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Intel hasn’t released any later CPU for the 13”non Touch Bar than it already has. When Intel releases 8th generation CPUs the nTB can use, Apple will update it.

Surely it doesn’t make sense to hold off the 13/15” Touch Bar updates just because there’s nothing available yet for the 13” non-TB.

LOL Touch bar has nothing to do with Intel processor generations =D
 
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Let's not lie to ourselves, the Touch Bar adds at least $300 to the cost that could be better spent on performance.
There is no SD card slot.
And the 13" model has a sh***y, sh***y, non-pro, graphics card.


And the reason Apple kept this reveal behind closed doors is so they could control the message by schmoozing the journalists.




I think I'll end up going for the 13" with 16GB ram and 512GB SDD. :(
 
It is a bit curious. Because eGPUs are potentially game changers. I think eGPUs is why the MacBook Pro 15" didn't update the GPU it ships with. I'm suspecting that this gets dealt with in more detail in the next KeyNote. But for now it is somewhat too niche to discuss. The Pros who really need GPU performance will figure the eGPU stuff out themselves. And maybe Apple is saving some of this discussion for its modular Mac Pro unveiling.

That's a fair point, and I hadn't though that all the way through - having an eGPU now fully supported mitigates the need for a heavy-duty built in. It does add another cost though (but at least you can upgrade the two separately. Wonder if it 'just works' and how easy it is to use (i.e. can you unplug without shutting down)?
 
Will the base prices of the 15 inch models go back to $1999 and $2499? When the first Retina MBPs were introduced, the prices increased but went back down 2 years later.
 
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I'm not happy because the MacBook, Air, Mini and other Macs haven't been updated and the cost remains the same. $1800 is a lot of money for an entry-level MacBook Pro with 7th gen processors. You could purchase a Dell XPS 13 with 256GB flash storage, 8th Gen Intel Processors (Quad Core) with 8GB of Ram for $1659 (CAD). Heck, you could get an XPS faster than the $1800 mac for $1400 and it'd still outperform the entry MacBook Pros.
 
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omg finally..

edit: I'm still checking the specs. We got now ddr4 ram, not lpddr4. I wonder if they changed the battery type like the 12" macbook battery to gain higher capacity?
The battery on the 13” went up 18% slightly from 54.5 49.2 to 58Wh. The 15” battery went up 10% from 76 to 83.6 Wh.

Not sure if they’re using the “terraced” battery you’re referring to, we’ll have to wait for the teardowns :)

(Edited to correct the TB battery capacity. 54.5 is for the non-TB.)
 
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I hear you. The new display is probably really nice too and worth the upgrade but being that I paid $2100 for this machine and just finished paying it off with my Apple Store credit card a few months back, it would be stupid to upgrade now and start over. I plan to hold onto my MBP for 5 years if possible before moving on which I normally don't do but its gotten to the point where I realize I have no need to upgrade a laptop every 2 years or less for what I do with it. Same with my iPhone 8 Plus and iPad Pro 10.5. I'd like to keep them for 3-4 years if they hold up. They are all beautiful pieces of hardware that are capable of standing the test of time.

Indeed. I have been thinking that so long as I stay away from 4K HDR content, I am good to go with this laptop. Works beautifully and reliably until the keyboard starts to throw errors.
 
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The battery on the 13” went up slightly from 54.5 to 58Wh. The 15” battery went up 10% from 76 to 83.6 Wh.

Not sure if they’re using the “terraced” battery you’re referring to, we’ll have to wait for the teardowns :)
actually, touchbar version went from 49.3 to 58wh

might not be terrace battery. people were complaining how there's a bunch of open space, maybe apple just filled those empty spaces. Weird though how the weight seems to remain unchanged.
 
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Don't think there will be many takers among current gen owners. Wait for redesign.
 
Yep, that’s new. Which is odd because Apple said they couldn’t use it since it’d be a battery killer. I guess Intel’s lack of LPDDR4 forced Apple’s hand here.

Will be interesting to see the battery hit.
Not couldn’t; wouldn’t because they didn’t want to accept the compromise of greater power consumption/shorter battery life, especially in standby.

A combination of a larger battery (76Wh —> 83.6Wh), giving up on Intel and increasing customer demand for 32GB all came into play, I suspect, regarding their decision to move ahead with DDR4 for the 15” MBP. Intel’s Ice Lake may not even be available next year for the 45W CPUs Apple uses in the Touch Bar MBP. 2020 is just too long to wait.
 
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I don't live in the US but I'd like to purchase one over there (since it's much cheaper than where I live). I wonder if someone could help me by answering a couple of questions?

1. I'm a university professor but not at a US institution. I understand US HED prices are only for US faculty. Is that correct?

2. Failing that it seems that it'd be cheaper to buy from a place that doesn't charge sales tax in Florida (which is where I'm going to ship the MBP to), say B&H. Does anyone know if they stock custom configurations? I'm aiming for the 15", upgraded processor, 32 GB of RAM and 1 TB SSD.

3. Finally, do they regularly offer discounts on the latest models (perhaps not immediately, but maybe later in the year) or only on older models?

Thanks.
 
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My kids found out the new MBP hit the streets and so they're excited and the wife things we'll be better off with it. Since I returned the Razer for the express purpose of waiting for the MBP refresh, I think I may as well bite the bullet

Please keep us updated.

For those wondering about keyboard changes, this paragraph in the Verge article is interesting:

Exactly why I still have no interest in the current gen of MBPs. This is a design flaw, not a part flaw. Apple cannot blame the previous failures on supplier parts; those should be getting inspected by Apple QA/QC. Any flaw in the part should have been caught by Apple. They are solely responsible. Perhaps Apple has revised a part, but that is essentially a redesign.

I used to own one, and I wasn’t too bothered with them - but going back to the older chiclet keyboards made me realize how the new ones were a step backwards in terms of feel. The older ones had better travel (less force on your fingers, felt better, quieter at least quieter than the first and second Gen butterfly)

Not everyone who owns one likes them, though most are content with them

There is hyperbole on the keyboards but they are no longer the best feeling keyboards on a laptop. A lot of the competition has really caught up and surpassed Apple, and it’s sad to see Apple stagnate. Apple had no comparison in that field for over a decade. Now many high end laptops offer incredible keyboards, that just make one question “how come The new MacBooks don’t feel this great?”

Maybe the third Gen keyboards offer more travel and feedback than just quieter sound, but they still require a revisit to fix the core issues. By all accounts the third Gen keyboards are the same sound aside. Second Gen was a step in the right direction but only just a step.

Everyone should be checking out the Lenovo X1 and Dell XPS keyboards for comparison. I have tried a number of Lenovo and Dell keyboards alongside Apple's keyboard and Apple is a step backwards IMO.
 
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