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Exaggerated, but some truth to it. The drivers all love their cars though. On the upside you can take a chance on an American car and be no better off other than they have been building cars with these issues since the 70’s.
It's been well documented that Tesla cut coroners almost any way they could when building these cars. I've rented plenty, and owned one... I would never buy another.

If you need proof of poor build quality:


And this is just one embarrassing article. You can thumbs down my comment and disagree all you like, that's fine it's your choice. But... facts are facts.

And let's just be perfectly clear here... if someone were to open a Mac Pro that cost over 6k and found Home Depot grade fake wood as a spacer for something... Apple would be roasted in the comment section. It's not acceptable to cobble together ANYTHING because of your rush to make sales. Especially something as large as a vehicle that could very easily cause an accident resulting in the death of another person.
 
I don’t have a Tesla, but just out of curiosity, rather than paying for premium connectivity, can you just hotspot your phone? Or is that not a thing in Tesla’s?
Yep, you can connect to Wifi on your phone from the car and everything works.

The only downside is the car might try to download a multi-gigabyte map update over your phone hotspot...
 
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Well, now Mr. Tim Cook can drive around his Tesla with playing Apple Music. So.. there's that. One more happy person in this beautiful world :p
According to “the internet” Tim Cook currently drives a BMW 5 series, and has a Porsche Boxster in his garage… however rather than a Tesla, I suspect he’ll be driving an Apple Car w/ CarPlay not too many years from now... 😉
 
Musk was using it as a bargaining chip for Twitter ads.

I’m not sure there’s any nexus between Apple ads and Car Play.

But thinking that through Tim Cook is back up on his tightrope of deception. Virtuous to pause advertisements but virtue be damned when money is on the table in Tesla.
 
Yep, you can connect to Wifi on your phone from the car and everything works.

The only downside is the car might try to download a multi-gigabyte map update over your phone hotspot...
I mean, if you can afford the car, there's a good chance you can afford 10 bucks a month for the data plan. Also--if you hotspot, you won't get satellite maps--that's exclusive to the monthly LTE service.
 
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While $99 may not break the bank, why spend $99 you don't have to?
Because it’s a far better experience than tethering to your phone? I’m guessing you also buy the Wi-Fi iPad “because you can just tether?” 🤦🏻‍♂️

By the way, add your Tesla’s MAC address to your xfinity account to get the car to connect to the millions of xfinity hotspots. At some point Tesla will even allow you to “connect while driving” to the xfinity hotspots. 👍🏻
 
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I can’t do a car without CarPlay. GM is soon going to release several electric cars with glorious CarPlay built in. Tesla better get it together.
 
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I can’t do a car without CarPlay. GM is soon going to release several electric cars with glorious CarPlay built in. Tesla better get it together.
Other than Apple Maps, what’s wrong with the Tesla UI? Now that it has Apple Music, everything else can be done on the Tesla UI, including text messaging, etc.
 
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I can’t do a car without CarPlay. GM is soon going to release several electric cars with glorious CarPlay built in. Tesla better get it together.

When all you’re used to are things like Cadillac CUE or MBUX or any of the other OEM displays, I agree with you. It appears necessary.

Tesla hits different. Not only is CarPlay unnecessary, but you realize how limiting it is.
 
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When all you’re used to are things like Cadillac CUE or MBUX or any of the other OEM displays, I agree with you. It appears necessary.

Tesla hits different. Not only is CarPlay unnecessary, but you realize how limiting it is.
MBUX is actually quite good. Also has built in Apple Music and other services if you don’t want to use CarPlay, though CarPlay is still an option.

Cue, now that’s a hot steaming pile of garbage. I think even Sync4 is better than Cue.
 
10 bucks a month for a data plan feels about right ... sorta roughly the same price as an AppleWatch data plan...
at least they arent charging a 30% fee on top your Apple Music subscription.
 
Please enlighten me. What other way would have been an option? As long as Apple doesn't provide the App, there is nothing else they can do.
Look up "MusicKit" vs "Music Kit on the web"
Apple called MusicKit integration with Mercedes as "native experience"

Hope you are now enlightened!
 
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10 bucks a month for a data plan feels about right ... sorta roughly the same price as an AppleWatch data plan...
Honestly I'd keep paying the $10/month for the amazing amount of software improvements they've continued to provide. Had my Model 3 for exactly three years. So much functional and UI improvement has been delivered to my car (free of charge) since they day I bought it.
 
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I bought my daughters 2 loaded, 2022 Hyundai Konas this year. Bluelink comes included for 2 years (I think) but then you have to pay for it (and I will). I've owned my Model S for 7 years and I don't have to pay Tesla to use the app to control my car. I think you're going to find an increase over time of the paid services offered (required?) by car manufacturers, all in the name of "value add". I also had to pay Acura for a software update in my 2018 MDX. I've never paid Tesla for updates. I'm not here to defend Tesla, but let's be real about what other manufacturers do and do not charge for. Lastly, the TCO of my Model S compared to the high end BMWs I owned previously is dramatically lower.
Tesla sells an radio update for your old model S 🙄
 
As much as Tesla's ahead of everyone else in the car industry, not having Apple Music, CarPlay and Android Auto kinda feels backwards, no matter how good and technological the interface is.
They're actually behind in most aspects.

Range, charging, features, build quality, reliability, cabin and ride quality, etc.
 
Can confirmed. Drove one for a week. Not mine thank goodness.

My budget French turd is better put together.

Also I had Apple Music on it for at least 5 years already 🤣

Edit: offended 2 Tesla owners so far :)
Peugeot, Renault, or Citroen? A friend of mine had a Peugeot in the late 90s that just kept going.
 
it seems they've taken the lazy way out and used web services for this similar to zoom. this means lossless isn't an option.
with the amazing speakers and hardware in their premium audio option in their vehicles, this doesn't live up to what it could've been, and definitely doesn't take years to develop integration based on web service.
Seriously, in a moving car with external noise and road noise, why do people actually pretend they can tell the difference between good compression and lossless? You're really reaching for something to complain about.
 
They're actually behind in most aspects.

Range, charging, features, build quality, reliability, cabin and ride quality, etc.
Build quality and reliability, of course it's been documented over and over so I'll give it to you, but for the rest, any Tesla is an overall no-match for any other car maker.

If they were behind in "most aspects", they wouldn't be so desirable.
 
This is why lack of Carplay and Teslas in general are a Joke. Any other car can stream music and use the infotainment system linked to your phone. Telsa wants you to pay for what you already have in your hand right now and a cellular plan. They want you to use their own tablet with cellular to play in their "walled garden" (sounds familiar).

They are solving for something that's not a problem. Already have my phone, cellualr plan, and apps/app-subscriptions. Just need the car to interface with it. I do not need another tablet with another cellular plan and appstore which is basically what a Tesla infotainment system is.

Yes you can bluetooth and buy a mount for your phone that you hope its good enough not to get a ticket. Alternatively, just go with a car company that leverages what you already pay for and lets your use the apps you already have.

I plug my phone into my Hyundai and guess what right on the car screen I can use Amazon Music or my personal Plex library. Wow. I don't have to pay Hyundai? Amazing. Like I said Tesla talks a pretty big game considering they are 1000x worse than Apple in my book. Paying an insane amount of money for a car that forces you to pay monthly to use things sitting in your pocket already being paid for. There is zero technical reason for it. We have seen third parties implement it. They want the same money they call out Apple for taking.

Literally why other car manufactures bailed on custom infotainment systems and just added carplay/android auto. Customers don't want to buy what they already have.
Clearly you don’t own a Tesla. There’s no App Store, and you don’t have to pay a penny for maps, ever. You can also stream your current Apple Music app via BT to Tesla, complete with artwork. This latest update is just giving you a native app. It’s possible you can hotspot your phone to use it (like you can with every other app available) but that’s not clear as of yet.

Also, Tesla’s UI is light years ahead of CarPlay. The iPhone is built for Apple’s software in the same way the software in a Tesla is tailor made for it. That’s why pretty much every implementation of CarPlay is tacked on and not purpose built. We’ll see when the holistic approach to CarPlay actually hits vehicles with full integration. Until then, Tesla UI is miles better than CarPlay.
 
Build quality and reliability, of course it's been documented over and over so I'll give it to you, but for the rest, any Tesla is an overall no-match for any other car maker.

If they were behind in "most aspects", they wouldn't be so desirable.
Agreed. As the current owner of a 2018 Model X (100D) and a 2020 Model S (Performance), and previously a 2015 Model S P85D, Tesla makes impressive cars.

Build quality has certainly had issues for us, with mechanical window problems and fit/finish items on the X, for example. The gull wings are just silly (and more inconvenient than beneficial). Our previous 2015 P85D had a lot of issues (door handles, rattles), too.

But the newer models are a lot more solid. Notably, with 100,000+ miles driven with the three cars, we haven't been stranded once. No tows, no dispatched emergency vehicles. So, pretty reliable where it counts. And great in the snow.

The user interface is actually quite good people, certainly as compared with every other vehicle I have owned in my 55 years. Sure, I've never been that happy with the music playback UI, but it's gotten a little better over time and updates. For overall vehicle functionality and features, the interface is quite solid. I like it. I think the complainers on this forum probably aren't long time Tesla owners...

Driving a Tesla is unlike any vehicle I have owned. The near silent, effortless acceleration, nearly unlimited (excessive?) power... the drive train is so superior to any other vehicle, it would be hard to go back to ICE. Range is great, SuperChargers quite convenient.

Not a fanboy here, by any stretch. More of a soccer dad, although my kids don't really like sports. I used to like Elon a lot, now I despise him (his Fauci comments pushed me over the edge even more than Twitter). Oh, and my first Mac was a IISI (circa 1990) to bring it all back home. Looking forward to trying out Apple Music on our Teslas. We'll see.
 
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