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Apple Launches App Development Program for Female Entrepreneurs and App Developers
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Trying to socially engineer women into STEM and app development is a fool’s errand. They will either get involved or they won’t.
There are no artificial barriers. There are no rules or laws banning women. Less women is not the result of a secret cabal of evil men trying to keep women out of their club.
By and large, women just aren’t as interested in the subject/field as men.
This used to be and still should be common sense.
No amount of pushing or pulling or shouting BAD ASS GIRL CODER! will change the situation.
Consequence: no one wants the female ER doctor at the hospital cause major factor in why that person got the position was not skill but politics. And lots of unhappy females in jobs they were forced into, by politics and technocrats. SJW have problems perceiving and prioritizing problems in our society. Like when it comes to Islam they tolerate and even defend systematic degradation of women. But than they have these little programs which they think is brain surgery but in reality they are just lobotomizing the patient with sticks and needles...
But I thought feminism was about equality? How come Apple isn't including men the program to equal it out? 
Side note: My girlfriend goes to this women event where they discuss women related business stuff. Men can go but they have to pay a fee whereas women get in for free. Equality? Can you imagine the uproar if it was the other way around where females had to pay and men got in free? Night clubs, same thing, women get in free men pay. The only difference is men just brush it off and don't get angry about it.
Side note: My girlfriend goes to this women event where they discuss women related business stuff. Men can go but they have to pay a fee whereas women get in for free. Equality? Can you imagine the uproar if it was the other way around where females had to pay and men got in free? Night clubs, same thing, women get in free men pay. The only difference is men just brush it off and don't get angry about it.
It does mean that they are less capable and/or qualified. Recruiters will hire based on merit. If you want to bring ethnicity into it, I can link you to a nice little page full of statistics showing the rates of graduation by race from high schools for all 50 states. With the odd exception, you will see the following pattern at almost every school:
- Asian
- White
- Hispanic
- Black
http://www.governing.com/gov-data/e...chool-graduation-rates-by-race-ethnicity.html
(Source: National Center for Education Statistics, Common Core of Data State Dropout and Graduation Rate Data)
So there is clearly something else at play here *cough* genetics *cough*
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You called someone who you disagreed with a "kid", no longer than 20 minutes ago and you're now on your virtuous high horse about "maturity" haha!Captain maturity right here, everybody.
This is hilarious!
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I'd say culture has a lot to do with graduation. I think we can all agree the asian culture is all about discipline, making your family name shine.
Great sentiment but will most likely fall on deaf ears in here.
And in the end, it really doesn't matter... Mother Nature is going to wreck us all in soon anyways so have fun with all your free Panera lunches, code pricks.
That would be part of some Asian countries' cultures for sure. Not sure how much of that is at play for these statistics though.
Even if we were to concede to this being purely cultural, you have to wonder, why are we not fixing the broken cultures instead of giving handout jobs to people of said broken cultures?
bechaaausee **Dayveursityyuu** /SJW mode off
I mean, if I would be an employer I could care less of your sex, ethnicity, orientation, etc. as long as you are the most profitable candidate for my business. Merit over SJW logic
But I thought feminism was about equality? How come Apple isn't including men the program to equal it out?
Side note: My girlfriend goes to this women event where they discuss women related business stuff. Men can go but they have to pay a fee whereas women get in for free. Equality? Can you imagine the uproar if it was the other way around where females had to pay and men got in free? Night clubs, same thing, women get in free men pay. The only difference is men just brush it off and don't get angry about it.
What was the name of this event where men needed to pay?
Dude, you're a white male. Why do you hate yourself so much? You can't help that you were born white. Accept your circumstances and do the best you can with what you got.
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Some men do. It's usually the ones who are less qualified. In the name of equality, Apple should have a program focused on hiring those guys, don't you think?
These kinds of programs cut both ways.
I'm a "minority". Based on my resume, name, and phone interviews, I consistently pass for an "All-American", white, male from the Mid-Western United States.
PRO
However, I've gone on several job interviews at Fortune 100 companies where, I believe, I was judged on my race and not my ability. I can clearly recall at least three interviews where I've showed up groomed, well dressed, on-time, and prepared. But immediately after walking through the door, I sensed the lost enthusiasm from the hiring manager. You know, the same ones that I got along so well with over the phone interview.
On other occasions, I've worked at major companies where I quickly realized that I wasn't getting the same opportunities as my non-minority peers. Even though I was just as competent or, in some cases, more competent at the job. Later on, I found out these individuals had social networks that I was simply wasn't and would never be a part of. Hence, no matter how hard I worked at delivering stellar results, how much I tried to fit in, I was simply chasing my tail.
If companies can make "diversity", in every possible way, a part of their culture's DNA, then these programs wouldn't need to exist. Unfortunately, leadership and hiring managers are usually the main contributors to a poorly diverse culture because they create "culture". All too often, they hire people that look and act like themselves. This is a well-documented phenomenon. (see: "Good to Great" by Jim Collins )
*** SIDE NOTE: Try this soft test to get an idea of your corporate culture: The next time you have a major meeting, watch how some people will sit as far away from a minority as possible ... and vice versa. (This also works in social settings.) If this consistently happens, then you might have a problem with your corporate culture. ***
CON
A major con to these kinds of programs and a large part of why they ultimately fail is that if the company is not completely committed to diversity, then its mainstream employees will passively resist. They'll only tolerate diversity hires regardless of if those minorities are capable individuals or not. They'll create an environment where the person is undermined, marginalized, and let go quickly for the flimsiest of reasons. The minority is left dejected, angry, and bewildered.
I've been in the workforce for 2-3 decades. Things are getting better, but we're not completely at a point where we can claim that we live in a blind "meritocracy". My hope is that we'll get to a place where companies hire solely on credentials and future potential and reward solely on demonstrated performance. Unfortunately, we're just not there yet.
UPDATE: A day after my original post a former Facebook employee publishes an essay on Facebook's culture.
I'm a "minority". Based on my resume, name, and phone interviews, I consistently pass for an "All-American", white, male from the Mid-Western United States.
PRO
However, I've gone on several job interviews at Fortune 100 companies where, I believe, I was judged on my race and not my ability. I can clearly recall at least three interviews where I've showed up groomed, well dressed, on-time, and prepared. But immediately after walking through the door, I sensed the lost enthusiasm from the hiring manager. You know, the same ones that I got along so well with over the phone interview.
On other occasions, I've worked at major companies where I quickly realized that I wasn't getting the same opportunities as my non-minority peers. Even though I was just as competent or, in some cases, more competent at the job. Later on, I found out these individuals had social networks that I was simply wasn't and would never be a part of. Hence, no matter how hard I worked at delivering stellar results, how much I tried to fit in, I was simply chasing my tail.
If companies can make "diversity", in every possible way, a part of their culture's DNA, then these programs wouldn't need to exist. Unfortunately, leadership and hiring managers are usually the main contributors to a poorly diverse culture because they create "culture". All too often, they hire people that look and act like themselves. This is a well-documented phenomenon. (see: "Good to Great" by Jim Collins )
*** SIDE NOTE: Try this soft test to get an idea of your corporate culture: The next time you have a major meeting, watch how some people will sit as far away from a minority as possible ... and vice versa. (This also works in social settings.) If this consistently happens, then you might have a problem with your corporate culture. ***
CON
A major con to these kinds of programs and a large part of why they ultimately fail is that if the company is not completely committed to diversity, then its mainstream employees will passively resist. They'll only tolerate diversity hires regardless of if those minorities are capable individuals or not. They'll create an environment where the person is undermined, marginalized, and let go quickly for the flimsiest of reasons. The minority is left dejected, angry, and bewildered.
I've been in the workforce for 2-3 decades. Things are getting better, but we're not completely at a point where we can claim that we live in a blind "meritocracy". My hope is that we'll get to a place where companies hire solely on credentials and future potential and reward solely on demonstrated performance. Unfortunately, we're just not there yet.
UPDATE: A day after my original post a former Facebook employee publishes an essay on Facebook's culture.
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It’s amusing that that’s a typical talking point of sexists. Being empathetic towards people different from myself isn’t self-hatred. It’s called having a conscience. You should try it sometime.
oh god, why you SJWs want to gain those moral social points so much ? I mean yeah being empathic with EVERYONE is great, but in business is not what works.. Merit>Identity Politics. I guess that when you go to see your doctor you want to be attended by the best candidate not the one chosen to fulfill the “equality quotas”...
Yup the "bubble". On the bus, train, desks, meetings, bars, etc. you'd think there was a force field around us.
[doublepost=1543283510][/doublepost]Anytime a picture or post has to do with Apple relating to minority groups or anything of the sort, you can be rest assured the mob of angry white guys are on their way! never fails. Like a caricature and they all use the same talking points lol "sigh"
The smelly part is that it looks like top level male executives are promoting lower level female managers and executives to give themselves a totally progressive image.
And every guy here knows that this is just a selfish move and that they would never go „here take my seat/chair“.
Second, for some there‘s that history of cure girls getting all the attention and favors, just because they are girls, and they had that „power“ to judge you, while you worked so hard to do everything right, develop your skills etc.
And now that behavior is even coming to the work place, giving them even more leverage and and better positions and therefor even more power than they had in school or outside. Again just because they are women and not because they had anything to give to the job, except a better image to some top level execs and the company. Again decoration more valued than skills.
That just must feel wrong when that matches your prior experiences or views. But this is rooted in a already discriminatory perspective or role view when making those experiences.
I think it‘s hard to play that equal gender game when you don‘t experience that equality in your daily life when it comes to acceptance or support. But that‘s the point you have to work on to make that bad feeling go away.
If you‘re a guy who sees his identity as a provider and expert-for-everything working drone, think again, adjust your role image and demand support and love yourself. For yourself.
And every guy here knows that this is just a selfish move and that they would never go „here take my seat/chair“.
Second, for some there‘s that history of cure girls getting all the attention and favors, just because they are girls, and they had that „power“ to judge you, while you worked so hard to do everything right, develop your skills etc.
And now that behavior is even coming to the work place, giving them even more leverage and and better positions and therefor even more power than they had in school or outside. Again just because they are women and not because they had anything to give to the job, except a better image to some top level execs and the company. Again decoration more valued than skills.
That just must feel wrong when that matches your prior experiences or views. But this is rooted in a already discriminatory perspective or role view when making those experiences.
I think it‘s hard to play that equal gender game when you don‘t experience that equality in your daily life when it comes to acceptance or support. But that‘s the point you have to work on to make that bad feeling go away.
If you‘re a guy who sees his identity as a provider and expert-for-everything working drone, think again, adjust your role image and demand support and love yourself. For yourself.
I’m waiting to sign up for the Male only program because. You know. Equality.
According to American tech companies, there isn't enough local talent to fill all the jobs they currently require or will require in the future. Since males are already attracted to and fill many of the jobs in the tech industry, you may have already tapped out that pool of potential candidates. But since more females than males are going to, and graduating college, it seems logical to lure women into the tech field in order to maintain and increase the pipeline of American applicants.
i will ban women in it , as experience they do "coup de tat" and follow money.This is engineering job not to lovely job .
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i waiting everyday apple developer 99 dollar
.Reality developer max 30 age rather then above.Equality nada.
I have three daughters, my oldest is in her first year of college (STEM). I know from experience as a parent and as an educator that the system is absolutely built on bias. I have seen how elementary education tends to be biased against boys, and secondary against girls. Yes, the reality is, there are inherent gender differences in thinkings, processing, etc. But, it is absolute disgusting that you think this a limitation of ability in a field of study. Why would you not support programs like this that literally benefit everyone? It's not about gender politics, its about each individual having the opportunity to get the most out of their experience, and in turn being empowered to contribute the most to their passion.
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Let's fire half of the board of Apple. All white males. Be an example, Tim.
(p.s. well, only shareholders can fire directors.)
(p.s. well, only shareholders can fire directors.)
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So if I'm a "Social Justice Warrior", what does that make you? An "Anti-Social Injustice Pacifist"? Or just a "Status Quo Warrior"?
Regardless, it's amusing to me that you're trying to imply that one seminar/program/whatever focusing on female app developers is somehow detrimental towards men. I mean, if you're seriously that concerned about it, I'm afraid that your life is going to be severely traumatizing. Your doctor metaphor is wildly inaccurate. This app developer program focusing on women is a two week program... the women aren't applying for jobs. So what exactly are you so furious about?
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It *IS* hilarious... hah! I mean, you've gone through the process of implying that a 2 week program focusing on female app developers is somehow detrimental and discriminatory towards men... and then you implied that hate crimes are a hoax and that they don't actually happen... and then you attempted to blow off the fact that I proved you wrong by saying (and I'm paraphrasing here) "Oh yeah, you found one example, but you couldn't possibly find another because I'm right and you're wrong", even though anyone with two or more braincells realizes that your statements are profoundly inaccurate... and you still keep insisting that your initial reaction to this article about a 2 week programmer's retreat program holds merit.
So yeah, it is hilarious that you can sit there at your computer and continue to make wildly sexist and misogynistic statements even while everything you're saying is proven wrong. But hey... keep fighting that "Anti-Social Injustice Pacifist" fight. You do you, buddy