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It's about the right person for the right job. TC would rather employ based on the persons background (allegedly more important than skill)
TC knows it’s all bull****. This is virtue signaling for the company.
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Citation?
Are you really expecting a citation for this guys opinion?

Really?
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It must be nice to have nobody tell you you can’t do a job because of who you are. It must be nice to not need programmes that only aim to help and even out decades of oppression.
I don’t know, where is all your evidence of this? Or do you just take it as an article of faith? If your evidence is “I know someone who complained because men were mean to her,” it’s not really evidence. It’s an anecdote with zero context.

When there are rules and laws telling women “no,” I will stand beside you.

Until then, I suppose you can continue to live in your righteous fantasy where there are damsels in distress, oppression around every corner and you are amongst the good and noble fighting for women and the downtrodden. Like a super hero in a comic book.

Please. Its a fever dream. This isn’t a Rosa Parks civil rights moment (although the social justice left is desperate for one, and I suppose the evil patriarchy and perhaps Trunp are windmills to tilt at).
 



Apple today announced the launch of its new Entrepreneur Camp, which is meant to create new opportunities for app-driven businesses that are owned or led by women.

The Entrepreneur Camp offers an intensive technology lab, specialized support for app developers, and ongoing mentoring.

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Apple says that to be eligible for the program, which is now accepting applications, businesses must be female-founded, co-founded, or led and have at least one woman on the development team. A working app or prototype is required, as is a "desire to leverage Apple technologies and benefit their mission.

The inaugural session of the Entrepreneur Camp is set to begin in January 2019. Sessions will be held on a quarterly basis, with 20 app companies accepted for each round. The exception is the pilot round, which will be limited to 10 companies.

After being accepted to the program, companies will be able to send three employees to Cupertino, the home of Apple's two most well known campuses: Infinite Loop and Apple Park.

The two week immersive program is set to include one-on-one code-level assistance with Apple engineers, sessions on design, technology, and App Store marketing, access to an alumni forum for peer-to-peer mentoring, and ongoing support from Apple.

Participating companies will also receive two tickets for the following year's Worldwide Developers Conference as well as one year of free membership in the Apple Developer Program.

Article Link: Apple Launches App Development Program for Female Entrepreneurs and App Developers
 
Sometimes it’s not down to ethnicity, sexual preference, gender etc. Sometimes someone is just simply crap at their job, or not the best fit for a job.

Or sometimes it’s been a lifetime of a world dictating social and professional roles based on ethnicity, sexual preference, gender etc. and people trying to persevere, despite and in spite of those attitudes.
 
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I am a pretty liberal software engineer in Silicon Valley. I also do a lot of hiring for my company, holding interviews and reviewing resumes. And let me tell you; almost none of the applicants are women. The vast, overwhelming majority of people who send us their resume are men.

Only a small percentage of CS students are women, something like 10%. I don’t know why the HECK anyone hysterically shrieks about how a company is sexist if only 10% of its engineers are women! You get out what you put in.

This gender imbalance is 99.99% a pipeline problem. For cultural reasons, most women simply aren’t interested in software engineering. That’s NOT evidence that the tech world is some evil sexist dystopia. It’s simply a result of women choosing not to be engineers. And the reason is that most programmers get into programming because of video games, which obviously leans towards boys and not girls in our culture.

It’s cool to want more women in the tech industry. But all of these virtue-signaling programs are gettin pretty old. It’s quite clear how ineffective they are. Becoming a good software engineer is hard. A boot camp won’t fix that.
 
There aren’t enough women garbage collectors. Call your local sanitation department and ask them why they discriminate against the wimminz.

You just have to laugh at how insane the West has become at this point.

“It must be nice to not have people tell you you can’t do something”. LMAO Y’all kill me. xD
 
I am a pretty liberal software engineer in Silicon Valley. I also do a lot of hiring for my company, holding interviews and reviewing resumes. And let me tell you; almost none of the applicants are women. The vast, overwhelming majority of people who send us their resume are men.

Only a small percentage of CS students are women, something like 10%. I don’t know why the HECK anyone hysterically shrieks about how a company is sexist if only 10% of its engineers are women! You get out what you put in.

This gender imbalance is 99.99% a pipeline problem. For cultural reasons, most women simply aren’t interested in software engineering. That’s NOT evidence that the tech world is some evil sexist dystopia. It’s simply a result of women choosing not to be engineers. And the reason is that most programmers get into programming because of video games, which obviously leans towards boys and not girls in our culture.

It’s cool to want more women in the tech industry. But all of these virtue-signaling programs are gettin pretty old. It’s quite clear how ineffective they are. Becoming a good software engineer is hard. A boot camp won’t fix that.
i meet few women developer, most of them too obedient and cannot think outside the box. For serious work, i wouldn't trust women because they sometimes follow which higher bosses and don't follow instruction. A rebel developer the best because at least can think outside the box. If just pure support okay for women. For QA maybe yes but still don't overdo which keep the software increase a much bigger value and tend make developer runaway.
 
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I am a pretty liberal software engineer in Silicon Valley. I also do a lot of hiring for my company, holding interviews and reviewing resumes. And let me tell you; almost none of the applicants are women. The vast, overwhelming majority of people who send us their resume are men.

Only a small percentage of CS students are women, something like 10%. I don’t know why the HECK anyone hysterically shrieks about how a company is sexist if only 10% of its engineers are women! You get out what you put in.

This gender imbalance is 99.99% a pipeline problem. For cultural reasons, most women simply aren’t interested in software engineering. That’s NOT evidence that the tech world is some evil sexist dystopia. It’s simply a result of women choosing not to be engineers. And the reason is that most programmers get into programming because of video games, which obviously leans towards boys and not girls in our culture.

It’s cool to want more women in the tech industry. But all of these virtue-signaling programs are gettin pretty old. It’s quite clear how ineffective they are. Becoming a good software engineer is hard. A boot camp won’t fix that.
You state this like these programs have been around forever. They haven't. They are very recent and we haven't even had one generation of women go through these programs to see if they have an impact. Let's collect some data first before drawing conclusions.
 
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Everyone complaining about this should just apply for the program under your new female gender identity. Apple’s email explicitly allows this.
 
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I'm tired of seeing this gender-only, ethnic-only or whatever-only type of things. Forced diversity is a joke. If women want to get into IT, they will. The reason there are not many women in the IT sector is because of evident natural sex differences.
[doublepost=1543305164][/doublepost]Yes, good luck finding women who want to be firefighters and plumbers after they've all been hired to design self-driving cars and rocket ships.
 
I'm tired of seeing this gender-only, ethnic-only or whatever-only type of things. Forced diversity is a joke. If women want to get into IT, they will. The reason there are not many women in the IT sector is because of evident natural sex differences.

Exactly, my first thought is “discrimination”! So, if we are going down this road how about a program for white males seeking entrepreneurship? This whole initiative is more than ridiculous!!
 
I’m just here for all the white male, anti-diversity comments like yours. Thanks for not disappointing.
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This.
At what point do we reach perfect “diversity” in your eyes?
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Tim's the first openly gay Fortune 500 CEO. Ever. Sending my thoughts and prayers to you.
But doesn’t he still have “white male privilege”?
 
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There aren’t enough women garbage collectors. Call your local sanitation department and ask them why they discriminate against the wimminz.

You just have to laugh at how insane the West has become at this point.

“It must be nice to not have people tell you you can’t do something”. LMAO Y’all kill me. xD

And of course these programs only apply to office jobs.

During my IT studies we had 3 female students out of a 100 students or so total. 2 of those female students dropped out because they completely lacked interest. The one who did succeed works as a senior programmer at a large company now. She worked her way up there, it wasn't given to her.

We don't need these kinds of programs, we need to get women more interested in tech and the rest will come by itself. And getting them more interested in tech doesn't come with just giving them positions at AAA+ companies.
 
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Apple today announced the launch of its new Entrepreneur Camp, which is meant to create new opportunities for app-driven businesses that are owned or led by women.

The Entrepreneur Camp offers an intensive technology lab, specialized support for app developers, and ongoing mentoring.

appleentrepreneurcamp.jpg
Apple says that to be eligible for the program, which is now accepting applications, businesses must be female-founded, co-founded, or led and have at least one woman on the development team. A working app or prototype is required, as is a "desire to leverage Apple technologies and benefit their mission.

The inaugural session of the Entrepreneur Camp is set to begin in January 2019. Sessions will be held on a quarterly basis, with 20 app companies accepted for each round. The exception is the pilot round, which will be limited to 10 companies.

After being accepted to the program, companies will be able to send three employees to Cupertino, the home of Apple's two most well known campuses: Infinite Loop and Apple Park.

The two week immersive program is set to include one-on-one code-level assistance with Apple engineers, sessions on design, technology, and App Store marketing, access to an alumni forum for peer-to-peer mentoring, and ongoing support from Apple.

Participating companies will also receive two tickets for the following year's Worldwide Developers Conference as well as one year of free membership in the Apple Developer Program.

Article Link: Apple Launches App Development Program for Female Entrepreneurs and App Developers
Look at what happened at MIT. After hundreds of years of MIT being over 90% men, it is now 50%-50% men and women. I asked what made the difference and the MIT representative said to me "MIT is now 70% biology."
 
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It must be nice to have nobody tell you you can’t do a job because of who you are. It must be nice to not need programmes that only aim to help and even out decades of oppression.

It's kind of funny how you still see people with attitudes like this after we've seen study after study showing that as societies become more egalitarian, differences in attitudes and choices only increase between men and women. Then again social scientists expected the exact opposite results so it's probably not completely unexpected for people to hold views that go so heavily against what's now probably the most well replicated research in sociology.

The reality, regardless of what you think about it, is that on a population level men and women do tend to make different choices. A slight oversimplification of this is that men are, on average, interested in things, which is reflected in their share in fields like tech, while women are, on average, interested in people, which is reflected in their share in fields like nursing and HR.

Not that there aren't any exceptions, because there always are in nature, but saying that the current state of affairs is because of "oppression" or "discrimination" goes about as much counter to the science on the subject as people who try to deny global warming as a Chinese conspiracy against american industry.
 
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You created an account so that this could be your first post? Your mother would be so proud. :rolleyes:

You're still playing the hero, four pages deep - but that's just it; it's make-believe, champ. All your opinions seem to be just that; opinions. You're spouting all the NPC nonsense everyone else around you in San Fran is parroting.

Newsflash; preferential differences are huge when comparing the sexes - this is not disputed amongst scientists. Another newsflash; you spouted on about violence against women and murder... men are the the majority victims in most western countries when it comes to threats of violence and actual physical violence.

These are not opinions, these are facts. I didn't gender this, you did. I'm just pointing out that your opinions are ass-backwards.

All you do is counter replies with "sexist", "misogynist", etc... throwing insults around like a monkey throwing ****... give it up, they're not landing.
 
I’m sorry but apple should have highlighted the importance of women and diversity and offered a course designed for women. But then to allow ONLY women to apply is an issue for me. There is a difference between discrimination, a level playing field and a totally tilted one that gives a leg up to anyone based on who they are. I would prefer us to all be on a level playing field, you do not however need to redress the balance out of some past moral guilt. You don’t see adverts encouraging women into low paid roles only men occupy like dustbinman. If a woman prefers to do pick subjects and degrees like psychology over computer sciences then, you’re not going to have many coding job applications from women now are you. Men pick maths and hard sciences because of the subject matter and way of learning behind it, I can’t see that changing and there is no need for it to change, just to make the HR diversity manager look balanced. Tilting the playing field is the same as discriminatory practices and has no place in a modern workplace.
 
So if I'm a "Social Justice Warrior", what does that make you? An "Anti-Social Injustice Pacifist"? Or just a "Status Quo Warrior"?

Regardless, it's amusing to me that you're trying to imply that one seminar/program/whatever focusing on female app developers is somehow detrimental towards men. I mean, if you're seriously that concerned about it, I'm afraid that your life is going to be severely traumatizing. Your doctor metaphor is wildly inaccurate. This app developer program focusing on women is a two week program... the women aren't applying for jobs. So what exactly are you so furious about?
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It *IS* hilarious... hah! I mean, you've gone through the process of implying that a 2 week program focusing on female app developers is somehow detrimental and discriminatory towards men... and then you implied that hate crimes are a hoax and that they don't actually happen... and then you attempted to blow off the fact that I proved you wrong by saying (and I'm paraphrasing here) "Oh yeah, you found one example, but you couldn't possibly find another because I'm right and you're wrong", even though anyone with two or more braincells realizes that your statements are profoundly inaccurate... and you still keep insisting that your initial reaction to this article about a 2 week programmer's retreat program holds merit.

So yeah, it is hilarious that you can sit there at your computer and continue to make wildly sexist and misogynistic statements even while everything you're saying is proven wrong. But hey... keep fighting that "Anti-Social Injustice Pacifist" fight. You do you, buddy :)

Lol, you just won yourself a Cathy Newman “So you mean..” Prize
 
“Your son’s brain will be operated on by Graham today”

“Is he one of your top Neurosurgeons?”

“Oh not all all, not even a Neurosurgeon. We were under pressure to fill our black-ginger-genderfluid-goth-identifiesasanightstand allocation, and they were around at the right time”
 
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This delusional, victimhood way of thinking is so childish. Yeah, straight, white males are so disadvantaged... not being raped in an alley at night, not being brutally beaten or murdered because of your sexuality, not being profiled by police while driving or even just wearing a hoodie, not being refused a job because of your skin color... you have it so rough. My thoughts and prayers go out to you.

It's actually about gender, not race.
[doublepost=1543314599][/doublepost]Can I apply if I am gender fluid?
 
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We all live in one world, we all must share the resource & intelligent. I've always believed that women/men or in between or any types of disability - all of them should be treated equally no matter what background they are from, their own personal issues got nothing to do with us - as long the person has the ability to perform the task.

If the person was born in between (men or women) or disability, obviously it's not their fault they need to move on their life and should get the same respect like normal people - they have the right to land a decent job.

If a person who is out of jail (they have already served their time), they still have a criminal record - however, if they really want to put an effort to change for a better life we should give them a second chance to prove themselves.
 
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And now we can talk about male and female.... oh, I thought they keep mentioning need transgender and how you be born is not important? Why the gender become a line in there? Lol
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I'm pretty sure he strongly believes in diversity seeing that he is..............
Gender fluid? Lol... question, I m a man, and I desperately want to join the program, can I transfer to woman and getting in.... once it down, I don’t feel quite comfortable to be a woman, can I trans back to man... I think it’s no big deal for people nowadays, right?
 
And now we can talk about male and female.... oh, I thought they keep mentioning need transgender and how you be born is not important? Why the gender become a line in there? Lol
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Gender fluid? Lol... question, I m a man, and I desperately want to join the program, can I transfer to woman and getting in.... once it down, I don’t feel quite comfortable to be a woman, can I trans back to man... I think it’s no big deal for people nowadays, right?

While I (as a gay white man (66% devil)) think that this program is not a great idea, I don‘t know what your issue with Trans people is. Afaik they don‘t switch gender everyday. But if you identify as a woman, you can apply. I quote the email I got:

* Apple believes that gender expression is a fundamental right. We welcome all women to apply to this program.
 
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