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That's a fair point, and I hadn't though that all the way through - having an eGPU now fully supported mitigates the need for a heavy-duty built in. It does add another cost though (but at least you can upgrade the two separately. Wonder if it 'just works' and how easy it is to use (i.e. can you unplug without shutting down)?

I've seen some videos of it being hot swapped (like they just unplug the eGPU). But I'm a bit skeptical that this is quite going to reach "just works" this year. Seems still something for the pros to use in their heavy duty work flow.

Another interesting this is that the 13" MacBook Pro is going to have vastly more powerful GPU than the 15" MacBook Pro if you use an eGPU, yet the cost of 13 + eGPU will be about the same. If your Macbook Pro spends most of its life as really a desktop, you could get an eGPU and stick that under your desk or somewhere out of sight.
 
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I dont think 2017 MBP users need to upgrade, maybe 2016?
I don’t even think 2016z. Unless you need to squeeze out every ounce of performance or could benefit from a better graphics card.

I have use a 2016 MBP for my landscape photo processing and really don’t say to myself “this machine is slow”. Over the past several years Intel chip upgrades haven’t really been stellar.
 
I can't believe they didn't upgrade the non-Touch Bar model :confused::eek: I'd gladly pay THE SAME as the TB model costs but I just want normal keys. And yes, I have used TB model a lot so I know how it is very much useless gimmick. Why don't they offer the normal keys as an option??

So, still won't sell my trusty Late 2013 model.
 
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I have got a late 2016 15" MacBook Pro with radeon pro 460 and don't feel I need to replace it. My next replacement will be an iMac + the cheapest macbook probably. However, i9 option looks so promising. Let's see how well it handle the heat from that chip. As I know, i9 Dell XPS throttles.
 
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Don't forget the MacBook Air as well along with the 12" MacBook and 13" nTB MacBook Pro. I expect that all three will shuffle off this mortal coil after the 13" MacBook is announced.

If the 13" nTB MacBook Pro doesn't go away when the 13" MacBook is introduced, it will simply linger on the way the 2015 MacBook Air has since the 12" MacBook was introduced.

Yeah I think that a lot of the hostility towards Apple is that by not updating the MP, MBA & MM, many people who would’ve been customers for one of those machines are pushed towards the MBP, iMac or iMac Pro - and these machines may not actually be the right machines for them.

For example, someone who is a business pro with light productivity needs (office type software) and/or someone who just wants a modern reasonably priced Mac laptop that they can pack away on a shelf at home, are probably going to be customers for the MB 13.

Those who need a powerful modular computer on their desktops (number crunchers, devs) are ideal customers for the MP - but at the moment they have to get the iMac or MBP.

Anyway, I could go on but you get the idea!
 
Question for Macrumors. Does it not shock you that with all your and our rumor sources, Apple is still able to pull off these stealth updates without us being able to see them coming? I don't mean that we have no rumors. You obviously report them quite well. But just like this "boom" they are on the website and available for purchase and if you asked folks who are totally clued in what MONTH this was coming in, you would have gotten guesses for August, September and even a few people guessing October.
Apple tripling down on secrecy lol
 
A "Pro" model that starts with the storage of 256GB in 2018 is just a joke! I was debating whether I should upgrade my old MacBook to a MacBook Pro or a new Mac Mini. My decision has never been clearer after today's news.

In all fairness, this could be a great machine for creative designers developing web/apps.

Those who are working in a business and who are mostly working remotely and who have pro apps installed but who are saving their work / accessing assets from a network/cloud drive.

I’m not a designer but I’ve worked places where people saving their work onto their machine’s drives is severely frowned upon!

Not everyone is working on 4K video or audio or video post production & so not everyone needs huge local drives.
 
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I've seen some videos of it being hot swapped (like they just unplug the eGPU). But I'm a bit skeptical that this is quite going to reach "just works" this year. Seems still something for the pros to use in their heavy duty work flow.

Another interesting this is that the 13" MacBook Pro is going to have vastly more powerful GPU than the 15" MacBook Pro if you use an eGPU, yet the cost of 13 + eGPU will be about the same. If your Macbook Pro spends most of its life as really a desktop, you could get an eGPU and stick that under your desk or somewhere out of sight.

Or just buy the new eGPU for use with a refurbished 2017 model. You don't get the speed bump, but you're also not paying $3700 for a new machine either.
 
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As 2017 MBP TB 13' owners, my wife and I are very happy with the new keyboards. This is coming from someone who has several cherry black and cherry brown mechanical keyboards (Made in USA). I actually like this keyboard because I can type on it really fast and it doesn't require a lot of effort. Yes, I was against the smaller keyboard initially, but I've really warmed up to it. My wife loves hers. Other 2016-2017 MBP owners we've talked to in real life have all had positive things to say about their keyboards. So far, the only people I've talked to that hate the keyboards are those that … don't own one (in real life, not talking about macrumors or implying anything towards you).
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Thanks! Was just making sure I wasn't missing something.
hate the keyboard. noisy as heck and the keys are too close together. I'm a very quick non touch typist, but not on that keyboard.
 
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A "Pro" model that starts with the storage of 256GB in 2018 is just a joke! I was debating whether I should upgrade my old MacBook to a MacBook Pro or a new Mac Mini. My decision has never been clearer after today's news.

WHAT A JOKE!! JUST 256GB SSD?!

List of professional laptop starting storage:
Surface Book - 256GB SSD
Dell XPS 15 - 1TB HD! or 256GB SSD
Razer 15 - 256GB SSD
Thinkpad Carbon - 256GB SSD

I'm laughing really hard right now.
 
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