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Apple Looking to Launch Siri-Enabled Television Set by 2013

Please don't spread FUD about CableCard

Amazing Iceman said:
Every time I have asked different people at the cable company they tell me CableCards have problems and don't work properly. I hope you don't run into problems too.
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I'm one of the millions of TiVo HD users who would disagree with that.

When I got my TiVo HD I went to the local ComCast outlet to get the two CableCards (it has dual tuners, so needs two decoders).

The woman at the ComCast counter said - no, you don't need two cards. Here's the new dual card (two decoders on one card). Plugged it in 5 years ago, and not a bit of trouble.
 
I have Time-Warner Cable. My TiVo needs a Tuning Adapter and is a pain in the hindquarters when it gets out of synch.
 
Scott90 said:
Shouting "SHOW ME PORN" through open windows at houses where they have an Apple television will then become my new hobby.
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Like Apple will allow that!

Wholesome American tripe only please. Oh, and Coldplay. Yippee.
 
tctony said:
I think this would be totally stupid.

Edit for the haters: Who wants to talk to their tv? There would be some cool things about an Apple TV: using an iOS device as a remote and getting your iTunes content wirelessly. But how many people actually rely on iTunes to watch their shows (and no, MacRumors is not a representative sample).

You really think Siri would be able to "Record Parks and Recreation at 8:30 on NBC"? And also FYI, people with a 4S will tell you that using Siri will save you a maximum of a few seconds. It's not worth it.

Knowing Apple, this will be expensive. What is the incentive for people to buy? People like me don't' mind replacing our iPhone every year, but nobody is going to replace their tv like that. People keep TVs for a long time.

And to the idiots: Where in this post did I hate on any Apple product? Check my signature and see that I am an Apple fan. Check my posts and join date, I'm not some troll. SORRY I WENT AGAINST THE ALLMIGHT APPLE GUYS. I love my iPhone and MBP, but Apple is not perfect, regardless of what you fanboys want to think.
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I agree with the fact that Apple is not perfect (that does not mean I hate Apple, Apple is awesome :)). I personally think that an Apple TV would be awesome! And also, there is no reason to be so mean/harsh/rude! In actuality it is YOU who is the hater!
 
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This could be sweet.

I'm not sure why they don't just beef up the current apple tv now and add Siri in. They could put a mic on it and it would work just the same. I would rather be able to purchase any TV I want and hook up the set top box than pay an outrageous amount of money (because we all know it will be) for a new TV. I just bought my 46' Samsung over Christmas. I'm not gonna buy a new TV until this one craps out and I know other feel the same way. It will probably be a sexy TV and I'll drool for a minute but **** in one hand and want in the other. I think it's an awesome idea. Still doesn't solve the problem of content providers controlling what you watch, when you watch it. But I guess if you have everyone in the known world buying your TV, it could make content providers want to be a part of it. We'll see what happens. I'm rooting for the success.
 
Apple is investing big time in making all their Idevices more "gameable"
So next to program on demand with Siri, my guess is that they will probably put a sort of PS3 in the TV to be able to play "amazing" games on this "magical" new Idevice.
 
consumer release in 2013

consumer release in 2013? So much will change in 2 years

Way too slow. Should have started 1 year ago with release this XMas.

What's the big deal? Just build 55" iMac (or iPad) with Siri and iOS.
 
Another issue I just thought of with this. Just how many jo public people are going to worry how you control a television over the picture quality? Not many, the number one thing you look at before ANYTHING else is the picture.
Now I don't know how many of you have shopped for televisions recently, but most Jo Public will go into a store and in the store will normally be several sets next to each other all displaying the same HD feed. And you can instantly see differences between each manufacturer.
That's what Apple would need to beat, the panels are the same but it's the processors that make each set different. I like Panasonic and find the Samsung picture too bright, others are the other way round. Their is no set standard.

And another thing stopping it is that no doubt it will only be sold in Apple stores, to avoid being next to all these other sets most likely less then half the cost.
 
Amazing Iceman said:
I thought you had an old XBox... I actually do have one somewhere.
Well yeah, the XBox 360 is not that old.

Every time I have asked different people at the cable company they tell me CableCards have problems and don't work properly. I hope you don't run into problems too.
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Oh, I don't bother with the "360" part anymore, since the original ones are so rare now.

The cable company doesn't want you to use a CableCard; they want you to rent their crappy cable box every month. And admittedly, this is anything but a financial move for me, since the HTPC itself is well over a grand before the Ceton goes in, but I had other reasons for getting it. The only issues I'm aware of with the Ceton are that it wants a STRONG cable signal (so you might need an amplifier on the line) and can't do on-demand (so you need to make it record everything you might ever conceivably want to watch). In any case, I'm not getting rid of the cable box until the Ceton works.
 
For those who say that they wouldn't like the idea of an Apple TV set because they would like to choose their own screen size, type etc. I believe that if Apple created this Apple TV set that they would keep the cheaper Apple TV box as well.
 
tctony said:
I think this would be totally stupid.

Edit for the haters: Who wants to talk to their tv? There would be some cool things about an Apple TV: using an iOS device as a remote and getting your iTunes content wirelessly. But how many people actually rely on iTunes to watch their shows (and no, MacRumors is not a representative sample).

You really think Siri would be able to "Record Parks and Recreation at 8:30 on NBC"? And also FYI, people with a 4S will tell you that using Siri will save you a maximum of a few seconds. It's not worth it.

Knowing Apple, this will be expensive. What is the incentive for people to buy? People like me don't' mind replacing our iPhone every year, but nobody is going to replace their tv like that. People keep TVs for a long time.

And to the idiots: Where in this post did I hate on any Apple product? Check my signature and see that I am an Apple fan. Check my posts and join date, I'm not some troll. SORRY I WENT AGAINST THE ALLMIGHT APPLE GUYS. I love my iPhone and MBP, but Apple is not perfect, regardless of what you fanboys want to think.
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Excellent. I'm gonna save the above quote & use it to start a new thread maybe 2-3 years from now, after Apple launched a hugely successful & widely popular new Apple TV, proving naysayers wrong AGAIN. :D

Really now, when will people ever learn. Predicting the iPhone will fail, laughing off that iPad is pointless etc. Apple has a proven record of coming up with surprisingly good products none of us thought we need but ended up can't live without them.

I myself will be following any news of the Apple TV development closely. :apple:
 
King Alekay said:
For those who say that they wouldn't like the idea of an Apple TV set because they would like to choose their own screen size, type etc. I believe that if Apple created this Apple TV set that they would keep the cheaper Apple TV box as well.
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If they do that (and I like that option more than killing it), the problem I've shared is fully realized. What's that problem? Unlike Macs, iPods, iPhones and iPads, this would be the first mainstream computing product from Apple that separates the software from the hardware in an Apple-endorsed way. More simply, the choice will then be this Apple Television vs. Any Television + :apple:TV. And either of those choices would yield the exact same software experience. What's the problem?

It's easy to picture the Apple Television at some price- say- $1800. They will have sourced that screen from someone (LG, Samsung, Sharp, maybe others). Whoever it is will put the exact same screen in their own-branded case. I bet that television would cost about $1200. If so, the choice will be an Apple Television at $1800 vs. the EXACT same screen and the EXACT same software experience for around $1300.

This problem is not like Windows vs. OS X, Android vs. iOS, or an Apple computer vs. a Dell or HP. It's not even Hackintosh vs. Macintosh (as this would be fully endorsed/embraced by Apple). This would literally be an Apple logo & Apple Case vs. the exact same guts and software experience in somebody's else's case. Earlier in this thread, I offered the analogy of Apple deciding to sell iOS so that it could run on any Smart phone hardware in an Apple-endorsed way. Want that bigger screen from Samsung or HTC but still want the full iOS experience too? This problem is like that... which is nothing like the revolutionary reinventions of the past.

Why not? Because in Macs, iPods, iPhones and iPads, the big differentiator was not so much the case or screen... but the software. If the exact same software is also going to be available in an approx. $99 box, will those outside of the "I'll buy anything with an Apple logo on it" realm really pay up the $500 extra for the exact same screen with an :apple:TV built in (and then perhaps not as upgradable as an external box)?

For this reason, I think an Apple Television kills the :apple:TV as a stand-alone product. Or I don't think an Apple Television can sell that well (if an :apple:TV that can deliver all of the same software-based experience with any other television).
 
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anarchos said:
Excellent. I'm gonna save the above quote & use it to start a new thread maybe 2-3 years from now, after Apple launched a hugely successful & widely popular new Apple TV, proving naysayers wrong AGAIN. :D

Really now, when will people ever learn. Predicting the iPhone will fail, laughing off that iPad is pointless etc. Apple has a proven record of coming up with surprisingly good products none of us thought we need but ended up can't live without them.

I myself will be following any news of the Apple TV development closely. :apple:
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I totally agree with you! Although personally I don't like the iPad [I like laptops (I own the 2011 macbook air)] because I think the screen is to big to be a touch screen. If the iPad had a smaller screen I would like it better. I would still like laptops better though.
 
MacTheSpoon said:
I don't really get what advantage it would be to build this into a TV set instead of making it a set-top box. Then people could choose the TV with the picture they like best instead of relying on Apple's choice.
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  1. Apple hates cables and clutter. They favour unification and simplification. This gets rid of the HTPC, set-top box, (game console?) etc, associated cables and separate input devices.
  2. Most consumers (not necessarily the type that frequent MacRumors) don't realise that the TV/HTPC experience could be a lot better than it is. If they buy a Panasonic TV, which out of the box does enough to keep them happy, they're unlikely to spend more money on a set-top box. An Apple branded TV is a simpler purchasing option for this type of consumer, provided it's competitively priced with other name brands, such as Panasonic, Sony, Samsung, etc.
  3. If Apple doesn't get this right, someone else will… eventually. Apple sees a new market to crack.
  4. An Apple TV places the Apple logo front and centre in the living room. I imagine Steve very much liked the thought of that.
 
HobeSoundDarryl said:
If they do that (and I like that option more than killing it), the problem I've shared is fully realized. What's that problem? Unlike Macs, iPods, iPhones and iPads, this would be the first mainstream computing product from Apple that separates the software from the hardware in an Apple-endorsed way. More simply, the choice will then be this Apple Television vs. Any Television + :apple:TV. And either of those choices would yield the exact same software experience. What's the problem?

It's easy to picture the Apple Television at some price- say- $1800. They will have sourced that screen from someone (LG, Samsung, Sharp, maybe others). Whoever it is will put the exact same screen in their own-branded case. I bet that television would cost about $1200. If so, the choice will be an Apple Television at $1800 vs. the EXACT same screen and the EXACT same software experience for around $1300.

This problem is not like Windows vs. OS X, Android vs. iOS, or an Apple computer vs. a Dell or HP. It's not even Hackintosh vs. Macintosh (as this would be fully endorsed/embraced by Apple). This would literally be an Apple logo & Apple Case vs. the exact same guts and software experience in somebody's else's case. Earlier in this thread, I offered the analogy of Apple deciding to sell iOS so that it could run on any Smart phone hardware in an Apple-endorsed way. Want that bigger screen from Samsung or HTC but still want the full iOS experience too? This problem is like that... which is nothing like the revolutionary reinventions of the past.

Why not? Because in Macs, iPods, iPhones and iPads, the big differentiator was not so much the case or screen... but the software. If the exact same software is also going to be available in an approx. $99 box, will those outside of the "I'll buy anything with an Apple logo on it" realm really pay up the $500 extra for the exact same screen with an :apple:TV built in (and then perhaps not as upgradable as an external box)?

For this reason, I think an Apple Television kills the :apple:TV as a stand-alone product. Or I don't think an Apple Television can sell that well (if an :apple:TV that can deliver all of the same software-based experience with any other television).
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Yeah, your probably right.

No actually, you aren't right. Negritude makes a good point by saying that the Apple TV set will be to the current Apple TV as the iMac is to the mac mini.
 
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One man's opinion

This could be as big as the ipad.

I HATE remote controls. I have a high end that is RF-based for all of my components but there is programming associated with it to work properly.

The key will be voice control. For voice control to work with cable-boxes and other components, it will be tricky but they should be able to figure out how to do it well.

The home theater business is moving rapidly to IP-based devices. Along with my cable box, my blue-ray player is IP-based as well.

And i bet it will be ready BEFORE CHRISTMAS 2012...not 2013.

Can't wait.
 
Now if this cable card will apple put a USB port so it can do SDV?

I don't see TRU2WAY on this as that forces the cable CO GUI on you.
 
mattwolfmatt said:
Wow, you live you life based on rumors? Just raid all the money still in the Verizon iPhone account. That account must have been sitting a while gaining principal and interest.
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It's ironic that your signature talks about a special sarcasm font. I did not really open any savings account today. It was kinda a joke....
 
siri: can i play mkv, divx etc on the apple tv?

- i'm afraid not, we want to get u to buy our ****** drm protected itunes format files

siri: where am i supposed to plug in my bd player?

- sry im afraid u cant do that either

but omg the experience is amazing cuz its just easier to use, god forbid u have to think
 
At this rate it won't be long before Siri presents the WWDC keynote.

And shortly afterwards attempts to exterminate the human race. The resistance will send someone back in time to prevent this from happening, and Siri will send an A800 back to protect Steve.

:apple:
 
God, I'm not sure that this would be a good idea for me.

If my current TV could hear all the things I shout at it, it probably would have hung itself by now.
 
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