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How does profit equals quality? I mean monster cable charged thousands of dollars for HDMI cable, was that HDMI cable a testament of super quality cable?

I never understood the logic behind the reasoning that Apple makes the most profit that means Apple's stuff must be good.
You are confusing profit margin with profit. It is easy to make high margins-- as you say, you just raise the price arbitrarily. You'll make a lot per device, but you won't sell many devices. It's easy to increase your volume-- if you gave away your phone for free and offered a $100 rebate, you'd sell them as fast as you could make them.

The hard part is maximizing the product of margin and volume-- the profit. That's the number that indicates how well you're doing at addressing your market. The margin tells you how much value your product has for the buyer, and the volume tells you how many buyers are interested in your product-- the product tells you the total value of what you've introduced into the market.
 
I will buy the new iPhone every year regardless. It can be the tiniest update ever... like redesigned volume buttons only... and I'll buy it. Why? Because I can. It irritates me when people say "those who upgraded every year are wasting money". It's not your money. I might buy 2 out of pure spite
 
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I will buy the new iPhone every year regardless. It can be the tiniest update ever... like redesigned volume buttons only... and I'll buy it. Why? Because I can. It irritates me when people say "those who upgraded every year are wasting money". It's not your money. I might buy 2 out of pure spite
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The S7 only has one storage option. That's the real crime. Apple offers 3.

microSD, I can pay $30 for an EXTRA 64GB on top of the built in 32GB. Or $40 for 128GB. When will people realize Apple is artificially limiting storage on the base model to force people to upgrade to the higher end one to increase profit margins.

The base iPhone is aimed at people that need a phone and just choose the iPhone as fashion accessory. Anyone that uses the phone outside of calling/messaging goes for the 64G+ model. Samsung throws in the microSD slot for anyone that needs more advanced features/capacity.
 
There might never be an iPhone 7. The new iPhone SE might be a sign of things to come with the next iPhones dropping the number in favour of a name instead such as iPhone Air and iPhone Pro. It would make sense to drop the whole 6/6s two year design cycle in favour of smaller annual updates to both form and features to maintain sales momentum.

Exactly, Apple will need to visually tweak the iPhone every year, unless they're ready to face a significant sales slump with every iPhone that recycles a one-year-old design. In other words, the 6s may be the last of its kind. This year's iPhone will look different, next year's iPhone will look even more different, followed by another minor visual tweak in 2018. That would probably be the best option for Apple to maintain sales momentum at best and to avoid a really embarrassing sales slump at worst.
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I'm going to bet they will include Apple Pencil compatibility in the next iPhone Pro model this September. It makes so much more sense to do so since the Pencil is so frickin' awesome - this will really destroy the Note series from Samsung - at least be on the same level.

I'm having flashbacks right now to the time when I used my Palm and Handspring PDAs. I'm not sure if I want to go back in time. Then again, it's good to have options.
 
If the 5.8" curved iPhone comes out as a model in ADDITION to the would-be 5.5" iPhone 7s Plus, then the 2017 launch at least makes sense with the current tick-tock cycle that Apple has been doing since 2009. If the 5.8" curved iPhone REPLACES the 5.5" Plus phone in the line-up AND Apple is still doing the same tick-tock cycle otherwise, then that is sort of odd. That being said, Samsung's lineup has "Edge" equivalents for both the Galaxy S and Galaxy Note phones. The S cycle wouldn't be too odd of a time to introduce that kind of an addition to the line. But, again, if it was a flat out replacement design to the iPhone 7 Plus, that would be quite the deviation for the norm. Now, if the non-plus iPhone 7s otherwise followed tradition, then it could just be a sign that Apple is trying to boost sales of the larger phone given that the non-plus iPhone 6/6s outsells the plus iPhones 4 to 1. Then again, with the opportunity of being on a numerical cycle this year, they could just try to rectify that problem now.

tl;dr: I'm with MR on this one; the timing on this is weird.
 
Lol... Some people will defend Apple and their saintly business ethics to the death. You'll never convince them. Watch for it... The revolutionary curved screen will also be Apple's innovation even if other phones had it first. Just like NFC payments... Rebadge it as Apple Pay and the flock shall agree it's Apple's invention.
Quite a lot of people signed in just to criticize Apple in the last few days...
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Good reference link.
But a lot of people will keep speaking about something they clearly don't understand just for the sake of criticizing Apple... The move to ARMv8 was a bold move by Apple with the iPhone 5S, and a move that caught all the competitors unprepared for. They are still struggling to keep the pace Apple set.
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I'm with Max(IT) on this one. I personally won't buy anything but 128GB or higher these days, mostly because I have a lot of music and a few big apps that I don't want to compromise on. That's me though, and I don't think my personal use profile defines the market so precisely that companies shouldn't offer a product I personally wouldn't buy.

I also don't take video, and only a limited number of pictures. If I was like a lot of people and relied on streaming for my music and used my phone mostly for communications and accessing online services, then 16GB would probably suit me just fine.

I don't know the breakdown of sales between the different storage options, so I don't know if the majority are buying 16GB phones or not. The point really is that they don't have to-- there are other options out there. So even if a profitable minority were interested in buying the 16GB version, it is still worth selling-- and the fact that Apple continues offering them is pretty much proof that people want to buy them. You don't dominate the profit share of an industry by selling stuff people don't want. That is the excuse these companies have not to-- people are buying it.

In short, the 16GB device isn't being sold for you-- so stop complaining about it.

If you need more proof that a 16GB device is perfectly functional, look at this complaint:

B4U's company is perfectly happy buying them. B4U would personally like more storage, but assuming they work for a company that deserves to be in business, the company would make a different choice if they felt this decision was hurting their ability to operate.

And this is where I've long suspected the rage against 16GB comes from-- people who don't have the power to make their own purchase decisions. Their parents, or their company, are making the purchase decision and so the only way to get something different is if Apple didn't offer what they're currently being given. That's really the only environment in which this kind of attitude makes any sense at all-- the only time you should care if a company is selling something you don't want to use is if you're being forced to buy it.

Sure, there are a few out there taking the Socialist view that profits are a sin against the proletariat and Apple should be giving according to their ability while we take according to our needs-- but for the most part I think the complaints are the rage of the impotent.
Correct.
And don't get me wrong, please, I don't like their pricing policy and the fact they still sell 16 Gb phones (I would prefer a 32 Gb model, even if it wouldn't be enough for me and I'd buy the 64/128 Gb nevertheless).
I'm just saying that's futile to criticize them saying 16 Gb aren't enough for everyone, since I know people that are perfectly happy with 16 Gb.
Is just an easy excuse to spit further hate towards Apple on the forum...

Problem with my company is, those bean counters do not understand how we use our phones. Taking pictures and videos are like a daily job requirement, because if there is no pictures or videos, the issue did not happen (at least, according to our design team). And to make matter worse, the IT department do not allow us to use iTunes on our work computers to unload those files from the phone to the computer...
Like I have said before, I offered to pay for the difference out of my own pocket to buy more storage, but was told no.
The only other way around is to get the Galaxy S5 (shoot me first) or buy my own phone (they don't actually pay enough to cover this expense).
Please stop calling company 's manager, any company, "bean counters ", because that's exactly their job. A company isn't a tech enthusiast guy choosing his device. They have a budget and a board to report in.

You could have saved a heap of time by just saying you're an Apple lover. A16gb phone should be sold for $100 and aimed at children.
On this forum being an "Apple lover" should be quite normal, not an exception not an offense like people like you are assuming...
I am an apple lover, for sure. Otherwise I'd post on Android central....
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Hence, I am an engineer and not a bean counter...
They just can't seem to understand the math by considering how much of a time jack it is for us to deal with a piece of equipment that is insufficient to do the job. Labor cost is far greater than device cost.
A company need engineers AND bean counters, believe me (I'm an engineer and a manager too).
A company without bean counters would face bankruptcy in a very short time, following engineers path :D
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Nexus 6 is bsacially a large version of 2014 Moto X... A very large one... Lollipop was full of bug before 5.1 so that is that.

Nexus 5X is pretty much a redesigend Nexus 5 and price is pretty good. Nexus 6P is not so expensive, it is just 499, which is lower than iPhone. Consider for spec of Nexus 6P, the price is not too bad (although it cost 700 dollars here in Canada, pretty expensive here)

But before you jump to say Nexus 6 was expensive, take look at Nexus one, Nexus S and Galaxy Nexus. Those phone were pretty much expensive. It was only Nexus 4 started at lower price point.
Just take a look at nexus prices outside North America....
 
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If Apple does come out with a 5.8 in a small form factor with OLED I think we have to thank Samsung. I firmly believe that Apple was shocked at the quality and composition of the Galaxy S7 Edge. Apple's phones look retro now in comparison to the Galaxy line.
 
If Apple does come out with a 5.8 in a small form factor with OLED I think we have to thank Samsung. I firmly believe that Apple was shocked at the quality and composition of the Galaxy S7 Edge. Apple's phones look retro now in comparison to the Galaxy line.
i love how compact its the 5.5" s7 edge. i hope apple can do it, but how since we have touchid that is round?
 
If the 5.8" curved iPhone comes out as a model in ADDITION to the would-be 5.5" iPhone 7s Plus, then the 2017 launch at least makes sense with the current tick-tock cycle that Apple has been doing since 2009. If the 5.8" curved iPhone REPLACES the 5.5" Plus phone in the line-up AND Apple is still doing the same tick-tock cycle otherwise, then that is sort of odd. That being said, Samsung's lineup has "Edge" equivalents for both the Galaxy S and Galaxy Note phones. The S cycle wouldn't be too odd of a time to introduce that kind of an addition to the line. But, again, if it was a flat out replacement design to the iPhone 7 Plus, that would be quite the deviation for the norm. Now, if the non-plus iPhone 7s otherwise followed tradition, then it could just be a sign that Apple is trying to boost sales of the larger phone given that the non-plus iPhone 6/6s outsells the plus iPhones 4 to 1. Then again, with the opportunity of being on a numerical cycle this year, they could just try to rectify that problem now.

tl;dr: I'm with MR on this one; the timing on this is weird.

I think it's highly unlikely that:

1) Apple would sell a 5.5" and 5.8" iPhone with the same features at the same time. It's more likely that the 5.8" replaces the 5.5".

2) Apple wouldn't give the 4.7-5.0" iPhone the same design.

3) Apple would mark the tenth anniversary of the iPhone without something "special" and what better way of marking that than with a new iPhone design?
 
I can picture a ton of happy people
Getting Apple to get rid of the bezel is like getting them to build a bigger iPhone
 
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microSD, I can pay $30 for an EXTRA 64GB on top of the built in 32GB. Or $40 for 128GB. When will people realize Apple is artificially limiting storage on the base model to force people to upgrade to the higher end one to increase profit margins.

The base iPhone is aimed at people that need a phone and just choose the iPhone as fashion accessory. Anyone that uses the phone outside of calling/messaging goes for the 64G+ model. Samsung throws in the microSD slot for anyone that needs more advanced features/capacity.
The simple fact to use a crappy slow unreliable ancient SD card on a top notch smartphone is utterly ridiculous in my opinion.
You need storage, buy a 128 Gb iPhone... And in the future I think we'll see 256 Gb option.
 
I have yet to see any reason for them to implement a curved screen. I have seen zero benefit to any curved screen in existence, be it in a phone or, a TV or a monitor.

BECAUSE SAMSUNG DID IT is not a good reason.
So you dont think almost zero bezels is a good reason, have a look at a photo of the S7 Edge and 6s Plus side by side. Also being able to just pull up your most used apps while on the home screen isnt too bad either, not a real big deal but better than 3d touch.
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The simple fact to use a crappy slow unreliable ancient SD card on a top notch smartphone is utterly ridiculous in my opinion.
You need storage, buy a 128 Gb iPhone... And in the future I think we'll see 256 Gb option.
I know you might not believe it, but some people dont like throwing or giving their money away, even if you've got plenty why give it all to Apple.
 
Good job Apple, welcome to where Samsung was at several years ago. Maybe you could even go beyond the pathetic 16GB base model some time in the 2020's. But then again, why leave 2011 when you don't have to?

Soon Apple will catching up with Samsung's 3D Touch as well... oh, wait!
 
Imagine an iPhone with no bezels

Sharp (Aquos) made years before Samsung, who of course, just stole the idea and concept from Sharp. Bezelless phone and without speakers, instead glass vibrates as a speaker.

Sharp-Aquos-Crystal-front.jpg
 
Imagine an iPhone with no bezels
Do you use covers ? It wouldn't be practical without bezels. Plus I like a physical home button.
An iPhone with just reduced bezels would be better for me.
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Sharp (Aquos) made years before Samsung, who of course, just stole the idea and concept from Sharp. Bezelless phone and without speakers, instead glass vibrates as a speaker.

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Debatable, but I found that phone ugly as hell... Not to speak about a bottom placed front camera and sensors....
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I know you might not believe it, but some people dont like throwing or giving their money away, even if you've got plenty why give it all to Apple.
Some people don't like to throw money away and they still buy a $700 Samsung phone ? Well, pretty subjective...

I'm not regretting any cents I gave Apple for my iDevices.
64 Gb on both my iPad and my iPhone, about 30 Gb of free storage on both. I can't be happier about that.
 
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No matter what Apple is doing with the future iPhones, the hype is not worth it. It will always be overshadowed by business decisions that will make sure the product is not as good as it could have been, i.e. product differentiation and planned obsolescence.
 
microSD, I can pay $30 for an EXTRA 64GB on top of the built in 32GB. Or $40 for 128GB. When will people realize Apple is artificially limiting storage on the base model to force people to upgrade to the higher end one to increase profit margins.

The base iPhone is aimed at people that need a phone and just choose the iPhone as fashion accessory. Anyone that uses the phone outside of calling/messaging goes for the 64G+ model. Samsung throws in the microSD slot for anyone that needs more advanced features/capacity.

SD card is not the same. Never was. SD cards are like replaceable batteries. Someone complains about them, but no-one uses them.

How is Apple forcing you exactly? You ask yourself if 16 GB is enough for you if not you go for the next option if it's too expensive for you move to an alternative. If enough people feel that way i think things will change.

Just stop your ******** arguments
 
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microSD, I can pay $30 for an EXTRA 64GB on top of the built in 32GB. Or $40 for 128GB. When will people realize Apple is artificially limiting storage on the base model to force people to upgrade to the higher end one to increase profit margins.

The base iPhone is aimed at people that need a phone and just choose the iPhone as fashion accessory. Anyone that uses the phone outside of calling/messaging goes for the 64G+ model. Samsung throws in the microSD slot for anyone that needs more advanced features/capacity.

artificially ? You trying to say their deliberately do this to force uses to buy the better capacity if they need more storage and get more money from their users ?

U can say the same then about why they deliberately limit fixes for only newer OS's when u can clearly patch an older OS (Yosemite) but Apple would deliberately save this for a new OS rather than an release a fix for an outdated OS, then notify users "if u have problems upgrade to the latest OS." just to get more profit, and they can sing the bells as "how many users upgraded"

of course, it could all just be speculation however, and could be just competition.

Ya,, i have a grudge :D
 
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For all the expert opinions I've read so far....

I have a 16GB iPhone 5 (not 5s) and have been using it for a few years. It's fine. I still have 6GB of free space available (unused).

Sure, it would be "nice" to have a 32GB phone to store more crap, but it's hardly necessary. Anyone shooting 4K video on a freaking phone (on the new models) is kinda clueless anyway. Phones with more than 16GB of storage are for people who have hoarding problems or are youngsters that grew up in the terabyte era.

Does anyone here remember when a 2GB HD was the max size available for several years?

A 4GB drive was deemed "Pro".

Saying 16GB storage is good enough 2016 is just, sorry to say it, stupid.

You have 11,6GB free on a fresh iphone with 16GB storage.

And you claim you have 6GB free? This means that you:

1. Either have very little text conversation och delete frequently (Message + Whatsapp is 2,8GB on mine)
2. You take very small amount of pictures or remove them often (Photo takes 3GB on mine with icloud backup and optz)
3. You dont game
4. You have no heavy apps
5. You have few apps.

Congratulation, you are not the avarage customer.

Having to care about Storage on your Smartphone in 2016 is as fresh as having size limits on your e-mailbox......
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SD card is not the same. Never was. SD cards are like replaceable batteries. Someone complains about them, but no-one uses them.

How is Apple forcing you exactly? You ask yourself if 16 GB is enough for you if not you go for the next option if it's too expensive for you move to an alternative. If enough people feel that way i think things will change.

Just stop your ******** arguments

You have clearly not been using SD card recently.

Here is SD benchmark in the S7:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1ay8Ibez8OntSfLZRpqqaCOGRGvh7HxOY_Um9JYBz5_s/htmlview?pli=1#

Here is the NAND performance in the same testapp:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/10120/the-samsung-galaxy-s7-review/3

So SD card are a cheap expandable solution today with more than good enough performance.

And no one uses them? Stupid comment.
 
Saying 16GB storage is good enough 2016 is just, sorry to say it, stupid.

You have 11,6GB free on a fresh iphone with 16GB storage.

And you claim you have 6GB free? This means that you:

1. Either have very little text conversation och delete frequently (Message + Whatsapp is 2,8GB on mine)
2. You take very small amount of pictures or remove them often (Photo takes 3GB on mine with icloud backup and optz)
3. You dont game
4. You have no heavy apps
5. You have few apps.

Congratulation, you are not the avarage customer.

Having to care about Storage on your Smartphone in 2016 is as fresh as having size limits on your e-mailbox......
Stop call someone else comments as stupid since your aren't any better.
Said that, you have 12 Gb of free storage on a 16 Gb iPhone.
None of your "facts" are correct, based on my wife's experience.

1. She keep hundreds of texts and WhatsApp messages.
2. She have a reasonable amount of pictures on her iPhone, not thousands but surely hundreds and she use to optimize device storage, so she a few Gigabytes of photos in iCloud.
3. She has at least 4/5 games installed.
4. Who cares about heavy apps ? Everyone uses the app she needs.
5. She has the right number of apps installed. All the apps she needs.

Congratulations, you wrote a good amount of bs.

You have clearly not been using SD card recently.

Here is SD benchmark in the S7:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1ay8Ibez8OntSfLZRpqqaCOGRGvh7HxOY_Um9JYBz5_s/htmlview?pli=1#

Here is the NAND performance in the same testapp:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/10120/the-samsung-galaxy-s7-review/3

So SD card are a cheap expandable solution today with more than good enough performance.

And no one uses them? Stupid comment.
SD cards are crappy old storage solution I don't want on my top notch device.
We have a different concept of "good enough".
Btw Samsung implementation of SD card support is crappy at best.
 
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Here is SD benchmark in the S7:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1ay8Ibez8OntSfLZRpqqaCOGRGvh7HxOY_Um9JYBz5_s/htmlview?pli=1#

Here is the NAND performance in the same testapp:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/10120/the-samsung-galaxy-s7-review/3

So SD card are a cheap expandable solution today with more than good enough performance.

And no one uses them? Stupid comment.

Where do you people come from? This is ********* nothing more. On a phone if you can't have one continuous fast storage space it's not an option. Especially when it's sequential read/write. Have you tried to use it for random read/write? I have plenty of U3 cards at home. Tried to use it for Time Machine once. ONCE!


AND YES NO ONE USES THEM IN GRAND SCHEME OF THINGS.
 
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