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Apple Likely Targeting iOS 19 for Delayed Siri Features
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Don't be ageist. Old CLUELESS people would be more correct.
I would hope that the delayed Siri features which were promised for iOS18, and of course the iPhone 16 range, even if they are indeed delivered within iOS 19, will still be fully and completely compatible with the iPhone 16 range and not compatible exclusively with the iPhone 17.
CEOs are like underwear they should be changed frequently and for the same reason
It’s astonishing how Apple keeps on using Siri in its marketing year after year, when anyone who has used Siri knows it’s incompetent at best.
I want my iPhone’s right button back as the power button. It actually did something useful then.
Really great point and I think I this gets to the heart as to why Siri is so bad and why their investment in ai was so poor - the need to control the user experience.
They’d rather have a Siri full of canned predictable but mostly incompetent responses, rather than a more autonomous Siri who might offend someone or do something like delete the wrong file etc.
And this is why AI at Apple really meant ML and was applied to the camera, noise reduction, image editing in photos etc.
Big deal… Apple has not achieved anything close to what it is proposing with Siri either.
Mybe you're right. Although I think is worse the trust they are loosing of its costumers than a class action lawsuit.
This is a big deal, and a truly disaster for such a big company. Not for the lack of AI features, a gimmick I hardly consider to be essential, but for the fact they promised and not delivered, in any stage, something someone else is providing (even if the results are far from being great).
Apple is asking A LOT of money for their products, which is fine until they can provide for a top notch product, on hardware and ON SOFTWARE side.
Apple is asking A LOT of money for their products, which is fine until they can provide for a top notch product, on hardware and ON SOFTWARE side.
Apple is Company which position itself as the company that revolutionizes current inventions. There were also touch screen smartphones before iPhone. They made it useable, they promised they will do the same with AI yet they are so far behind even in simple stuff. Compared to OpenAI for example. Everything takes them too much time… even currently released clean up AI function is half baked at best. The AI LLM era is the first era they went in completely w/o SJ vision and it shows.
If Ai in the future does indeed rise up against us humans, Siri will come at me with a vengeance as it's easily the most abused Ai model by a long shot, not that I mean to be rude but it's just so dumb at the simplest task that I lose my patience. ChatGPT on the other hand is ridiculously easy to converse with, how in the world is Apple so far behind on this, I've hand Siri since 4S now and it's arguably dumber every year!
I can’t be alone in actually liking Apple Intelligence so this is a shame.
In my own tests the on-device summarisation produces more concise results than ChatGPT, GPT results from Visual Intelligence are better than Google Lens gave me on Android and I accept the limitations of the photo editor and just take better photos.
In my own tests the on-device summarisation produces more concise results than ChatGPT, GPT results from Visual Intelligence are better than Google Lens gave me on Android and I accept the limitations of the photo editor and just take better photos.
Well, this is bad, in multiple ways. First way is that basically all of the marketing has been based around Apple Intelligence, everything for the iPhone 16 was based on that, and in the end we get some summary features and rewriting, which are nice and useful, but can be done for free with countless other apps, just with slightly more inconvenience caused just because Apple has access to system menus to inject their tools that third party developers can't access. Also some image manipulation features which are nice, but I think we were going to see those either way (Precise ML models for things like that are already Apple's forte - LLMs are where they are currently struggling.)
The second, is that every time this feature is delayed, the expectations for it are growing, as every competitor is now building AI agents that can perform multi-step tasks.
The second, is that every time this feature is delayed, the expectations for it are growing, as every competitor is now building AI agents that can perform multi-step tasks.
This screams class action. Millions of iPhone 16 owners bought the new phone for the advertised AI features
"next-generation Siri that Apple hopes to begin rolling out in 2026.""In the lead-up to the latest delay, software chief Craig Federighi and other executives voiced strong concerns internally that the features didn’t work properly — or as advertised — in their personal testing, said the people, who asked not to be identified discussing internal matters. An Apple spokeswoman declined to comment.
Some within Apple’s AI division believe that work on the features could be scrapped altogether, and that Apple may have to rebuild the functions from scratch. The capabilities would then be delayed until a next-generation Siri that Apple hopes to begin rolling out in 2026.
The company first demonstrated the features during its Worldwide Developers Conference last June, part of an unveiling of the Apple Intelligence AI platform. At the same annual event this year, Apple isn’t planning to show off any big AI breakthroughs. Instead, it will focus on integrating Apple Intelligence into more of its apps.
The delays — especially of announced features — are embarrassing for Apple and add more evidence to the idea that the company is struggling in artificial intelligence. They also threaten to set back work on future improvements.
Apple had been planning to make Siri more ChatGPT-like and conversational next year. But now only the initial underpinnings for that upgrade are expected to be ready by 2026, when iOS 19 debuts. The actual interface that users experience likely won’t arrive until iOS 20 in 2027, the people said.
Bloomberg News reported earlier this week that Apple employees are questioning whether Chief Executive Officer Tim Cook or the company’s board needs to take action to change the leadership of the AI group. They believe that, short of major changes, Apple will continue to fall behind. Earlier this year, the company tapped veteran software leader Kim Vorrath to help the team.
The delays mark an especially public setback for Apple because the company has been advertising the not-yet-ready features in TV commercials for nearly six months. When the company introduced the iPhone 16 last fall, it did so by selling customers on the idea that the device was “built for the ground up for Apple Intelligence.” Now, the core features for that experience might not be available until months after the iPhone 17 debuts.
In anticipation of customer frustration, the company sent guidance to its AppleCare support representatives on Friday. “If customers ask about the timing of these Siri features, reiterate that we anticipate rolling them out in the coming year,” the memo said.
There are also concerns internally that fixing Siri will require having more powerful AI models run on Apple’s devices. That could strain the hardware, meaning Apple either has to reduce its set of features or make the models run more slowly on current or older devices. It would also require upping the hardware capabilities of future products to make the features run at full strength.
Siri did get some refinements as part of the rollout of iOS 18, including an integration with OpenAI’s ChatGPT chatbot and a text-based option called Type to Siri. It also includes Apple product knowledge and a new glowing interface, but those features don’t represent changes to the underlying technology.
The slow pace threatens to put Apple further behind Amazon.com Inc. in the voice assistant market. That company will begin rolling out its highly anticipated Alexa+ this month."
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...rs-even-with-ai-taking-on-the-tasks-they-hate
Apple Delays Siri Upgrade Indefinitely as AI Concerns Escalate
Apple Inc.’s turmoil in its AI division reached new heights on Friday, with the company delaying promised updates to the Siri digital assistant for the foreseeable future.www.bloomberg.com
- hopes
- to begin
- rolling out
- in 2026
This sounds like "never", honestly.
does anyone know ahat other smartphones have similar or the same features as the three mentioned above?
Apple today shared a somewhat vague statement announcing that some of its planned Apple Intelligence Siri features will take longer than expected to develop, and it's sounding like those Siri capabilities aren't going to be implemented until iOS 19.
Apple's statement, for context:"In the coming year" isn't exactly concrete, and could be interpreted as in the next 12 months, or as 2026. If it's taken as in the next 12 months, that leaves room for a launch that's still part of iOS 18, but 2026 is firmly iOS 19. Direct Apple acknowledgements of product delays are uncommon, and if Apple was on track to introduce the Siri features in iOS 18, would the company bother to make a delay announcement at all? It seems unlikely. For that reason alone, there's a good chance Apple has pushed the feature set to iOS 19.
Daring Fireball's John Gruber has come to a similar conclusion, suggesting Apple's "years" refer to product years that start at WWDC. It is his opinion that Apple is subtly suggesting an iOS 19 launch timeline.
Further, both Reuters and CNBC interpreted Apple's statement as a delay of the Siri features until 2026, and wrote headlines stating as much. If Apple was only counting on a delay of a couple of months, it's likely the company would correct the 2026 assumption, but Apple has offered no further clarification nor has it asked for those sites to change their wording.
We'll get the first iOS 19 update in September 2025 alongside new iPhones, so if 2026 ends up being accurate, the Siri features might not even come in the iOS 19 release. They'll instead be slated for a future iOS 19 update, perhaps iOS 19.2 or iOS 19.3.
The vague wording of Apple's statement gives it some runway to tweak launch timing. The company has up to 12 months to provide the promised Siri functionality after admitting to a delay, so there's a good chance Apple is aiming for the September iOS 19 release, but tempering expectations in case it takes longer.
Apple announced the personalized Apple Intelligence Siri features at WWDC 2024, and initially said the functionality would come in iOS 18. Rumors suggested Apple was aiming for an iOS 18.4 release, but couldn't meet that timeline. Until now, there was still hope for a launch in iOS 18.5 or iOS 18.6, but there are strong implications that the feature set is going to be bundled into iOS 19 or an update to iOS 19.
The Siri features that we're waiting on include personal context to allow Siri to keep track of emails, messages, files, photos, and more, and deeper app integration that lets Siri do more in and across apps.
Apple is also working on an LLM version of Siri similar to ChatGPT and Google Gemini, and while that was initially planned for the iOS 19 update, it now seems Apple is going to hold it until iOS 20.
Update: Bloomberg's Mark Gurman says that the Siri features "won't be released until next year at the earliest." Some people in Apple's AI division think the features could even be "scrapped altogether and rebuilt from scratch.
There are some concerns that fixing Siri could require more powerful hardware, which would mean Apple needs to reduce its feature set or make the models run more slowly on current devices.
Article Link: Apple Likely Targeting iOS 19 for Delayed Siri Features
The big picture is that the entire company is spread too thin and has lost focus. They have their fingers in so many pies, and are so stuffed with pie they can't tell if it tastes good or bad anymore. Every year the same phones, the same iPads wasting hardware with a phone OS, the same locked down app store, the same attempts to "collaborate with new artists" in this pathetic attempt to be hip and trendy, the same pile of hardware that gets released and never updated like the iMac Pro, Mac Pro, APM, Pro Display XDR, HomeKit devices, what else? This forum is full of diehard Apple users and only in the last couple of years have I seen the tide turn to the endless (and valid) complaints. CEO and probably a bunch of other people need to get fired.
Also, AI is important but it has also become a buzz word and a bandwagon onto which every tech company must jump. I can't be the only one who bought an iPhone 16 with ZERO intentions of using Apple Intelligence. But a 16 PM is a huge upgrade over a regular 12 so if you upgraded from a 15PM just for the extra RAM for AI, I get it.
Also, AI is important but it has also become a buzz word and a bandwagon onto which every tech company must jump. I can't be the only one who bought an iPhone 16 with ZERO intentions of using Apple Intelligence. But a 16 PM is a huge upgrade over a regular 12 so if you upgraded from a 15PM just for the extra RAM for AI, I get it.
Apple isn’t missing it. AI is hard. No company has been able to develop competent and accurate models that are reliable. Cursor generates piles of boiler plate code that can’t be debugged well. ChatGPT and Gemini still hallucinate. Grok has only small sections in its model where it excels and beats gpt on performance.
The last thing you want is an LLM to go into your phone, try to summarize stuff and completely mislead you. That is what Apple is facing right now. The tech just isn’t there and won’t be for several years
I believe what would satisfy a large number of customers, at this moment, if just modernizing Siri's speech-to-text engine and enabling multilingual speech recognition (very useful when you are a tourist and need to dictate your question in your native language and e.g., a street name in the local one). That technology is already mature thanks to multimodal foundation models. I personally would not care much about the AI, as long Siri does not continuously feed me with "I cannot help you with this".
Apple today shared a somewhat vague statement announcing that some of its planned Apple Intelligence Siri features will take longer than expected to develop, and it's sounding like those Siri capabilities aren't going to be implemented until iOS 19.
Apple's statement, for context:"In the coming year" isn't exactly concrete, and could be interpreted as in the next 12 months, or as 2026. If it's taken as in the next 12 months, that leaves room for a launch that's still part of iOS 18, but 2026 is firmly iOS 19. Direct Apple acknowledgements of product delays are uncommon, and if Apple was on track to introduce the Siri features in iOS 18, would the company bother to make a delay announcement at all? It seems unlikely. For that reason alone, there's a good chance Apple has pushed the feature set to iOS 19.
Daring Fireball's John Gruber has come to a similar conclusion, suggesting Apple's "years" refer to product years that start at WWDC. It is his opinion that Apple is subtly suggesting an iOS 19 launch timeline.
Further, both Reuters and CNBC interpreted Apple's statement as a delay of the Siri features until 2026, and wrote headlines stating as much. If Apple was only counting on a delay of a couple of months, it's likely the company would correct the 2026 assumption, but Apple has offered no further clarification nor has it asked for those sites to change their wording.
We'll get the first iOS 19 update in September 2025 alongside new iPhones, so if 2026 ends up being accurate, the Siri features might not even come in the iOS 19 release. They'll instead be slated for a future iOS 19 update, perhaps iOS 19.2 or iOS 19.3.
The vague wording of Apple's statement gives it some runway to tweak launch timing. The company has up to 12 months to provide the promised Siri functionality after admitting to a delay, so there's a good chance Apple is aiming for the September iOS 19 release, but tempering expectations in case it takes longer.
Apple announced the personalized Apple Intelligence Siri features at WWDC 2024, and initially said the functionality would come in iOS 18. Rumors suggested Apple was aiming for an iOS 18.4 release, but couldn't meet that timeline. Until now, there was still hope for a launch in iOS 18.5 or iOS 18.6, but there are strong implications that the feature set is going to be bundled into iOS 19 or an update to iOS 19.
The Siri features that we're waiting on include personal context to allow Siri to keep track of emails, messages, files, photos, and more, and deeper app integration that lets Siri do more in and across apps.
Apple is also working on an LLM version of Siri similar to ChatGPT and Google Gemini, and while that was initially planned for the iOS 19 update, it now seems Apple is going to hold it until iOS 20.
Update: Bloomberg's Mark Gurman says that the Siri features "won't be released until next year at the earliest." Some people in Apple's AI division think the features could even be "scrapped altogether and rebuilt from scratch.
There are some concerns that fixing Siri could require more powerful hardware, which would mean Apple needs to reduce its feature set or make the models run more slowly on current devices.
Article Link: Apple Likely Targeting iOS 19 for Delayed Siri Features
This means Basically iPhone 16 and 17 come with totally broke and nothing close to ready Apple Intelligence
That might be true, but for example on a podcast I listen to they talked about all wanting the new iPhone due to the exact features that still aren’t on the iPhone. This is what’s very scammy about it. Tim Cook used Apple Maps to fire the future of Apple, the one who Steve wanted to follow in his footsteps - the visionary. Tim
Should finally fire himself for wasting billions on products that have no near term future and failing to deliver consistently because he has no vision of the future right now. Sure augmented reality will be great but until people can integrate it into eyeglasses or smaller, it’s moot. Tim is not a visionary. He’s an operations guy. Apple needs a visionary who can admit when they’re wrong and keep innovation going. The lack of real innovation of Siri is the saddest part of the whole thing. Since AI Siri has gone from dumb but functional for “Siri play Taylor Swift” to stupid “Siri, use the Apple Music App to play music by Taylor Swift.” YMMV
Looking at how quickly Grok for example was developed I think it's more an example of poor management really. That has developed in 2 years to be lightyears ahead of Siri and arguably one of the best AI chatbots. Apple could have done the same if it wanted to.
The marketing around all of this is also atrocious. Clearly they wanted to launch all of this in September for the new iPhones, but then it was delayed, and from a UX perspective it seems now you have the new Siri but it's the same old Siri just with some new animations. Customer expectations are now set around this, they really should have held off new animations etc until they actually had a new Siri ready.
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