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Who used it first?

Sony, with one of their earlier Vaio revs. There have been plenty of references to the design on this very board.

You know, this whole "everyone copying Apple" thing is getting so incredibly old. On one hand, I will say that they have had some influence on tech fashion here recently. But why be bothered by it? They set a trend. You should all be thrilled that your favorite company is currently sitting the high water mark on computer styling.

On the other hand, saying that any thin laptop is automatically a ripoff of the air is so very dense. Laptops, since their very inception, have been striving for thinner, sleeker, and easier to carry about. Apple (arguably) managed to make a laptop a little thinner than the rest (by mere millimeters). Any other company wanting to match or beat it's profile doesn't make them copycats, who were suddenly inspired by the amazingly innovative and novel idea of a thin laptop (like no one else thought of it beforehand). No. They're just doing what tech companies do. Competing with each other by first matching, then attempting to outdo.

Comeon. You're all probably in your mid-late 20's here on average. Quit acting like brain damaged children, and think of a better argument.
 
The only downside to all this growth is you can't just walk into an Apple store anymore for service requests without an appointment.... or waiting around and seeing if someone no shows.

To be fair, the other PC makers don't even have stores. So you get to call a 1-800 number and cross your fingers.
 
Why does Steve Ballmer still laugh seeing this development!

Impressive development for Apple.

What I do not understand about this: How can Steve Ballmer attend CES 2012 and still laugh on stage while being confronted with those figures. It is cristal clear that Microsoft is slowly going out of business. Under pressure from all sides: Apple Mac and iPad and Google Pac (Google signed Santander Bank - Europe's biggest bank, two days ago for Google Pack).
 
I don't care if it's a border or background. It looks similar to a Macbook Pro, but it came out when the Macbook Pro was still all white.

I'm sorry, that bulky laptop you showed did not look anything like an MBP.

And MacBook Pros were NEVER white.
 
On the other hand, saying that any thin laptop is automatically a ripoff of the air is so very dense. Laptops, since their very inception, have been striving for thinner, sleeker, and easier to carry about.

I disagree. Without going though an entire history of the laptop, it was Apple that commissioned Intel to design the Core2Duo chip inside the Air. It may be that PCs makers have always strived for thinner machines, but when the Air was first announced it was a truly groundbreaking design. It's only now, 4 years after the first Air was shown to the world that PC makers are really pushing "ultrabooks."

So, given that it was years between the Air and any PC competitor, I think it's safe to say PC makers did copy the Air design. And the reality is that the CE industry followed Jobs' lead all during the 00's. Almost all GUI, hardware designs, and workflows (like apps) are borrowed from Apple.

The irony is that Apple itself borrowed a lot of its ideas from independent developers and entrepreneurs.
 
Sony, with one of their earlier Vaio revs. There have been plenty of references to the design on this very board.

You know, this whole "everyone copying Apple" thing is getting so incredibly old. On one hand, I will say that they have had some influence on tech fashion here recently. But why be bothered by it? They set a trend. You should all be thrilled that your favorite company is currently sitting the high water mark on computer styling.

On the other hand, saying that any thin laptop is automatically a ripoff of the air is so very dense. Laptops, since their very inception, have been striving for thinner, sleeker, and easier to carry about. Apple (arguably) managed to make a laptop a little thinner than the rest (by mere millimeters). Any other company wanting to match or beat it's profile doesn't make them copycats, who were suddenly inspired by the amazingly innovative and novel idea of a thin laptop (like no one else thought of it beforehand). No. They're just doing what tech companies do. Competing with each other by first matching, then attempting to outdo.

Comeon. You're all probably in your mid-late 20's here on average. Quit acting like brain damaged children, and think of a better argument.

Care to post a pic?
I'm in my mid-40's FYI.
 
Don't people on here remember when the MacBook Pro was updated to it's current design back in 2008?

It got a lot of criticism because it's glass screen and black surround looked just like the HP Pavilion. :)

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Some of the coments in this thread are quite amusing.


I remember that, also when the new cinema displays with a black bezel came out they looked like the HP w2007
 
Care to post a pic?
I'm in my mid-40's FYI.

Sony Vaio X505VP from 2004.

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They were also using the chiclet keyboard 2 years before Apple.

(As posted last week by KnightWRX https://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?p=14121420#post14121420)
 
Not going down

Im not surprised its going backwards.

The price of the Macbook pro is beyond a joke now.

having owned 2 15" pros im seriously thinking of moving away as upgrading is way to expensive.

When a laptop costs over £2000 with a half assed GPU inside and upgrades which have to be bought with blood diamonds your market share is going to drop.

Time apple started charging average prices for average spec laptops or actually spec them up to what they are trying to charge.

The data does not indicate a downward trend. The mathematical model that is best applied here is a Seasonal Autoregressive Integrated Moving Average(ARIMA). The data indicate a continued upward trend. Last quarter represents Apple's slowest on a repeating cycle that is presented here obviously quarterly. This slow down quarter is actually higher then the previous best quarter from the prior cycles. The trend line here is clear up.
 
You say inspiration I say imitation. Like I said, it seems like there are some companies that sit back and let Apple do much of the innovating and simply rip-off their research and development for their own.

If you put it that way, Apple has copied too.
 
Don't people on here remember when the MacBook Pro was updated to it's current design back in 2008?

It got a lot of criticism because it's glass screen and black surround looked just like the HP Pavilion. :)

Image

Some of the coments in this thread are quite amusing.

Thank you! I knew that design wasn't used first by Apple. Apple rarely uses a design first.
 
If you put it that way, what actual innovation are those Windows OEM Ultrabook-makers bring on the table?

The fact that they have been down the thin and light road before as posted by Olly(with Reference To knight).. So with the paperthin logic in this thread, apple copied Sony
 
The data does not indicate a downward trend. The mathematical model that is best applied here is a Seasonal Autoregressive Integrated Moving Average(ARIMA). The data indicate a continued upward trend. Last quarter represents Apple's slowest on a repeating cycle that is presented here obviously quarterly. This slow down quarter is actually higher then the previous best quarter from the prior cycles. The trend line here is clear up.

Yes YOY trend is up but it does say that apples share of shipping PC sales went backwards from quarter to quarter. So their share has gone backwards.

Their share is also not growing YOY anywhere near as high as some others.
 
If you put it that way, what actual innovation are those Windows OEM Ultrabook-makers bring on the table?

How about a REAL GPU inside instead of a paltry integrated one.

Apple hasnt innovated in the PC space for Years.

Unibody was probably the best thing they ever did which enabled the Air.

But the internals are nothing to write home about and neither is the performance.

but most of the innovation comes from Intel and Nvidia which allow Apple to do most of the things they want to do.
 
How about a REAL GPU inside instead of a paltry integrated one.

Apple hasnt innovated in the PC space for Years.

Unibody was probably the best thing they ever did which enabled the Air.

But the internals are nothing to write home about and neither is the performance.

but most of the innovation comes from Intel and Nvidia which allow Apple to do most of the things they want to do.

Everyone basically uses Intel and Nvidia.
The truth is Intel had to put million bucks on the table to persuade Windows PC OEM's to build 'Ultrabooks' that actually work.
Next step is to make Ultrabook that actually sell. Not holding my breath.

Oh, and for Apple not innovating n the PC scene:
OS X Lion
Mac AppStore
Thunderbolt port (yep with Intel)
Multitouch gestures
...
iPad!
 
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Ok where do you draw the line?

What line? I simply said that all copying is not the same. There's lots of different kinds and degrees. It's a pretty vague argument to say "Apple copies too." So? Society wouldn't exist without copying. Copying is fundamental to innovation.
 
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