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I'm with Max(IT) on this one. I personally won't buy anything but 128GB or higher these days, mostly because I have a lot of music and a few big apps that I don't want to compromise on. That's me though, and I don't think my personal use profile defines the market so precisely that companies shouldn't offer a product I personally wouldn't buy.

I also don't take video, and only a limited number of pictures. If I was like a lot of people and relied on streaming for my music and used my phone mostly for communications and accessing online services, then 16GB would probably suit me just fine.

I don't know the breakdown of sales between the different storage options, so I don't know if the majority are buying 16GB phones or not. The point really is that they don't have to-- there are other options out there. So even if a profitable minority were interested in buying the 16GB version, it is still worth selling-- and the fact that Apple continues offering them is pretty much proof that people want to buy them. You don't dominate the profit share of an industry by selling stuff people don't want. That is the excuse these companies have not to-- people are buying it.

In short, the 16GB device isn't being sold for you-- so stop complaining about it.

If you need more proof that a 16GB device is perfectly functional, look at this complaint:

B4U's company is perfectly happy buying them. B4U would personally like more storage, but assuming they work for a company that deserves to be in business, the company would make a different choice if they felt this decision was hurting their ability to operate.

And this is where I've long suspected the rage against 16GB comes from-- people who don't have the power to make their own purchase decisions. Their parents, or their company, are making the purchase decision and so the only way to get something different is if Apple didn't offer what they're currently being given. That's really the only environment in which this kind of attitude makes any sense at all-- the only time you should care if a company is selling something you don't want to use is if you're being forced to buy it.

Sure, there are a few out there taking the Socialist view that profits are a sin against the proletariat and Apple should be giving according to their ability while we take according to our needs-- but for the most part I think the complaints are the rage of the impotent.
You could have saved a heap of time by just saying you're an Apple lover. A16gb phone should be sold for $100 and aimed at children.
 
Don't you know this is a iphone 7 rumour?
They cant be these naive because they would know that most of us would wait for the 7s so this is rumour for the 7. Same analyst said in august that apple in future is testing a cpu with 64 bit and in sept the 64 first chip was officially launched
Iphone se with 16gb is the old iphone 8gb
Apple already started with the ipad pro in sept last year all main new ios devices with base of 32 gb
 
Actually, it kinda makes sense that Apple saves it's more radical redesign for the 10th anniversary of the iPhone. Even if that means bucking the trend and doing it for the iPhone 7S version instead of the 7. Perhaps they'll just call it the iPhone X instead of the iPhone 7S. I dunno. If the rumors are true, and the iPhone 7 released this fall keeps the same basic look of the current iPhone, except for the dual lens cameras and getting rid of the antennae bars on the back and the headphone jack...i don't think that's sooo bad. Those are some pretty radical changes in and of themselves from the iPhone 6. And I'm sure Apple will have many other internal changes too. Of course many will still be upset about that, but I won't. Being a travel photographer, just the dual lens camera will be enough of a reason for me to get one. If Apple needs another year to perfect the curved glass iPhone with omled screen, fine. I can wait. An iPhone 7 with a dual lens camera will be more than enough of an update to me.
 
Figuring the 16GB is often the top selling model, why would they change? And people who buy a 16GB model aren't ones worrying about shooting 4K video.

Don't you realize how absolutely inane that statement is? You could use the same logic to justify an 8GB iPhone. After all, if you need more you can just pay $100 to double, another $100 to go further, etc. right?

A phone with a 4K camera simply should *NOT* have 16GB of storage. That's just pathetic. you can shoot barely 20 minutes before you have COMPLETELY filled up your storage. Wow. Especially when it would have literally cost pennies for Apple to have put 32GB instead. No joke, not even a dollar. NAND flash has gotten so cheap but Apple seems stuck in 2011. It's sad and pathetic.

But worst of all, a $750 phone with 16GB...???? Come on now. There are Android phones less than HALF that price with 32GB. What a joke.

I used to be an iPhone guy even since the first back in 2007. But these days the iPhone is an awful joke, a punch line.

I hope that this year, when Apple does move to 32GB (it really just had to at this point), I hope their profit margins take a HUGE dive because they truly deserve it.
 
That is incredible! I'm in awe. :eek:

Also, hot off the presses, did you hear that iPhone still only starts at 16GB for the entry level?

I know. Samsung and LG are noble companies they would never do that if they could. They are for the consumer only and not the stockholders. DAMN U APPLE!!!! GRRRRRRR !!!!!

Figuring the 16GB is often the top selling model, why would they change? And people who buy a 16GB model aren't ones worrying about shooting 4K video.

Net nerds believe everyone shoots 4k but the net geeks live in a bubble. The guy you quoted is a heavy gamer, like really heavy gamer and donates 100's to girl's on twitch. It's sad.... LOL
 
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I know. Samsung and LG are noble companies they would never do that if they could. They are for the consumer only and not the stockholders. DAMN U APPLE!!!! GRRRRRRR !!!!!

PREACH!


Net nerds believe everyone shoots 4k but the net geeks live in a bubble. The guy you quoted is a heavy gamer, like really heavy gamer and donates 100's to girl's on twitch. It's sad.... LOL
Shhhh, we can't let his secrets out.
 
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Figuring the 16GB is often the top selling model, why would they change? And people who buy a 16GB model aren't ones worrying about shooting 4K video.

Because people don't know any better and 16 gigabytes isn't enough storage, just shooting 1080p video taking pictures with a 12 megapixel camera. I have friends and family who regularly complain/ are annoyed with having to manage limited storage and/or a sluggish phone. It's easy to tell them "well you should have bought a higher storage phone" rather than asking why Apple continues to make them.

Read Gizmodo, Guardian, Cnet, any tech publication that normally has kind words for Apple and differs with you. 16 gigabytes isn't a viable storage option for the vast majority in the year 2016.
 
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Meanwhile, evil Apple executs with Tim Cook...

"Muhuahua, Mr. Cook we been able to sell them on the idea that we have been redefining the world's tech since the get go, and we have yet to innovate one device!"

"I don't know Sam, I just feel like it is wrong."

"Wha-"

*smirks* "Now let's see these idiots clammer to get the new iPhone with iPhone 4s design and a more gimmicky screen than a Sams-...errrr, LG TV!"

*Evil Laughter*

"Who are they going to go to? Windows sucks and Android freezes constantly."

"What about Amazon and Blackberry?!"

*More Evil Laughter*

*buzz* "Mr. Cook, we discovered that the new iPhone 6SE explodes if you charge it more than once."

"Damnit! OH well, at least it won't really hurt our sales."

*Even More Evil Laughter*

Please stay with your Comics, that seems to be your state of mind...
 
In fact for a few seconds let’s take Apple and MMS out of the equation. Which is the better situation for consumers;
  1. Others have a feature and you don’t because company A isn’t ready. So you can’t get involved.
  2. Company A implements said feature anyway and then improves upon it with their new method when time/technology allows.
My guess is you’ll go with 2.
But you guessed wrong and I'll go with 1. I loath paid SMS/MMS and would welcome if Apple removed this stupid compatibility feature for good. For a few seconds let's forget single features. Which is the better situation for a consumer:
  1. To live 8.5 years without a smartphone until there is an iPhone (SE) which meets all your price, performance and form factor expectations.
  2. To settle for something else that isn't an iPhone.
If you wouldn't pick 1 immediately, you're on the wrong forum. An Apple customer is someone who pays a premium price, because he sees tremendous value you can't get anywhere else.
Which means you also waited all these years and only now bought a Tesla because the internal combustion engine is so inefficient. Maybe you haven’t bought a car at all because Apple haven’t released one?
Apple doesn't strike me as a car manufacturer, you can't improve a car by building a better computer. But let's say Apple could improve a cars mileage, safety, speed, weight by the same scale it improves on iPhones. I wouldn't buy another car until I can afford a nice little Apple Car SE in Space Gray.
 
I know. Samsung and LG are noble companies they would never do that if they could. They are for the consumer only and not the stockholders. DAMN U APPLE!!!! GRRRRRRR !!!!!

Basically if you take alot of photos, take 1080p videos (not even 4k), download some music, and have an average amount of apps with a newish phone, 16Gb isn't enough. I hope all phone manufacturers see the light and make 32gb the default minimum.

I personally need at least 64gb, 32 is doable for most.
 
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If true this will surely kill sales this year. The customers on the non s cycle are used to getting a new design when their contracts are up. If the asthetics haven't changed these customers will either A: Keep their phone another year, or more likely, B: Leave Apple. This could be very bad for Apple if true.
 
Also have the prettiest cameras (again, this is from a valid source, DxOMark + multiple comparisons and review sites) and better functionality (SD Micro slot, water resistance, customization, etc..). Not sure about their older phones, but my 1 year old S6 is running flawlessly here. Problem with Apple fans is that they think their phones are superior, when they have never even considered trying other phones.
I have used other phones and have talked and seen reviews of other phones. The problem is with the software for the freezing and the throttling is because of the phone company's specs...Also, you could be just like my uncle who says everything is great even though they have to run 3rd party hardware to make the phone half way usable, so I'll stick to the many others who compared it with the iPhone and said iPhone is faster vs you saying that somehow it is better when i bet you havent even tested an iphone because omg lawl apple evil.
 
Problem with my company is, those bean counters do not understand how we use our phones. Taking pictures and videos are like a daily job requirement, because if there is no pictures or videos, the issue did not happen (at least, according to our design team). And to make matter worse, the IT department do not allow us to use iTunes on our work computers to unload those files from the phone to the computer...
Like I have said before, I offered to pay for the difference out of my own pocket to buy more storage, but was told no.
The only other way around is to get the Galaxy S5 (shoot me first) or buy my own phone (they don't actually pay enough to cover this expense).
I'm not doubting that you're trying to do the best at your job that you can-- I just don't think Apple is to blame.

There's one of a few things going on here: your company is making a bad business decision and mandating the wrong device because the feedback hasn't made it to the decision makers yet or they're simply incompetent, they are expecting you to use it differently than you are (lower resolution, retaining captured data for less time than you are, etc), your personal use case is on the long tail of the company's needs, or you're simply feeling the friction that happens when a company tries to maximize the efficiency of its resources.

Like I said-- if Apple stopped making a 16GB phone it would make this problem go away for you, but Apple isn't the problem here. Personally it sounds to me like either your company is being destructively frugal in not paying the $100 in capital costs that would make their labor expenditures more productive, or they're trying to be nice in offering you a choice between Apple and Samsung and you're being destructively loyal to the Apple brand. I have to say, it sounds like the first. $100 over the depreciation time for the device, I hope, is nothing compared to what they're paying you over that time for your skills.
 
Besides Photos Selfies etc. What "Personal Data" are you putting on Your Smartphone. ?? I don't get the "rub" when people say my "Personal Data"

Do you do Banking from a Cellphone ? do you Store Sensitive Tax or Health Data. ?

Personal Sensitive Data to me Are.

Bank Logins
Bank account Numbers
Pharmacy Prescriptions
I had a recent full physical Complete Blood Work levels results (these are handed on a printed Lab paper)
Safe Deposit Box Key
Tax Returns
Social Security Number

This stuff to me is "Personal Sensitive Data" Everything Else Facebook Twitter is Social Media or Pictures Which most iPhone share with the Cloud with or without your permission. And if you have any of the Above on your Cellphone question is what is wrong with you ?

Personal - Private data. Whatever that may be is up to the user. Who the hell are you to judge what personal private information can be stored on a smartphone vs a computer vs on paper? Digital information kept is better than paper version without all the hassles of securing paper copies. IN case of fire, theft, etc., digitally kept information is better. Not everyone shoots selfies and even if you do that is your own private data to keep.

You seem mad android isn't safe at all. Which is a fact but of course the grass can't be greener on iOS side when you compare to android. Android - more features (without one single thought about the repercussions of having such an open access features). You are free to store all your info on android all you like. I will never trust android platform, period.
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In addition to my iPhone 6+, I own a Nexus 6 running Marshmallow 6.0.1. With Nexus running stock Android, it's as close to iOS that you can get without any OEM bloat. To my surprise, Google has been great about pushing out monthly security updates and overall the device is secure. I've been alternating the Nexus 6 with my 6+ for over a year now and the Nexus on Android has been a flawless experience. Here in 2016, and from a completely unbiased standpoint, both these phones and OS' are 100% equally comparable. The future of both platforms is exciting.

Google nexus devices are known to have first dibs on security updates, OS updates, all that good stuff. The problem I have with google nexus devices in general is the hardware - especially from that China state-owned company called Huawei. That and ZTE.

Samsung hardware is just superior but of course we all know how bad touchwiz bloat is. But without Samsung software features you don't get all that cool stuff to play with. Just compare the camera of a Samsung device vs Google nexus. The latter is beyond bad.

There are good and bad with each OS - but iOS in general is much more stable, timely security updates released, and basically a good platform if you want sandboxed security. Of course power users and tinkerers love any platform that allows them to do anything they want hence why android is so popular. I have both and I just prefer to trust my data with Apple's iOS more so than any android OS, period.
 
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I'm not doubting that you're trying to do the best at your job that you can-- I just don't think Apple is to blame.

There's one of a few things going on here: your company is making a bad business decision and mandating the wrong device because the feedback hasn't made it to the decision makers yet or they're simply incompetent, they are expecting you to use it differently than you are (lower resolution, retaining captured data for less time than you are, etc), your personal use case is on the long tail of the company's needs, or you're simply feeling the friction that happens when a company tries to maximize the efficiency of its resources.

Like I said-- if Apple stopped making a 16GB phone it would make this problem go away for you, but Apple isn't the problem here. Personally it sounds to me like either your company is being destructively frugal in not paying the $100 in capital costs that would make their labor expenditures more productive, or they're trying to be nice in offering you a choice between Apple and Samsung and you're being destructively loyal to the Apple brand. I have to say, it sounds like the first. $100 over the depreciation time for the device, I hope, is nothing compared to what they're paying you over that time for your skills.

16 gigabytes isn't enough room for personal use, let alone a work situation. While true the company could pony up for the 64GB version for its employees or go with Samsungs, in my mind this should not be an issue in the first place. Apple promises a phone that "just works" and has almost no compromises. Lowering the bar rather than raising it and forcing a company to look for other options tells me a new, basic Apple phone isn't good enough to use in a work environment. It doesn't meet their minimum standards. That's not good publicity.
 
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Has anyone considered the fact that, when it comes to Apple MacBooks, iMacs, iPads etc. the main design changes are quite minimal.
I've considered it and it's just not true. MacBook design has changed quite a bit, not for the sake of change, but as actual improvements. The same will be true when you compare two iPhones, who are a handful of years apart.

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I know apple has to make an insane amount of phones each launch, but how will there still be an enormous OLED shortage by next fall when other phone companies have been making them for a long time now? Its actually pretty unimportant to me for the iPhone 7, all I really care about is for large improvements to the camera, but it makes no sense to me.
 
Guess I'll have to hold on to my iPhone 6 Plus for another year... If the iPhone 7 (or whatever they call it) this year will only have minor redesign, it makes sense for the 2017 iPhone to be completely redesigned. I don't think they'd keep the iPhone 6 design for 4 years!?
 
I'm less concerned with how looks like than how easy it is to hold. Otherwise I'll have to stick it a case like I do now and the design is totally lost anyway.
 
I know apple has to make an insane amount of phones each launch, but how will there still be an enormous OLED shortage by next fall when other phone companies have been making them for a long time now? Its actually pretty unimportant to me for the iPhone 7, all I really care about is for large improvements to the camera, but it makes no sense to me.

I don't think you see how manufacturing works - at least not with Apple - they order a huge amount of components each time they are ready to make a device. They don't just announce iPhone X is coming out - they announce it and have it ready to be shipped/delivered (these days) in about 1 week. You can see some other manufacturers that are not Apple announce a product, delay it for months or ship in 6 months to a year and sometimes delayed again due to shortages.

If Apple is to use amoled screens they are going to want like, HUGE INVENTORY - and that manufacturer has to fulfill the order based on contract. Apple buys up everything in massive quanities and that can be a blessing or curse if you are the supplier!
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I'm less concerned with how looks like than how easy it is to hold. Otherwise I'll have to stick it a case like I do now and the design is totally lost anyway.

I'm concerned about the look as well - the bandaid radio bands on the back of the current 6 series is just so ugly they are the deal breakers for me.
 
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There might never be an iPhone 7. The new iPhone SE might be a sign of things to come with the next iPhones dropping the number in favour of a name instead such as iPhone Air and iPhone Pro. It would make sense to drop the whole 6/6s two year design cycle in favour of smaller annual updates to both form and features to maintain sales momentum.
 
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