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You do agree that there are consumers buying the 16 gb iPhone?

Yes. But it's not a free market. People don't have a choice.
It's a monopoly in which Apple alone dictates pricing and availability.

Look at the iPad Pro 9,7" "features".
People wAnt the same RAM and CPU, but the market Apple creates dictates what people order today.
 
I'm not convinced a curve screen is a good thing or not. It may look cool, but is it useful or will it just cause cases to be worthless and unintended touches to be read due to the just holding the phone? Plus, what's the use case? what real advantage does it bring other than looking cool? I'd be more impressed with longer battery life, a better speaker phone, and rock solid continuity features to manage content and back-ups on all my iOS and OSX devices.
 
I'm not convinced a curve screen is a good thing or not. It may look cool, but is it useful or will it just cause cases to be worthless and unintended touches to be read due to the just holding the phone? Plus, what's the use case? what real advantage does it bring other than looking cool? I'd be more impressed with longer battery life, a better speaker phone, and rock solid continuity features to manage content and back-ups on all my iOS and OSX devices.
One of Apple's original (nonfunctional) prototypes for the iPhone was a curved glass on both sides device. You can bet in the last nine years they have come up with some very specific use cases for that design.
 
Gosh, it's really disturbing that Toyota has a monopoly on Camry's, who do they think they are dictating pricing and availability like that?

Seriously? :rolleyes:

Now you got it. The problem with your example is that there are OTHER even more attractive alternatives, BUT if you want iOS you need to buy Apple's idea of a product line.

That's a textbook monopoly.

Why do you think that almost all people agree thar the Samsung Galaxy displays are worth having in 2017 while they are in fact sold today? Why do you think people would like water resistant iPhones?

They could have all of this today, but not with iOS and not from Apple.
If you don't see that, you are simply ignoring why Apple as of today can do whatever it wants.

Toyota can, too. But you can always buy a nice BMW and have no regrets.
 
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Just so you know....that was the whole point of my jesting post. I laugh whenever I see tech writers talk about "Android's Dominance"....what is the point of having more devices out there if you're struggling to make money off them? Who in the world wants to devote resources to on a generation old device for updates/maintenance when you're constantly in a race to pump out a new one to keep profits floating...barely.

I really don't understand the Android business model other than another data collection vector for advertisers.
It's not an Android business model--Android is not a company. It's OEM manufactuers; Samsung, HTC, Moto, Sony, etc., who rely on Google's OS to power their fleets of devices. In similar fashion, if Apple offered a proprietary yet opensource OS to these same companies, no doubt there'd be tons of competing devices out there running all versions of iOS.
 
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It's not an Android business model--Android is not a company. It's OEM manufactuers; Samsung, HTC, Moto, Sony, etc., who rely on Google's OS to power their fleets of devices. In similar fashion, if Apple offered a non-proprietary and opensource OS, there'd be tons of devices out there running all versions of iOS. (
Thanks. And this is exactly why Apple is able to sell the iPhone with the lineup today.
That's all I'm saying for the last 30 minutes.
 
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Now you got it. The problem with your example is that there are OTHER even more attractive alternatives, BUT if you want iOS you need to buy Apple's idea of a product line.

That's a textbook monopoly.

Why do you think that almost all people agree thar the Samsung Galaxy displays are worth having in 2017 while they are in fact sold today? Why do you think people would like water resistant iPhones?

They could have all of this today, but not with iOS and not from Apple.
If you don't see that, you are simply ignoring why Apple as of today can do whatever it wants.

Toyota can, too. But you can always buy a nice BMW and have no regrets.
You can always buy a ****ing Android device, a Windows device, hell a BlackBerry if you want. You're delusional if you state that Apple has a monopoly. The argument that iOS is monopolized by Apple is exactly my statement on Camry's. Your argument is that a company has a monopoly on their own product. IF you want a Camry, you HAVE to get a toyota.

You can't narrow down the car/cell phone industries to one exact model and then whine about it. You're just being obtuse.
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It's not an Android business model--Android is not a company. It's OEM manufactuers; Samsung, HTC, Moto, Sony, etc., who rely on Google's OS to power their fleets of devices. In similar fashion, if Apple offered a non-proprietary and opensource OS to these same companies, no doubt there'd be tons of competing devices out there running all versions of iOS.
Android itself is part of a business model, that's all I was getting at. If it wasn't a vector to filter advertising data to Google, why in the world would Google be investing in developing the platform? Android isn't developed from the goodness of Google's heart so the Samsung/LG/Xiami's of the world can make money.
 
Both edges are curved, you can change from left to right hand, this is Samsung and Android, not restricted Apple and IOS. I can't wait to see my Samsung phone with an Apple logo on it in around 2 or 3 years time, of course naturally I'll have a 3D screen by then because I don't follow Apple blindly.
Especially since they are calling my iPad Air old tech.
That's the reason it's practically garbage to me and many others...

You won't see any samsung phone with an Apple logo in the next 2-3 years: Apple is just way better in making smartphones
 
Do you use covers ? It wouldn't be practical without bezels. Plus I like a physical home button.
An iPhone with just reduced bezels would be better for me.
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Debatable, but I found that phone ugly as hell... Not to speak about a bottom placed front camera and sensors....
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Some people don't like to throw money away and they still buy a $700 Samsung phone ? Well, pretty subjective...

I'm not regretting any cents I gave Apple for my iDevices.
64 Gb on both my iPad and my iPhone, about 30 Gb of free storage on both. I can't be happier about that.
If it had come with 16gb I wouldn't even have looked at it let alone buy it in 2016.
 
Now you got it. The problem with your example is that there are OTHER even more attractive alternatives, BUT if you want iOS you need to buy Apple's idea of a product line.

That's a textbook monopoly.

Why do you think that almost all people agree thar the Samsung Galaxy displays are worth having in 2017 while they are in fact sold today? Why do you think people would like water resistant iPhones?

They could have all of this today, but not with iOS and not from Apple.
If you don't see that, you are simply ignoring why Apple as of today can do whatever it wants.

Toyota can, too. But you can always buy a nice BMW and have no regrets.
It's not a monopoly when there's other mobile devices and platforms available to the consumer. As you stated, Toyota versus BMW. Apple offering a desirable OS that is limited to its own devices does not make it a monopoly. (More likely a metaphorical monopoly, perhaps?) At the end of the day it's called captialism.
 
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I don't think Apple should abandon the 16GB model but they need to provide all ranges of storage and not just limit a phone or pad to just 16 or 64. Apple should have this for all iPads and iPhones. This allows the consumer to choose what they want. - 16GB 32GB 64GB 128GB 256GB - There is no reason all these sizes can't exist especially with Apple soldering in the space and not allowing any pop in storage cards. I don't like how Apple only offers 16 or 64 it makes no sense.
There is very good reason not to offer more than three different storage size options, even more so since the chips are soldered in and can't be replaced without exchanging the whole phone. And when you buy an older or budget phone to save money, it makes no sense to pay more for the biggest storage option. That's why there is no 128GB option for some devices.

16GB = less than what most people want
64GB = not too much and not too little for most people
128GB = more than what most people want
 
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It's not a monopoly when there's other mobile devices and platforms available to you the consumer. Just because Apple offers a desirable product and/or service only available on their own devices does not make it a monopoly. Its called captialism.

Apple has a monopoly on iOS. If you want iOS you need to buy Apple.
Toyota has a monopoly on whatever model they make.

That's all fine. I'm not arguing about that.
 
That's the reason it's practically garbage to me and many others...

You won't see any samsung phone with an Apple logo in the next 2-3 years: Apple is just way better in making smartphones
Is that why Apple buys most of their parts from Samsung so it can make a decent phone. If you guys hate Samsung so much why do you buy Apple, it's basically a Samsung phone, I know, they're trying to break away, but they keep going back.
If you hate Samsung buy LG or Sony.
 
Curved display?? I hope it is not so gimmickish as the Samsung ones. Guess I ll be sticking with my 6 for another year. It is not slow I would say, especially after I turned on "Reduce Motion" pane.
 
So I guess I'll hold on to my 6s until next year.
The thing is the iPhone 7 is a design change, unless Apple wants to keep it that way like the iPads. Then obviously next year is the 7S which has identical design from previous model. The good news is your iPhone 6S still a very capable phone 3 years down the road. You might wanna hold it off until until 8S and that is a completely different hardware. New hardware but much better OS, because by that time developers has supported the curve screen. I can only imagine few of the stock apps supports the curve screen for at least 1 year, the rest of the developers are just experimenting.
 
Is that why Apple buys most of their parts from Samsung so it can make a decent phone. If you guys hate Samsung so much why do you buy Apple, it's basically a Samsung phone, I know, they're trying to break away, but they keep going back.
If you hate Samsung buy LG or Sony.
Samsung is a top tier component maker, no one is denying that. But an electronic device is far more than just the components (hell, Samsung doesn't even make most of the components in the device).
 
I prefer the kevlar fabric design of the Moto Droid Razr. The phone feels completely solid and I can remove the back with a thumbnail. Glass is nice to look through. Not so great to hold.
 
Yes. But it's not a free market. People don't have a choice.
It's a monopoly in which Apple alone dictates pricing and availability.

Look at the iPad Pro 9,7" "features".
People wAnt the same RAM and CPU, but the market Apple creates dictates what people order today.
reality check: Apple doesn't dictate anything.
Stop pretending to speak for "the people": you are speaking for yourself.
And even a geek forum isn't "people" ....
 
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Apple has a monopoly on iOS. If you want iOS you need to buy Apple.
Toyota has a monopoly on whatever model they make.

That's all fine. I'm not arguing about that.
I 100% get your point. However, if you wanted to get technical in a business sense, Apple holds a strictly patented OS as their closed and proprietary software. It doesn't mean that it's a monopoly in the truest sense of the term.
 
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Is that why Apple buys most of their parts from Samsung so it can make a decent phone. If you guys hate Samsung so much why do you buy Apple, it's basically a Samsung phone, I know, they're trying to break away, but they keep going back.
If you hate Samsung buy LG or Sony.

Most of thier parts? You need to stop making things up.

The only Samsung component in my iPhone 6s Plus Is the dram chip. That's it.
Smh
 
If all he/she needs is 10-20 apps and 16 GB is enough then it's what they buy. WTF is your problem.
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Well 16 GB is the best seller, so yes, probably she does represent.

I have now 128GB on iPhone 6S, but 16GB was also quite plenty for my needs, to be honest. If you don't install large games, you can install almost 50 normal apps in same space.
 
Samsung is a top tier component maker, no one is denying that. But an electronic device is far more than just the components (hell, Samsung doesn't even make most of the components in the device).
I don't know what the breakdown is any more, but they certainly made most of the important parts not that long ago.
I know a phone is more than just the parts, so why does Apple build them in cheap Chinese sweatshops, you'd think they would lovingly craft them in Germany or even America, they're always saying they're not in it for the money, but somehow that doesn't add up does it.
 
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