don't thinks so...

It seems pretty likely that you probably damaged things when you were installing the HD yourself. Yes, you can save a few dollars when you opt to install ram, hds, and logic boards yourself... but there is always a risk of making things worse (which is why I don't do any plumbing myself, it always ends up like a Three Stooges episode). I have quite a few macs that are over 4 years old, and still running... but honestly it seems that after 4 years the odds are things are going to start to go wrong, and you should expect that. One can choose to maintain & repair the computer, or to upgrade to a new machine.

You knew the computer was starting to have issues, and suspected it was going to fail. You were going to sell it (nice one there... guess thats why I never will buy a used computer. Would that sale be made on "fraudulent" terms by the way, or were you taking a more honorable, full-disclosure route?).

Surprisingly year later, the computer still has issues (as much as I love macs, I don't know that they can miraculously heal themselves). Sounds like they cut you a break on the repair, and the you are still complaining. Despite your technical savvy, you may have missed some of the other issues that were going on (or had caused some with your own handiwork).

Furthermore, in my own personal experience I can tell you that the Sagemore store in Marlton is one of the better ones. They have done a number of repairs for me, some under AppleCare and some on older out of warranty machines. ALL WERE DONE QUICKLY & PROFFESSIONALLY. Just because you are one disgruntled customer, who had a bad experience, you are claiming the entire company is fraudulent? I vote troll. Guess microsoft's layoffs didn't effect the troll business.

So folks, after the warranty expires the repairs are usually on you. No surprise there. Don't hesitate to buy that new mac, chances are it will be functional longer than if you had bought a pc. Also, don't scrimp and opt of of AppleCare (or if you do, realize after 1 year you are walking the tightrope without a net. Sometimes you make it to the end, and sometimes...).

Lastly, again the folks at Sagemore are great. I have been going there for years and have no issues whatsoever. I live closer to AC, and often choose the store in Marlton. Parking is easier, they offer better product discounts (at least for me they did), and their hours are better too. When a machine is down the earlier opening time is greatly appreciated.
 
to sell, or not to sell...

"logically why would i authorize a 300.00 repair, the comp is only worth about 600.00 now"

Actually, I opted to spend $300 to keep an old 17" lamp arm iMac going about 9 months ago. I figure I could spend a couple of hundred of bucks to keep the old girl going, OR spend about two grand to replace it. I wasn't ready to pony up the two grand, so $300 looked like a cheaper alternative. I also realize that the computer is around seven years old. The fact that it is still plugging away is a testament to how well some of these things are built. It's biggest issues are ram & hard drive limitations, not too mention being restricted to running Tiger.

PS, colorado, NJ, and then Virginia make you look like a troll. Although you could just be a student...
 
PS, colorado, NJ, and then Virginia make you look like a troll....

:confused: I don't get that one! The OP already explained,
"..i was moving down to Virginia to start a job and it is about a 4 hour drive up to south Jersey just get my computer."
Where does Colorado fit in? And why does the fact that someone moves to another state make them a troll? (I'm not familiar with the Troll Qualification Guidebook)
 
It seems pretty likely that you probably damaged things when you were installing the HD yourself. Yes, you can save a few dollars when you opt to install ram, hds, and logic boards yourself... but there is always a risk of making things worse (which is why I don't do any plumbing myself, it always ends up like a Three Stooges episode). I have quite a few macs that are over 4 years old, and still running... but honestly it seems that after 4 years the odds are things are going to start to go wrong, and you should expect that. One can choose to maintain & repair the computer, or to upgrade to a new machine.

You knew the computer was starting to have issues, and suspected it was going to fail. You were going to sell it (nice one there... guess thats why I never will buy a used computer. Would that sale be made on "fraudulent" terms by the way, or were you taking a more honorable, full-disclosure route?).

Surprisingly year later, the computer still has issues (as much as I love macs, I don't know that they can miraculously heal themselves). Sounds like they cut you a break on the repair, and the you are still complaining. Despite your technical savvy, you may have missed some of the other issues that were going on (or had caused some with your own handiwork).

Furthermore, in my own personal experience I can tell you that the Sagemore store in Marlton is one of the better ones. They have done a number of repairs for me, some under AppleCare and some on older out of warranty machines. ALL WERE DONE QUICKLY & PROFFESSIONALLY. Just because you are one disgruntled customer, who had a bad experience, you are claiming the entire company is fraudulent? I vote troll. Guess microsoft's layoffs didn't effect the troll business.

So folks, after the warranty expires the repairs are usually on you. No surprise there. Don't hesitate to buy that new mac, chances are it will be functional longer than if you had bought a pc. Also, don't scrimp and opt of of AppleCare (or if you do, realize after 1 year you are walking the tightrope without a net. Sometimes you make it to the end, and sometimes...).

Lastly, again the folks at Sagemore are great. I have been going there for years and have no issues whatsoever. I live closer to AC, and often choose the store in Marlton. Parking is easier, they offer better product discounts (at least for me they did), and their hours are better too. When a machine is down the earlier opening time is greatly appreciated.

Obviously you're missing the point. The only reason ever expected them to cover everything is because they told me everything would be covered.
Since i didnt get it in writing or taken the reps name down (every other time they said something was covered they did actually cover it.) its my word against theirs. So before you mark me for a troll try reading the whole post specifically the part about the extended program. And congrats with a great experience at sagemore. (so far)



Not that it matters now but i did buy applecare. So don't be an idiot and assume just because you buy applecare your fine.
 
Obviously you're missing the point. The only reason ever expected them to cover everything is because they told me everything would be covered.
Since i didnt get it in writing or taken the reps name down (every other time they said something was covered they did actually cover it.) its my word against theirs. So before you mark me for a troll try reading the whole post specifically the part about the extended program. And congrats with a great experience at sagemore. (so far)

The logic board is covered, and even though it needed to be changed, its failure may have caused problems with the LCD (aka not powering it) or the LCD cable was damaged when the logic board was changed.

Still $300 for another year or two of use on the machine isn't really all that bad.
 
I'm sorry this happened to you. But in all honesty, you're not going to get better support from any other PC maker. Like others said, it does sound like you damaged the board when you replaced the HDD. In any case I would ask them to put the old screen back in. No sense in paying $300 for a machine that is on its last legs already. But that's just my thought.
 
If the Mac Mini gets updated, then the money might be better spent on one of those.
 
I'm sorry this happened to you. But in all honesty, you're not going to get better support from any other PC maker. Like others said, it does sound like you damaged the board when you replaced the HDD. In any case I would ask them to put the old screen back in. No sense in paying $300 for a machine that is on its last legs already. But that's just my thought.

I agree, and to be honest, the repair is already done and the majority of the cost was most likely labor. Call them on it. Tell them you won't pay and that you want your machine back. They might just give it to you working since it would cost them more money to put the old/bad cable back in than it's worth trying to get out of you.
 
Obviously you're missing the point. The only reason ever expected them to cover everything is because they told me everything would be covered.
Since i didnt get it in writing or taken the reps name down (every other time they said something was covered they did actually cover it.) its my word against theirs. So before you mark me for a troll try reading the whole post specifically the part about the extended program. And congrats with a great experience at sagemore. (so far)



Not that it matters now but i did buy applecare. So don't be an idiot and assume just because you buy applecare your fine.

I did read it, and actually took the time to read your other threads as well. It is a "he said/she situation" at this point. Yes you should have had it in writing, and if not, at least should have documented on your own (ie. date, time, and person you spoke with). I always make little notes with such info, just in case.

You admittedly cracked open the case on your own, but I am not sure if you acknowledged that the cost savings entailed additional risk. Even if one is skilled to do that on your own, things can easily go awry. I am comfortable doing minor repairs & upgrades myself, but it is not something that I do often (maybe once a year). Sometimes stuff like that is best left to the professionals who work on the computers everyday. Unlike a Pro tower, the iMac is a bit more difficult to get into, and the innards are snug.

I did catch that you had AppleCare, but that is was expired. Usually after that period you are on your own, end of story. Having AppleCare doesn't guarantee everything will be fine, it just guarantees you won't be paying for it (unless you damage it yourself).

So, maybe not a troll, but definitely you were escalating a single issue into a company wide practice, which is silly. If you were so quick to react at Sagemore in that manner, I can understand their reluctance to assist you further. Sometimes you get more flies with honey than....

So, when you were going to sell your computer, were you going to unload it on some unsuspecting soul?

regards....
 
I'm sorry this happened to you. But in all honesty, you're not going to get better support from any other PC maker. Like others said, it does sound like you damaged the board when you replaced the HDD. In any case I would ask them to put the old screen back in. No sense in paying $300 for a machine that is on its last legs already. But that's just my thought.

I didn't damage the logic board when putting in the new hdd. The logic board had a popped capacitor which has nothing to do with the hdd, the genius confirmed this, and this model is notorious for it (hence the repair program it fell under).
 
The logic board is covered, and even though it needed to be changed, its failure may have caused problems with the LCD (aka not powering it) or the LCD cable was damaged when the logic board was changed.

Still $300 for another year or two of use on the machine isn't really all that bad.

I really hope they didnt damage the video cable when putting in the new logic board and then made me pay for it.... that would just make me sick. I guess 300.00 isnt bad but who knows how long it will last.
 
Really?

First off, if you dont like someone complaining about apple then I suggest you stop reading now. Secondly this post will refrence the same problems that I have already posted about before and you can read here,(https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/627026/).

I guess ill start at the beggining, about a month ago now my iMac G5 was brought into the sagemore apple store for a genius bar appointment. I suspected that the harddrive was failing and the genius confimed it was. At this point he said my options were for them to put in the same size hdd for about $300.00, since the computer is now 4 years old and the applecare has expired, or I can buy one online and install it myself. Obviously i chose the latter.

After waiting a few days for the hdd to come from newegg it arrived and was ready to install. After installing the hdd, the computer would not boot. No grey screen, no way to boot from a cd, just a black screen, the power light, and after a few minutes the fans would kick in at full force. I thought maybe it was a bad hdd, not a big deal ill just rma it. To be sure i tested it in my cousins iMac G5, the same as mine, and it was recognized and booted with no problems. So I made another appointment with the genius bar.

After bringing the comp in the genius reset the pmu and tried to flash the pram. He then took out the harddrive and tried to power it on but nothing would happen. After examing the computer for a few minutes he noticed a busted capicitor on the logic board, which apparently he failed to notice when he took off the back panel the first time to show me how to replace the failed hdd. Now it seemed like i was going to have to wait about week to get the computer back, it is worth mentioning that this would be the third logic board in my imac now as the orginal was replaced about eight months ago. Now i was concerned about the cost because the program that my mac had fallen under to get the logic board fixed the first time had expired on December 15, 2008 (http://www.apple.com/support/imac/repairextensionprogram/)and the logic board is a $900.00 repair.
The genius then informed me that they had in fact extended that program if your imac met the criteria (specific serial numbers, busted capcitor) which mine did so it was going to be replaced free of charge.

Now it has been about a week and half since i orginally brought the imac in for the failed hdd and i get a call from the apple store. I thought great maybe they had the part in stock and it's done. Unfortunalty my luck, which is going to get even worse later, was not that good and they needed to order in another part for the imac. They said that the heat monititoring cable for the hdd had been damaged and that they had ordered it to be replaced with no problems aka. i would have to wait a few more days. At this point i was starting to get slightly annoyed because i was moving down to Virginia to start a job and it is about a 4 hour drive up to south Jersey just get my computer. But again they said everything would be covered so i couldnt really complain.

Now it was about 2 weeks since the initial visit to the apple store and i get phone call from them around 10am Saturday morning. They had gotten all the parts in and had replaced everything that needed to be replaced, or so i thought.

This is where my faith in Apple really died and where the heart of my story is. After installing the new logic board, power supply(its part of the logic board replacement) and hdd cable... the computer was still not booting. They then said that the video cable was corroded (i think thats the term they used) and that on my particular model the video cable was attached to the lcd display and now that whole part had to be replaced. I specifically asked the man on the phone with me if it was going to be covered, he informed that it was all covered. Great it was all covered i would just have to wait another week or so and it would finally be done.

About a week later i called to see if the computer was ready yet and they said it wasnt but it was at the top of the queue, ok fine not really much i can do about it. This was two days before MLK day (January 17). On MLK day they call my parents at 830am saying that my computer is finished and ready to be picked up.

They then call me a few days later and tell me this, " Okay your mac is all ready to go there is just a charge of $296.32 for the display repair." I was instantly confused and polietly explained to the lady on the phone that the apple rep that had called about the lcd replacement intially had said that it would be covered (logically why would i authorize a 300.00 repair, the comp is only worth about 600.00 now). She then said that it came right down from coporate and that she was looking at the case notes right in front of her and it was not going to be covered. I told her would call her back after i called corporate, obviously there was some confusion. When i got corporate on the phone they explained to me that even though everyone that works at apple is part of a single team, each individual store is given free reign to run itself. So the sagemore store was saying it was corporat's fault and corporate was saying its sagemore's. Now i was getting pissed, they were giving me this run around bs and i had done nothing but try to explain my situation, so i called the sagemore store back. The manager i spoke with on the phone ( her name was trina) was very very rude, these were her exact words, " Sir we can have this conversation all day. You can either pay the charge and get a computer that works, or we can put the old display in and you can get one that doesnt." They gave me a ****ing ultimatum.

After this i filed a grievence but the guy has yet to get back to me and i dont think he will, after all what can he do? This really comes down to my word against thiers. I just want to know what happened to good business practices and the customer is always right? I thought apple prided themselves on thier customer support, obviously i was wrong. The fact of the matter is they never informed me of the charge, not when they intially told me about the repair, not when the called my parents, only after it was done.

I am just really really dissapointed, this is coming from someone whose faimly has spent thousands of dollars in that store( a dual powermac G5, 23 ACD, 3 ibooks, and my imac most recently not to mention all the others over the years.) and to be treated this way is just unacceptable. Not to mention the smugness of the genuises at that store, i realize that the average consumer doesnt know what a graphics card is or that the new imac's use laptop parts but that doesnt give them the excuse to act like everyone that doesnt work there is an idiot.

Hopefully some of you will read this story and think twice about buying that new mac. They are great computers when the work but dont expect not to get screwed hand over fist when, not if, they break.




And when they do break DO NOT GO TO THE SAGEMORE STORE. Trust me.
Also there are probably some spelling/grammer errors i didnt catch so i apologize in advance for those.

Sounds like you damaged the machine when you tried to save a few $ by doing it yourself. You may in the future want to reconsider the penny wise pound foolish approach.

They sound like they really worked hard to rebuild your system, and you sound like you have entitlement issues. Your machine is old, has been rebuilt several times at no charge. Come on, $300? I agree with others, with your attitude I would have charged you double, and encouraged you to go with a Dell/Vista.

By the way, you should check your spelling. Just some feedback.
 
Sounds like you damaged the machine when you tried to save a few $ by doing it yourself. You may in the future want to reconsider the penny wise pound foolish approach.

They sound like they really worked hard to rebuild your system, and you sound like you have entitlement issues. Your machine is old, has been rebuilt several times at no charge. Come on, $300? I agree with others, with your attitude I would have charged you double, and encouraged you to go with a Dell/Vista.

By the way, you should check your spelling. Just some feedback.

By the way, you should try reading some of the other posts.
 
Wow. I think you should be happy that they fixed most of it free of charge and the display for 300$. Knowing Apple pricing, it could have been way more. Also, these machines have been discontinued ages ago, so you can be happy they just didn't tell you "It can't be fixed, buy a new one."
 
i think the OP is right, the apple rep said it would be fixed free of charge and then they didnt, this thread is more about apple going back on there word than having to pay 300 dollars for a new screen

they would have a record of the OP authorizing the replacement of the screen, if they dont why did they fix it?

i hope you get this sorted with apple,

most of you do not seem to be seeing the point of this thread
 
I think people are being a little harsh on this kid- and a little over protective of Apple.

All the other stuff aside, ie: Apples business strategy on old machines, out of warranty, lucky he's even getting it repaird etc... The fact is- Apple said there'd be no cost, and went back on their word.

I'd be a bit p**sed off if any company did that to me. Even if it was for a dollar. Its about principal. Dont promise something you cant deliver- period.
 
I didnt sell it, i was trying to but it never happened. Im not lying if you read, the logic board was replaced before (May 08) and prior to that the hdd was brought in (February 08) because it was having issues. I don mean to come off like a troll but the computer has had a lot of issues lol.

I don't know, I read your story and I didn't get the impression you were being particularly out of line or hostile. I'm not surprised to see a lot of the knee-jerk fanboy responses in this thread.

I agree with the first response to your thread that you really need to pursue the person who originally told you the whole thing would be covered.

If I were in your boat I wouldn't let it go either until I'd been delivered at least what was promised to me.

Keep going up the ladder with it. Apple's service over here in Japan is incredible. I can assure you 100% you'd never get a nasty tone from a rep even if they were denying your service request.

Good luck, dude.
 
I like how people always through this around like it means they deserve preferential treatment. I don't give a rats ass how much you spend in my store - it's still peanuts compared to the yearly sales of the store, and if it makes you think you can be a jackass, then I'd sooner loose your business and not have to deal with you.

We had something like this happen recently where I work....

A customer came in complaining that his 4 month old external DVD burner wasn't working and that he should be allowed to trade it out, even though we have a 14 day return policy.

He whined, "But I spend at least $1200 here every year!" and unfortunately that got him the replacement that he wanted. Why do we bother having a limited return policy then?

A whole $1200 a year, huh? Wow, an incredible $100 a MONTH!! That's certainly a loyal customer who will keep my store open. Who needs customers like that?

In retail, the customer is most definitely NOT always right, they just THINK they are.

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Back on topic, it sounds like the OP has a valid point, he just didn't get the rep's name who promised the free coverage. Get that next time, and you'll have your proof.

In the meantime, I also say call their bluff. Is it really worth their time and expense to put the damaged components back in, or is it easier just to let you pick up the machine as is?
 
I think people are being a little harsh on this kid- and a little over protective of Apple.

i think the OP is right, the apple rep said it would be fixed free of charge and then they didnt, this thread is more about apple going back on there word than having to pay 300 dollars for a new screen

Face it, you are only hearing one side of the story. Say for example that he told the Apple representative that he had Apple Care (which is true) but forgot to mention that it ran out a year ago. Obviously he would then get the wrong answer, completely his own fault, but it would be blamed on Apple.

So unless you know the other side of the story, this is just someone complaining, with his only ever posts on MacRumors being complaints when he feels something goes wrong. The clever way of using this board would have been to post and ask what to do before replacing the hard drive in his iMac G5. And it looks like the Mac worked except for the hard drive before he replaced the drive (that would have been easy to check by booting from the Install DVD, too lat now), and it didn't work after he himself replaced the hard drive.
 
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