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"There are some concerns that fixing ‌Siri‌ could require more powerful hardware"

Makes sense to delay it then if it's going to run poorly on current hardware. It'll get saved to be a feature of new hardware. Though there is the broken promise to iPhone 16 owners of the lacking feature set...

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I'd rather they scrapped Siri and just integrated ChatGPT completely to do all the stuff Siri does now. At least they actually work, can hold a conversation and can answer questions unlike Siri. Talking to Siri is like trying to talk to a 2yr old, I have to try and dumb my questions down enough and then hope it actually answers it, and that's a 50/50 chance if it does. With ChatGPT it's like talking to an actual adult who can answer what I want just fine the majority of the time, no matter how I word it, or how long and complicated the question may be.
 
I'd rather they scrapped Siri and just integrated ChatGPT completely to do all the stuff Siri does now. At least they actually work, can hold a conversation and can answer questions unlike Siri. Talking to Siri is like trying to talk to a 2yr old, I have to try and dumb my questions down enough and then hope it actually answers it, and that's a 50/50 chance if it does. With ChatGPT it's like talking to an actual adult who can answer what I want just fine the majority of the time, no matter how I word it, or how long and complicated the question may be.
That's fine for asking all sorts of questions but what about having it do something like search for some photo on your phone then send it to the person you're currently talking to? The deeper integration and contextual knowledge is the whole point to what they need to do with Siri since for everything else we already have the option of using ChatGPT or other AI agents. To do that deeper integration requires all the apps to have their APIs ready for the AI agent (Siri) to acesss them.
 
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Think it will roll out only with iOS 20. It will be a long wait. Expecting to see solid improvements after such a long wait. For iOS 19, expecting to see Gemini integration.
 
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"AI", such as it is today, at least what people call AI... is resource intensive.

If Siri is going to incorporate capabilities the likes of which people expect from current AI chat bots then of course it's going take up a lot of resources.
 
Anyone who bought an iPhone 16 model should be able to return it. This is the problem with Apple promising what they cannot deliver but using those promises to sell 100m iPhones since launch.
Though I'm not sure most that bought the iPhone 16 did so primarily for AI. For example, I had an 13 pro before my 16 and I wanted some features like satellite 911 and messages along with better camera, etc. I was hopeful for the AI features but I knew I could use ChatGPT or others and so the extra AI features weren't critical though I still hope Apple can move quicker on this and that the result is wort the wait. I'll probably next get the iPhone 19 which should have even more power for AI along with various other incremental improvements that will feel like a lot after skipping the 17 and 18.
 
Take as long as they need. No one is clamoring for this from Apple. Let the LLM companies shine as they smooth out the kinks. Amazing tech that is not ready for Prime Time. Good on Apple for allowing AI companies like Open AI and others to link to the OS in a sandbox.
 
Though I'm not sure most that bought the iPhone 16 did so primarily for AI. For example, I had an 13 pro before my 16 and I wanted some features like satellite 911 and messages along with better camera, etc. I was hopeful for the AI features but I knew I could use ChatGPT or others and so the extra AI features weren't critical though I still hope Apple can move quicker on this and that the result is wort the wait. I'll probably next get the iPhone 19 which should have even more power for AI along with various other incremental improvements that will feel like a lot after skipping the 17 and 18.
I bought it as with this iteration of iOS changing everything anything that had gone before was instantly obsoleted. So, AI yes, specifically Siri, yes & no, as knew it was further down the line.
 
Apple took the wise approach. While some companies are pumping AI into literally everything (no, I don't need AI to manage my calendar), Apple appears to be taking a more subdued approach. This is superior, especially given how terrible AI is at almost everything it does
 
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Hopefully humanity will consign AI to the dustbin of history when we come to our senses. It's been demonstrated that over-reliance on AI can diminish cognitive functioning. Is it really worth it?
Over broad. You could say that computers themselves diminish cognitive functioning since we don't do many complex mental work in our heads or with pen and paper. But on the other hand many still do very complex thinking while using a computer -- they just do bigger tasks than they ever could before computers. Same with AI as we can do MORE by leaving trivial things to AI. Current AI often gets it wrong and does so using lots of resources so it's just in its infancy and so is our figuring out just where AI fits best in our work and lives.
 
Stepping back from Apple's "reality distortion field" (untruthiness), there is at this point, only one reasonable narrative about Siri that goes something pretty close to this: "Siri's ongoing debacle is only getting worse. For years now, and actually ever since we bought and released Siri, it has been spectacularly terrible at pretty much everything we wanted it to do, and promised it could do. Most of our users recognize this and turn it off as soon as possible and just wish there were a way to actually use our products without having to continually play whack a mole with Siri by ripping it out of whatever it tries to get into, wherever it gets in the way, and whenever it asserts itself at always awkward and unwanted times when we never even asked it anything in the first place (because we already know there's an 85% chance it will misunderstand us, get our request wrong, and either give us the wrong answer or hand us off to Google anyway). It is at best a complete humiliation to the Company (Apple) and everything we stand for, including, "it just works" and "technology should serve the user, not the other way around" and it just keeps getting worse because we utterly refuse to admit the hot piece of garbage it has been since day one. Instead of scrapping it at multiple obvious data points, we continue to double down on it every time. So, that's what we're doing again. Overpromising on features, usability, functionality and timeliness except this time we are trying to wrap this Zombie-ware in the pristine and colorful language of AI. And we will never, ever, ever admit that any of this has ever happened or that it is happening as we speak or that it will continue to happen until Siri becomes the death of Apple as Microsoft, Google, Amazon and others show by contrast how far behind we've fallen because we refused to admit the emperor (Siri) was never wearing any of the clothes we pretended she'd been wearing. That's the bear naked truth of it."
 
“There are some concerns that fixing Siri could require more powerful hardware”.

But I thought iPhone 16 was built from the ground up for Apple Intelligence. I have the indelible image of Tim Cook saying so while motioning upwards, in fakery and desperation.
 
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Apple today shared a somewhat vague statement announcing that some of its planned Apple Intelligence Siri features will take longer than expected to develop, and it's sounding like those Siri capabilities aren't going to be implemented until iOS 19.

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Apple's statement, for context:"In the coming year" isn't exactly concrete, and could be interpreted as in the next 12 months, or as 2026. If it's taken as in the next 12 months, that leaves room for a launch that's still part of iOS 18, but 2026 is firmly iOS 19. Direct Apple acknowledgements of product delays are uncommon, and if Apple was on track to introduce the Siri features in iOS 18, would the company bother to make a delay announcement at all? It seems unlikely. For that reason alone, there's a good chance Apple has pushed the feature set to iOS 19.

Daring Fireball's John Gruber has come to a similar conclusion, suggesting Apple's "years" refer to product years that start at WWDC. It is his opinion that Apple is subtly suggesting an iOS 19 launch timeline.

Further, both Reuters and CNBC interpreted Apple's statement as a delay of the Siri features until 2026, and wrote headlines stating as much. If Apple was only counting on a delay of a couple of months, it's likely the company would correct the 2026 assumption, but Apple has offered no further clarification nor has it asked for those sites to change their wording.

We'll get the first iOS 19 update in September 2025 alongside new iPhones, so if 2026 ends up being accurate, the Siri features might not even come in the iOS 19 release. They'll instead be slated for a future iOS 19 update, perhaps iOS 19.2 or iOS 19.3.

The vague wording of Apple's statement gives it some runway to tweak launch timing. The company has up to 12 months to provide the promised Siri functionality after admitting to a delay, so there's a good chance Apple is aiming for the September iOS 19 release, but tempering expectations in case it takes longer.

Apple announced the personalized Apple Intelligence Siri features at WWDC 2024, and initially said the functionality would come in iOS 18. Rumors suggested Apple was aiming for an iOS 18.4 release, but couldn't meet that timeline. Until now, there was still hope for a launch in iOS 18.5 or iOS 18.6, but there are strong implications that the feature set is going to be bundled into iOS 19 or an update to iOS 19.

The Siri features that we're waiting on include personal context to allow Siri to keep track of emails, messages, files, photos, and more, and deeper app integration that lets Siri do more in and across apps.

Apple is also working on an LLM version of Siri similar to ChatGPT and Google Gemini, and while that was initially planned for the iOS 19 update, it now seems Apple is going to hold it until iOS 20.

Update: Bloomberg's Mark Gurman says that the Siri features "won't be released until next year at the earliest." Some people in Apple's AI division think the features could even be "scrapped altogether and rebuilt from scratch.

There are some concerns that fixing Siri could require more powerful hardware, which would mean Apple needs to reduce its feature set or make the models run more slowly on current devices.

Article Link: Apple Likely Targeting iOS 19 for Delayed Siri Features
i think apple should have to compensate buyers if it comes out after the new phone model and ios 18 period. somepeople would have waited.
 
I’m just waiting for the headline at the September Apple Event of new breakthrough Apple Intelligence features that will only work with the new iPhone 17 Pro after I stupidly bought the 16 Pro for the same reason.
 
I still don’t think this is true. No other company has achieved anything close to what Apple is proposing with Siri. Amazon has announced something similar, but it’s not out yet and details are fuzzy. Gemini isn’t fully integrated with Assistant and can’t do things like, eg, control device functions.

Apple certainly isn't a leader in AI, but I also never expected it to be—it’s a hardware company and it always has been.
Isnt their whole point of difference they keep touting that they make the hardware and software so it all works together.
 
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