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His computers had issues that were fixed for free. Then it had issues again (a broken hard drive) when it was three years out of warranty, and one year out of AppleCare. That was before he even touched it. After he touched it (tried to replace the hard drive in an iMac G5, which I believe is not an entirely easy operation to do), it was more broken than before. Now I won't suggest that you should learn to read, because I think the reading is not the problem.

Ok, let me recap:

1) I said that his computer had issues before he messed with it, which is true because he had to have the logic board replaced, free or not.

2) Gasu told me i was incorrect and gave information regarding repairs done after Jon's replacement plan had run out.

3) I showed that Jon had indeed had issues before.

His Mac obviously had issues before he cracked it open by himself, so im not going to assume that John broke something when he replaced the drive. Replacing a hdd is a relatively easy procedure and the logic board has shown issues before Jon touched his computer's innards, so im not going to jump to the conclusion that Jon broke everything when he had the case open so i can rationalize to myself that Apple is a perfect company who does no wrong.
 
Please explain yourself. Which companies would you be referring to who you believe are in the habit of acting fraudulently? If you know any, please tell us. We want to know.



You don't have the slightest clue about retail or business, do you? When you open the doors of a shop, fact is that there is a small percentage of the people entering the shop who do so with the intent of stealing stuff. When you run a hotel, you don't want some drunken fool with a prostitute on each arm becoming your customer. When you have a notorious complainer, you are much better off if you send them to your competitor, so that he can cost your competitor's money.

And the companies making the best profits are those who get rid of "difficult" customers as quick as possible. In this economy, you really can't afford to serve customers that cost you money instead of making you money.

I think the fact is you are the business ignorant one here. Quoting 'drunken fools with prostitutes on each arm' and considering potential walk in customers as thieves gives clear insight into your naievety and lack of maturity.
 
I think the fact is you are the business ignorant one here. Quoting 'drunken fools with prostitutes on each arm' and considering potential walk in customers as thieves gives clear insight into your naievety and lack of maturity.

Well, absolutely not. I was not considering customers as thieves - I was clearly saying that not everybody walking through the shop door is a customer. If you find that hard to understand, so be it. And I clearly said that if you run a hotel, as another example of a business, not everybody who wants a room is somebody you want as a customer. If you run a small business, like a builder, an electrician, or a plumber, you better learn not to take on every job, but only those that make money. And you better learn how to identify people that you don't want as customers.

And if you look around on the internet, you will find some examples of very successful businesses that decided they didn't want the largest company of the USA (Walmart) as their customers. And who as a consequence did a lot better than companies you did take Walmart as their customer.
 
Ok, let me recap:

1) I said that his computer had issues before he messed with it, which is true because he had to have the logic board replaced, free or not.

2) Gasu told me i was incorrect and gave information regarding repairs done after Jon's replacement plan had run out.

3) I showed that Jon had indeed had issues before.

His Mac obviously had issues before he cracked it open by himself, so im not going to assume that John broke something when he replaced the drive. Replacing a hdd is a relatively easy procedure and the logic board has shown issues before Jon touched his computer's innards, so im not going to jump to the conclusion that Jon broke everything when he had the case open so i can rationalize to myself that Apple is a perfect company who does no wrong.

Thank you. Contrary to popular opinion, me replacing the hdd did not break anything. The mac genius confirmed this, there is no way the user can cause a popped capacitor (which was why the logic board had to be replaced).
 
If u admit u are a troll, I'll glady accept the moniker of "fanboy"

Thank you I'm glad someone realized what the real issue is. The fanboy responses are getting ridiculous...

The entire point of my post is to get people to realize that they're a corporation just like any other. If helping you as a customer doesn't help apple as a company then they couldn't care less about you.

Actually as noble as your revised intentions sound, your original post did not take that tact. Starting with your title, declaring that Apple is a fraud company (sic, btw, it should be fraudulent...).

Then you "warned" all prospective apple customers... "Hopefully some of you will read this story and think twice about buying that new mac. They are great computers when the work but dont expect not to get screwed hand over fist when, not if, they break...."

So, after all your whining, that is your end "take-away" of your post... I declare you either a troll, or a customer they are better off losing.

Every business has customers that they are better off "without" (I have my own business, and I am very particular about who I do work for. That was not always the case though, and I learned over the years to be careful who you have as your clients). Bad customers are the ones that you can never satisfy, no matter what you do. They are a waste of time and effort in the long run.

Mistakes happen, and it could of been an honest error in communication. But, you failed to document that fact (which was your mistake btw). As Ronald Reagan said "Trust, but verify", which works as well in arms negotiations, as it does for computer repairs.

BTW, it isn't that often that a mac user calls another mac user a "fanboy". That seems to be something swirling around the "pc" boards mostly. Honestly I don't care what other folks choose to use for their computers, but for what I do macs are clearly the better option. Furthermore, I have NEVER heard someone who has switched platforms that they made a mistake (and I have consulted with people from all professions. Artists, designers, photographers, teachers, and even families looking for a home computer). That experience tells me something, that sometimes the grass is indeed greener on the other side.

Dude, maybe you should just buy a Dell.

cheers,
michael
 
I didnt sell it, i was trying to but it never happened. Im not lying if you read, the logic board was replaced before (May 08) and prior to that the hdd was brought in (February 08) because it was having issues. I don mean to come off like a troll but the computer has had a lot of issues lol.

Crack that f***er open and snap some pics, or it's not true. ;)
 
I think people are being a little harsh on this kid- and a little over protective of Apple.

All the other stuff aside, ie: Apples business strategy on old machines, out of warranty, lucky he's even getting it repaird etc... The fact is- Apple said there'd be no cost, and went back on their word.

I'd be a bit p**sed off if any company did that to me. Even if it was for a dollar. Its about principal. Dont promise something you cant deliver- period.
Agreed
 
Im sorry, what now? His computer had issues before he even touched it. Might i suggest you learn to read?

Apologies for my curt use of TLAs. Nevertheless, please see paragraph 2 of initial entry:

I guess ill start at the beggining, about a month ago now my iMac G5 was brought into the sagemore apple store for a genius bar appointment. I suspected that the harddrive was failing and the genius confimed it was. At this point he said my options were for them to put in the same size hdd for about $300.00, since the computer is now 4 years old and the applecare has expired, or I can buy one online and install it myself. Obviously i chose the latter.
 
I just want to know what happened to good business practices and the customer is always right?

Sorry, the customer is not always right. After working in retail and finally in IT, sometimes the customer is far from right... the idea that they are expolits the possibility that a professional is always wrong, so they can be taken advantage of. This is also how mis-information gets propagated about products and services, allowing people to make bad desisions about purchases.

I agree with you otherwise... in this case they should have rectified the situation to maintain your business.
 
Sorry, the customer is not always right. After working in retail and finally in IT, sometimes the customer is far from right... the idea that they are expolits the possibility that a professional is always wrong, so they can be taken advantage of. This is also how mis-information gets propagated about products and services, allowing people to make bad desisions about purchases.

I agree with you otherwise... in this case they should have rectified the situation to maintain your business.

This is kind of an old thread, but isn't this the point of the phrase "the customer is always right"? It doesn't mean they are factually correct, it means that as a business sometimes you let things slide to win in the long run.

The OP had a right to be upset, they told him a service would be free then tried to charge. Doesn't matter that his Mac was out of warranty. He specifically inquired about the cost and was quoted one price which was then changed. Add to that the time wasting when you have to haggle with the Apple people over this. Yeah, I'd be upset too.
 
This is kind of an old thread, but isn't this the point of the phrase "the customer is always right"? It doesn't mean they are factually correct, it means that as a business sometimes you let things slide to win in the long run.

The OP had a right to be upset, they told him a service would be free then tried to charge. Doesn't matter that his Mac was out of warranty. He specifically inquired about the cost and was quoted one price which was then changed. Add to that the time wasting when you have to haggle with the Apple people over this. Yeah, I'd be upset too.

Yea, just noticed it was an old thread... I just get annoyed by that phrase, because it only applies in specfic situations... and people try to apply it to everything in order to get things for free... or to just believe that they can make up stuff and be correct.

Its worse then a reality distortion field lol
 
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