Apple May Launch 5.8-Inch OLED iPhone With Curved Glass Casing and Screen in 2017

This argument is absurd from top to bottom.

Apple is unable to charge above normal profit margins-- if they did, their product wouldn't sell. If the product is selling, then they've priced it correctly. That is the why tracking Apple profits is relevant-- not because we're making that money but because it's an indication that they are selling at the correct price for the market. That is simply a fact of business.

This Socialist idea that Apple has been successful in the market and should give free NAND to the people for the betterment of society is not how the world works aside from a few, small, failing countries.

Cars and houses aside, what other products you listed do you negotiate? More over, how many of those product did you successfully negotiate down by arguing with people who have no control over the price? You mention grocery prices-- have you successfully changed the price of milk by complaining over and over on some BovineRumors.com site? Do you spend your days complaining that one brand sells a 16 slice loaf of bread when their competitor doesn't offer anything less that twice that number?

I can't speak for others, but personally I'm tired of having these forums hijacked with constant complaints-- especially when it is the same complaint no matter what the subject is meant to be. This was an article about a potential curved glass AMOLED display, and it's gone on for pages and pages about whether Apple should be selling something you don't want to buy.

It's not about defending Apple, it's about being tired of the same conversation thread after thread with all the same lack of information. Complaining to me isn't going to change Apple's product offering. I'm tired of hearing it. I don't want a 16GB phone, but I don't see a reason they shouldn't sell one. You like your Samsung-- great, more power to you. I'm glad you have a device that fits your needs. For everything you say about what's wrong with Apple and what's great about Samsung, however, you have to view it in the context that Samsung is doing everything they can to stay alive in a market that Apple is dominating-- that's not a point of pride, that's a fact of the market.

Aaaaaand another misses the point, as expected. Again, let me say it for the nth time, Apple apologists ruin it for everyone else. You have nobody but Samsung to thank for your bigger screens, upcoming flexible AMOLED screens, and the AMOLED display in the Apple watch. Apple on their own won't do squat to give the consumer better value. There are simply way too many loyalist that keep buying whatever they spew. Its like whatever apple offers in storage size or screen size, it's just what the loyalist wanted. As if saying a base storage size of 32 GB was something completely unreasonable on a flagship device. How can anyone accept 16 GB base for the price Apple is asking. It has nothing to do with what YOU want/need personally. It has everything to do with value and reasonable expectations from a flagship phone at a flagship price. As for being able to negotiate a price for milk? That wasn't the point. The point was, do you as a consumer complain about prices of other products? I'm sure you do. But when it comes to Apple, the loyalist have absolutely no complaints for what they get at Apples prices. If you're a consumer that doesn't think Apple is some untouchable mythical being, it's a reasonable thing to say, Apple is overpriced for the hardware you get. The apologists just can't bring themselves to make a single criticism, no matter how reasonable, of Apple. Such an illogical position.
 
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  1. Others have a feature and you don’t because company A isn’t ready. So you can’t get involved.
  2. Company A implements said feature anyway and then improves upon it with their new method when time/technology allows.
I think non-technical users would be much better served by not having functionality at all, than having the functionality poorly implemented.

Case in point: Some Android phones had LTE much earlier than iPhone, but they suffered for terrible battery life. I would say iPhone users were better served by waiting maybe a year to get LTE:
 
I think non-technical users would be much better served by not having functionality at all, than having the functionality poorly implemented.

Case in point: Some Android phones had LTE much earlier than iPhone, but they suffered for terrible battery life. I would say iPhone users were better served by waiting maybe a year to get LTE:

Like Apple's iPad with Retina Display? The one they had to refresh 6 months later due to performance issues? ;)
 
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By eliminating the bezel, Apple can increase the screen sizes of the whole lineup by 0.3'' while maintaining the physical size of the device. I think that is probably why we have 5.8'' here, and the other two will be 4.3'' and 5.0''.

Good points.

I would vote for smaller phones instead of larger screen sizes though. I'd love to see a 4 inch iPhone in a 3.5 inch case. I'm hoping someone in a executive position decides to make the smallest, premium phone they can. I'd love to see the market go that way but I'm not holding my breath. Until then the SE will be a nice replacement for my 5.
 
I think non-technical users would be much better served by not having functionality at all, than having the functionality poorly implemented.

Case in point: Some Android phones had LTE much earlier than iPhone, but they suffered for terrible battery life. I would say iPhone users were better served by waiting maybe a year to get LTE:

Or you know, include it and give people the option to disable it when battery is more important (say when traveling or know you'd be away from an outlet, or when there's no LTE coverage). But I guess choice isn't really 'hip'.
 
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You don't think it cost more to manufacture a curved screen from a flat screen.
What does it matter how much it costs to produce something? The individual customer decides if there is value in a feature and if on average customers are not willing to pay more it isn't worth more. Curved screen could even be less valuable, because a lot of people don't like image distortion.
Ok, how about a cutting edge 2K flexible AMOLED display over a 1080P old tech flat LCD, 4GB over 2Gb of Ram, or 32Gb over 16GB bar storage?
That are all just specs and priced is only the complete product. One missing feature (like iOS) can devalue the rest of the phone. An iPhone with a cracked screen might sale for more than a new Galaxy, the market decides.
How about the cost comparison of those FACTS? That in itself has worth.
Costs are worth nothing. If nobody pays for your hard work than you've worked for free. I will never buy a Samsung phone, but some people do. So I suggest, you go to Android Central and ask them how much they think a phone with a curved screen should cost?!
 
And so ? Who cares ? It still runs Android....

Millions of people care and chose it over iOS and the iPhone. Imagine that, people like something that you don't.
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I'm quite tired of people saying "you don't know Samsung and Android"...
I'm using android since 1.5, and being "forced" to use Samsung's products (smartphones and tablets) due to an arrangement in my organization.... plus, being a tech enthusiast, I bought several Google products just to give them a try (Nexus 5 and Nexus 7) .... So YES, I definitely know Android and Samsung better than most of the supporters here. And that reinforced my bad opinion about it.
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Samsung released 32 Gb so full of crapware that it was basically the same ....
And , again, keep speaking about SD Cards just make me laugh more.
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That's absolutely the point.
Could you imagine me posting on Android central how the "shiny" S7 throttles like hell after 20 minutes of gaming ?
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And exactly where did you read that ???
The common sense here is: ok, we hope Apple will do that in a better way than Samsung's gimmick edge model.


Priceless. And soon you'll be touting the advantages of a curved OLED screen.
 
Aaaaaand another misses the point, as expected. Again, let me say it for the nth time, Apple apologists ruin it for everyone else. You have nobody but Samsung to thank for your bigger screens, upcoming flexible AMOLED screens, and the AMOLED display in the Apple watch. Apple on their own won't do squat to give the consumer better value. There are simply way too many loyalist that keep buying whatever they spew. Its like whatever apple offers in storage size or screen size, it's just what the loyalist wanted. As if saying a base storage size of 32 GB was something completely unreasonable on a flagship device. How can anyone accept 16 GB base for the price Apple is asking. It has nothing to do with what YOU want/need personally. It has everything to do with value and reasonable expectations from a flagship phone at a flagship price. As for being able to negotiate a price for milk? That wasn't the point. The point was, do you as a consumer complain about prices of other products? I'm sure you do. But when it comes to Apple, the loyalist have absolutely no complaints for what they get at Apples prices. If you're a consumer that doesn't think Apple is some untouchable mythical being, it's a reasonable thing to say, Apple is overpriced for the hardware you get. The apologists just can't bring themselves to make a single criticism, no matter how reasonable, of Apple. Such an illogical position.
So which is it? Is it the base phone you're complaining about, or the flagship-- because it sure sounds like you're conflating the two...

I think you're mischaracterizing my point pretty severely here. I still carry an iPhone 5. Not a 5s, an original 5 purchased almost 4 years ago. Nothing since then has enticed me to purchase again. I don't care for the larger screen of the 6 series, and Apple hasn't made a 128GB phone in the form factor I care about.

I influence Apple in the way that works-- my purchase pattern-- not by spamming unaffiliated websites with endless drivel about how their phone is 7% too expensive. I don't fool myself into thinking that my opinion is going to have an outsized effect on society. I'm one person, issuing one tiny little price signal in a market of millions. Are you hoping that by trying to turn every conversation on these forums into a cry session about a phone you don't want that you're going to lead a global revolt against the hegemon? That would be a remarkable feat of self delusion...

What I purchase has everything to do with what I want and need personally. The same should go for you-- that's how the free market is intended to work. The difference here is that I know that what I want and need doesn't define the market, you seem to be under a different impression. Further, I'm dissatisfied that Apple doesn't make something I want but assume the demand just isn't there while you appear dissatisfied that Apple makes something you don't want and deny all evidence that the demand exists. It's that second point of view that I simply can't get my head around. I don't want a 16GB iPhone, but I have no problem with the fact that one exists. You seem to think that since you don't want it, nobody else should either and if they do it's because they're fools.

I have no issue with people wishing the phones were less expensive-- the points I specifically take issue with are the silly things people wrap their arguments in to make them sound like more than a child wanting another chocolate. "It's all a scam to make us buy higher end phones but then we buy the low end anyway because we're not going to fall for the trick but it was actually a double trick and now people are unhappy with their decisions." "Competition is good in a free market, but making money is bad." "The market is about more than your personal wants and needs, so you shouldn't want or need the thing that I wish Apple didn't sell."

The issue I took with your earlier post was the weird claim that Apple is charging too much and somehow those of us that don't have a problem with the product mix take personal pride in Apple's profits. That's wrong. Apple is so far the best in the business at finding the right price for the right products, and their profit is merely supporting evidence for that statement. That doesn't mean your Samsung isn't the right answer for you, it just means you're not representative of the global market just as the lack of a 128GB SE means I'm not representative of the global market.

Maybe that will change, and Apple's star will fall and you can pretend that you saw it coming all along just like that broken clock on my wall always knew that at some point it would happen to be 3:27.
 
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If you could document the productivity hit that the smaller device memory is causing, you might be able to convince the counters that they're losing beans. Accountants are data driven people, they just need the data presented in a form they can digest.

The downside might be that they decide to stop offering iPhone as an option, unless you can also show that Apple device provides productivity advantages beyond Android to justify the $100-- and that's going to be harder to demonstrate than a photos per GB argument. The upside is that if enough companies stop buying 16GB iPhones, Apple might see a reason to change.
Must include the time jack calculation to present the case...
 
Must include the time jack calculation to present the case...
Shouldn't be that hard really. If the fully loaded cost of an engineer is $100k (including payroll taxes, healthcare, benefits, etc-- will vary depending on region so I'm picking an easy number) and they work 40 hours a week for 50 weeks of the year, then they're getting paid about $50 an hour. If the phone is replaced every 2 years and you can show it saves more than an hour per year (or 2 minutes a week) then you've made a case: they're saving $100 on the phone but paying more than $100 in extra engineering time.

The more time you can argue the phone is costing you, the better the case.
 
So which is it? Is it the base phone you're complaining about, or the flagship-- because it sure sounds like you're conflating the two...

I think you're mischaracterizing my point pretty severely here. I still carry an iPhone 5. Not a 5s, an original 5 purchased almost 4 years ago. Nothing since then has enticed me to purchase again. I don't care for the larger screen of the 6 series, and Apple hasn't made a 128GB phone in the form factor I care about.

I influence Apple in the way that works-- my purchase pattern-- not by spamming unaffiliated websites with endless drivel about how their phone is 7% too expensive. I don't fool myself into thinking that my opinion is going to have an outsized effect on society. I'm one person, issuing one tiny little price signal in a market of millions. Are you hoping that by trying to turn every conversation on these forums into a cry session about a phone you don't want that you're going to lead a global revolt against the hegemon? That would be a remarkable feat of self delusion...

What I purchase has everything to do with what I want and need personally. The same should go for you-- that's how the free market is intended to work. The difference here is that I know that what I want and need doesn't define the market, you seem to be under a different impression. Further, I'm dissatisfied that Apple doesn't make something I want but assume the demand just isn't there while you appear dissatisfied that Apple makes something you don't want and deny all evidence that the demand exists. It's that second point of view that I simply can't get my head around. I don't want a 16GB iPhone, but I have no problem with the fact that one exists. You seem to think that since you don't want it, nobody else should either and if they do it's because they're fools.

I have no issue with people wishing the phones were less expensive-- the points I specifically take issue with are the silly things people wrap their arguments in to make them sound like more than a child wanting another chocolate. "It's all a scam to make us buy higher end phones but then we buy the low end anyway because we're not going to fall for the trick but it was actually a double trick and now people are unhappy with their decisions." "Competition is good in a free market, but making money is bad." "The market is about more than your personal wants and needs, so you shouldn't want or need the thing that I wish Apple didn't sell."

The issue I took with your earlier post was the weird claim that Apple is charging too much and somehow those of us that don't have a problem with the product mix take personal pride in Apple's profits. That's wrong. Apple is so far the best in the business at finding the right price for the right products, and their profit is merely supporting evidence for that statement. That doesn't mean your Samsung isn't the right answer for you, it just means you're not representative of the global market just as the lack of a 128GB SE means I'm not representative of the global market.

Maybe that will change, and Apple's star will fall and you can pretend that you saw it coming all along just like that broken clock on my wall always knew that at some point it would happen to be 3:27.

LOL, oh I see. The 16 GB iPhone is not considered a flagship phone. Got it. Better tell all the 16GB purchasers they don't carry a flagship device. Hilarious as it is pointless to carry on this discussion. Sometimes logic simply can't be passed on.
 
LOL, oh I see. The 16 GB iPhone is not considered a flagship phone. Got it. Better tell all the 16GB purchasers they don't carry a flagship device. Hilarious as it is pointless to carry on this discussion. Sometimes logic simply can't be passed on.
Especially if it comes after the first paragraph...
 
Well that would be me then. Do me a favour do a Google search, if you know what that is, for S7 Edge vs 6S Plus and go to images and look at them side by side.
Also look at S7 Edge reviews.

lol yeah I do know what that is, it looks like ****
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What kind of taste would a SQUARE watch be then? :eek:

The watch is different because of it's small form factor, HOWEVER, the entire apple watch itself is pretty awful
 
The point is that some want an iOS based device with similar properties of a Samsung flagship device.
All the heated arguments presented here are caused by the lack of availability of such a device.
I might still like all of you, regardless.
 
All the talk is Apple doing away with headphone jack and you're suggesting they replace the headphone jack with a Pencil slot ... that's hilarious. I guess the Apple fanboys would accept that cause Apple would make the slot better / nicer than Samsung has, huh?

You have a very strange sense of humour if you think my comment was "hilarious". I didn't suggest anything. I said they could not they should. I'm assuming you know the difference. I don't see anything wrong with adding an smaller Apple Pencil designed for the iPhone, although I don't think they would ever add a slot on the iPhone to accommodate it.
 
Shouldn't be that hard really. If the fully loaded cost of an engineer is $100k (including payroll taxes, healthcare, benefits, etc-- will vary depending on region so I'm picking an easy number) and they work 40 hours a week for 50 weeks of the year, then they're getting paid about $50 an hour. If the phone is replaced every 2 years and you can show it saves more than an hour per year (or 2 minutes a week) then you've made a case: they're saving $100 on the phone but paying more than $100 in extra engineering time.

The more time you can argue the phone is costing you, the better the case.
Got to get past my manager first though. :)
The company has over 200,000 employees and not easy to get things escalated. :(
 
You are totally wrong, why, because you don't have the S7 like I do, the case doesn't cover the Edge, not even a tiny bit.
The main reason I bought the S7 Edge, is size, compared to 6s Plus it's way smaller and lighter with same screen size. The Edge is pretty handy as well just a quick swipe from the side and you can have whatever you want there, contacts, apps, weather, whatever.

Actually it really demolishes the Plus in nearly all departments as well, just the camera alone makes it nearly worth buying just for that, it's almost impossible to take a bad photo it's that fast.

I was actually going to buy the Note 5, but I noticed a lady with the S7 Edge, it was love at first sight, I just had to buy it after that, the phone I mean.
 
Resurrect the 3.5" iPhone 4 dimensions! The 5/5s and 6/6s (not to mention the Plus!) are all considerably less ergonomic, and come on! My hands are in the 99% of Human dimensions. Think bezel-less screen and you'd still have plenty of screen size for those who think the 3.5" screen was too small. I'm talking about the overall phone dimensions in height, because I know the thinness of an iTouch is what we all desire. However, considering ergonomics, I miss the one handed device of the iPhone4/ 4s. Now, they all almost require two hands, and my thumb can't reach the top of the 5se without uncomfortable posture. Whoops, dropped it again! So, I was excited when the rumor was kicking about that they might reconsider the ol' iPhone 4 industrial design, with its dual glass sandwich and exposed antenna style.
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Naturally, a lot of Samsung/Android fans who have heard for years how "specs don't matter" (the ever genius Qbnkelt brings it up in this very thread), OLED is a gimmick with less accurate colors (may have been true in 2k11, even though this technology has been in development since the mid 80's), curved screen is a useless, flashy Samsung marketing gimmick, large screens are for idiots who want to look like they're "Talking to a piece of toast (Walt Mossberg re: Note 2), and the list goes on. So, yes, when we see headlines talking about Apple releasing HUGE 5.8 inch phone with dual edge curved screen, we wonder how things have so suddenly changed and all of the things previously hated on Android devices are now amazing when Apple copies them... indeed, we wonder.
Don't forget there is more than one Apple user. When we start breaking the world in to Apple Fans and Android Fans, it's easy to assume each group is homogenous and speaks with one voice-- that's not usually the case. Very often when it feels like someone is contradicting themselves it turns out to be two different people with some views in common and others not.

I, for example, still hate huge screens and I'm not entirely sold on curved glass. The big screens, I think, are mostly aimed at a market that isn't me (where the phone is the primary computing device). Curved glass, I think, is mostly an attempt to bring variety to a form factor that's becoming stale for all vendors. I don't get religious about component technologies-- when OLED had fading, burn in, and blue color issues I was glad not to be using it, but if Apple thinks it meets their quality requirements, I'm willing to trust them on it. I have a gut reaction against conspiracy theories about design decisions-- I don't think Apple avoided OLED because they were trying to line their pockets with kids lunch money, I think it didn't meet whatever design criteria they were interested in while Samsung had different goals.

Technologies and the tradeoffs with them change over time, and peoples opinions along with them-- but if it feels like a sudden 180 then you're probably talking to different people.
 
Haha, I don't why this made me laugh.

On a side note, the amount of hate Apple gets on an Apple fan site is astonishing, to say the least. I would think Apple products would sell considerably worse than they do now due to this. But, thankfully Apple is doing fine even with all this hate. *mind blown*
You do realise that Apple is a big giant international company that gouges people more than just about any other company. Why on earth would you feel bad when people rightfully attack the company for all kinds of missteps and overpricing tactics.

It's a company not a church or benevolent society, they don't care about you, if they did they would sell most of their products for way less than they do.
 
2017! WTF Apple?
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Anyone else think it's odd they'd do a major design overhaul in time for the 7S, but not for the 7?

I know they might not have it 'ready' but come on, this is Apple. Reality Distortion Field represent 2016.
No doubt the next phone update will be a 6SE.
 
Don't forget there is more than one Apple user. When we start breaking the world in to Apple Fans and Android Fans, it's easy to assume each group is homogenous and speaks with one voice-- that's not usually the case. Very often when it feels like someone is contradicting themselves it turns out to be two different people with some views in common and others not.

I, for example, still hate huge screens and I'm not entirely sold on curved glass. The big screens, I think, are mostly aimed at a market that isn't me (where the phone is the primary computing device). Curved glass, I think, is mostly an attempt to bring variety to a form factor that's becoming stale for all vendors. I don't get religious about component technologies-- when OLED had fading, burn in, and blue color issues I was glad not to be using it, but if Apple thinks it meets their quality requirements, I'm willing to trust them on it. I have a gut reaction against conspiracy theories about design decisions-- I don't think Apple avoided OLED because they were trying to line their pockets with kids lunch money, I think it didn't meet whatever design criteria they were interested in while Samsung had different goals.

Technologies and the tradeoffs with them change over time, and peoples opinions along with them-- but if it feels like a sudden 180 then you're probably talking to different people.
Just because you have a big screen on a phone doesn't mean it's your only computing device, it is more likely means that you are using the phone like a SMARTphone rather than a feature phone.
If the world had to wait for Apple to innovate we'd still be using a 3.5 screen, thank god for Samsung, HTC, Sony and other innovative companies. About the only thing Apple is good at is thinner.
 
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