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Apple Launches App Development Program for Female Entrepreneurs and App Developers
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Great that most of you did not read Apple's page for this program. It states:
It also states:
Apple doesn't go into what these challenges are but they seem to have their reasons. It's a program where people who identify as women can learn from both Apple engineers and other women in the field. While for writing software there is certainly no difference between genders (compared to say something that requires physical strength where men have the genetic advantage), part of it seems to be to provide a safe environment where these women don't have to deal with some thirsty dude hitting on them or misogynistic person belittling their achievements - both unfortunately common in the male dominated tech industry.
It also states:
Apple doesn't go into what these challenges are but they seem to have their reasons. It's a program where people who identify as women can learn from both Apple engineers and other women in the field. While for writing software there is certainly no difference between genders (compared to say something that requires physical strength where men have the genetic advantage), part of it seems to be to provide a safe environment where these women don't have to deal with some thirsty dude hitting on them or misogynistic person belittling their achievements - both unfortunately common in the male dominated tech industry.
That is per definition discriminatory towards anyone who doesn't fit the bill for "woman". How about disadvantaged guys who want to have the same opportunity to go to some event as this?
Hate crimes? What is that? Since when is the motive for a crime actually BECOME the crime? If you murder your partner for cheating on you, you're simply a murderer, but if you murder them because they are gay (or whatever the buzzword of the day is), it is a hate crime? Anyways. A crime is a crime. Oh also I never implied that these types of crimes are a hoax. I'm more on the side of "Yes these crimes happen, we live in a world where this happens.", rather than "Oh no it is an epidemic!!!!!!!"
You didn't prove me wrong because you made a straw man out of my original point. If I find one, two, one hundred or whatever number of examples of white men getting murdered by black men, does that then mean that I can claim that there is some sort of racist epidemic of black men killing white men? No, I cannot, because that's not how it works.
Looks like you know the meaning of "merit" after all!
Hahahahaha. Whatever integrity you had left, you lost it at this one. Quote me even just one instance of me being sexist or misogynistic.
lol..as if everything is given in silver platter for men..everyone has to work hard and get a degree or something to get success.
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"I'd love to install this app, but it was developed by a woman, so I won't".
- No one, ever.
- No one, ever.
What oppression?? and how many decades ago was this oppression that we must still talk about it as if it's relevant or has any effect on anyone?
Disgraceful behaviour by Apple. "Affirmative action" is discrimination.
Everyone gets told that they’re lacking X when trying to do a job, in one form or another. Just because a program exists doesn’t mean it’s right.
Women (in Western civilizations) have not been oppressed for decades. Countries such as Iraq and India have a near equal amount of female and male engineers, are they more progressive than USA and Canada?
In my Computing, University degree course there were around 200 students. Ten of those were women. Meanwhile, in Business Studies, women outnumbered men. Squeezing women in to computing jobs just because they are women is wrong. There are more men in IT and that is down to the natural choices that genders make for their interests. "Diversity" quotas are discrimination and must be stopped.
It's a shame men can't go to this kind of thing. Guys would be interested in this too.
Inclusion should be including everyone.
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Easy, men aren't allowed to attend unless they're part of a group and two women are already attending. It's not difficult. Inclusion should be including everyone. I can't attend because I'm a male even though its something that sounds interesting to me.
Also if you think women are discriminated against in IT I can tell you you've never worked in IT.
Inclusion should be including everyone.
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Easy, men aren't allowed to attend unless they're part of a group and two women are already attending. It's not difficult. Inclusion should be including everyone. I can't attend because I'm a male even though its something that sounds interesting to me.
Also if you think women are discriminated against in IT I can tell you you've never worked in IT.
Yeah you’re right, unlike women in countries like Iran and India who are pretty much half of the engineering graduates. Those women there don’t have to deal with thirsty dudes hitting on them or misogynistic people putting them down. /s
Wow, how unbelievably patronizing towards women to think that they can’t do their jobs because of the occasional jerk in their workspace.
What? I never said that women can’t do their jobs, lol what a joke.
I’ve personally experienced this discrimination at my workplace. A female coworker and I applied for the same IT position. She has no experience in IT and even told me she’s not gonna get it but what the hell. I have way more IT experience than she does. Guess what? She was hired and I wasn’t. She was so surprised because she told me she didn’t know how to answer the interviewers questions because she has no technical knowledge. She’s so nervous now because she says she has no idea what she’s doing. She constantly calls me asking me questions and what her peers are talking about because she doesn’t understand any of it. She has no technical trouble shooting skills AT ALL. So all of you who think women are being oppressed in the workplace, wake up. I found out there are more women in the IT department at my workplace than men it’s ridiculous. It scares me to think how many of those females were hired based on gender and not skills.
I don't have much to contribute to this thread.
As an Indian-American software developer, I wanted to say to all the white males out there - "thank you". You have been very kind to me in my twenty-five years in software engineering. Your level of jerkiness is not out of line with the rest of the human race. I have been mentored by many of you and I have had wonderful relationships with some that have gone past work. You have put me in positions of power and authority willingly. You seem to be getting grief as of late so I wanted to add this note.
I am not a lady, so I have no comment other than to say I have hired many (most?) of the women who have applied for positions at companies I was involved in hiring. We evaluated them on technical chops, not gender. They do an admirable job. We had very very few to choose from over the years, however.
As an Indian-American software developer, I wanted to say to all the white males out there - "thank you". You have been very kind to me in my twenty-five years in software engineering. Your level of jerkiness is not out of line with the rest of the human race. I have been mentored by many of you and I have had wonderful relationships with some that have gone past work. You have put me in positions of power and authority willingly. You seem to be getting grief as of late so I wanted to add this note.
I am not a lady, so I have no comment other than to say I have hired many (most?) of the women who have applied for positions at companies I was involved in hiring. We evaluated them on technical chops, not gender. They do an admirable job. We had very very few to choose from over the years, however.
As a person who is independently designing an app, learning iOS app development, and currently coding it, this program looks really promising. Only problem is that I’m male, so I guess I’m just excluded.
Last month i have miserable life because of one intern women which i left the company keep bugging me to help . The company i quit don't want to spend any senior or equipment at all even 3 dollar mouse. At first i entertain but it become so crazyness after a while she keep bugging me even i give sample code and after a few day accusing me something i don't have time . I do freelance doesn't mean i have 100% time free.
How did she get into that particular STEM course? By hard work or by programmes similar to these that assume that women are incapable of achieving these things by themselves?
Primary/Elementary school teachers are not biased against boys, they simply believe that the behaviour that they display is unacceptable, even though it is merely horse play. In essence, they just do not understand how normal children behave.
I don't see how secondary/high schools are biased towards girls though, I'd love some explanation for this.
Where the actual F did you get the notion that I think there is a limitation of ability?? Did you see the title of this article? This is a programme created for women to get a head start in coding. THEY are the ones who clearly feel that women are incapable of achieving these things by themselves. My god, you people will twist and turn my words into exactly the opposite of what I am actually saying, just to fit your own narrative.
How does it benefit everyone? Imagine for a second that you had 2 children: 1 girl and 1 boy. Both of your children have shown an interest in programming. Now you see this article and think, great! I'll take my girl to this, she'll definitely enjoy it! What about the boy? This is really what it comes down to. It's a differentiation made between people for what they have between their legs, to equalise a gender balance in a particular field of work that does not need equalising.
I am actually in the field of software development. During my time of study at third level, I had received about 6 or 7 emails about scholarships. Mind you, I live in a country where scholarships are very difficult to even hear of, let alone win/get. Of those 6 or 7 emails guess how many were for women only? About 5 or 6. The only one that applied to men as well as women that was sent to me, was in fact only sent to me because I was a nominee for getting it and funnily enough entirely based on merit. So in essence what you have is, the tiny amount of girls who already made the conscious decision to go into software dev. have access to a handful of scholarships simply because they are girls. It's not like it enticed them to get into software, since they already chose to go into the field.
"get the most out of their experience" Sorry, what do you mean by that exactly? as for opportunity; what opportunity do guys get that girls don't?
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They could have at least taken a second look at the page they created and made sure it didn't look like garbage in the worlds most popular browser at 100%.
It was made by someone who was hired to fill a diversity quota.
It isn't what I think.
What I wrote was "such as". You seemed very sure about "evident natural sex differences", i.e. you consider these brain differences "evident", right? Which is fascinating, because current scientific research cannot explain what is so "evident" to you. What are these "evident" differences that lead to fewer women in IT?
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Why does something need to be solvable to perfection in order to be applicable as a problem?
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Plenty of countries have hate crime legislation, so yours probably does as well. Since the term seems to confuse you so much, why don't you look it up? Why don't you look up the history of why it exists?
Also, how is homosexuality a "buzzword of the day"? Do you think it's a fad that hasn't existed a century ago and will pass?
*Tips Fedora*
And he was referring to how the LGBT acronym is ever expanding.
Ie. how some gays call themselves the “Q” word (I don’t want to say it because the macrumors forums filter/censor might think it’s used in a disparaging way.)
Lots of entitled men in the comments section today, lol. OMGURD THEIR COMIN' FOR OUR JURBS!
Of course there are natural sex differences. Women tend to be caregivers. But many of them are pressured into that career path because there aren't many alternatives. They are expected to follow that path are are more likely to be hired into those types of jobs. They are given dolls instead of drills as toys growing up, even if they don't want them. But what if they want to follow a different path? It can be difficult for a young woman to find support in pursuing a career in STEM, entrepreneurship and programming. Finding partners and investors in their app can be even more challenging. I see nothing wrong with empowering women with the tools they need to find success in this field.
If we're going to talk about gender roles here in the comments, then how about this: women are typically less violent (men fight wars, men make up the overwhelming majority of serial killers and mass shooters, etc), women are good educators, women are better at communicating. Shouldn't we want more women designing apps? I think it would make for a better world to have more feminine leadership—to bring balance. For context, I am a straight white male of the Christian faith who is moderate left-leaning politically who does design and development and my wife owns and operates a licensed daycare and we have both a daughter and son. My wife wanted to pursue that path, but we also let my daughter play with robots and my son play with dolls when they want to. My daughter is nearly 5 and is almost as good with a drill as I was as a teenager (which isn't saying a lot but still). We build and fix things together all the time in my workshop. She takes ownership of a small part of a project and I can see her eyes light up with satisfaction and confidence as she tells my wife or her grandparents about what part she fixed or built. At the moment she wants to be either a robotics engineer or a doctor when she grows up, and I will do everything I can to make that happen, even if she changes her mind to something else or wants to be a teacher or whatever.
Of course there are natural sex differences. Women tend to be caregivers. But many of them are pressured into that career path because there aren't many alternatives. They are expected to follow that path are are more likely to be hired into those types of jobs. They are given dolls instead of drills as toys growing up, even if they don't want them. But what if they want to follow a different path? It can be difficult for a young woman to find support in pursuing a career in STEM, entrepreneurship and programming. Finding partners and investors in their app can be even more challenging. I see nothing wrong with empowering women with the tools they need to find success in this field.
If we're going to talk about gender roles here in the comments, then how about this: women are typically less violent (men fight wars, men make up the overwhelming majority of serial killers and mass shooters, etc), women are good educators, women are better at communicating. Shouldn't we want more women designing apps? I think it would make for a better world to have more feminine leadership—to bring balance. For context, I am a straight white male of the Christian faith who is moderate left-leaning politically who does design and development and my wife owns and operates a licensed daycare and we have both a daughter and son. My wife wanted to pursue that path, but we also let my daughter play with robots and my son play with dolls when they want to. My daughter is nearly 5 and is almost as good with a drill as I was as a teenager (which isn't saying a lot but still). We build and fix things together all the time in my workshop. She takes ownership of a small part of a project and I can see her eyes light up with satisfaction and confidence as she tells my wife or her grandparents about what part she fixed or built. At the moment she wants to be either a robotics engineer or a doctor when she grows up, and I will do everything I can to make that happen, even if she changes her mind to something else or wants to be a teacher or whatever.
These “entitled men” are the reason you can use the internet today. Just imagine for a moment that DARPA had a diversity quota to fullfill and what a big impact it would have. But we gotta have more people who are not fit for the job but are hired anyway right?
As a comparison, where are the programs for women to become fire fighters or trash truck drivers? We want diversity right? Oh wait, it only applies to office jobs, gotcha.
Bottom line: pick the person right for the job. All the points you made i’ve never seen in my career in IT.