I don't own an iPhone 4, but putting a case on it really doesn't seem like it should be the required and go to fix. I feel like if the Droid had this issue and its users were defending it by saying "Well just put a case on it", then we'd be ripping them apart.
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Apple Not Planning an iPhone 4 Recall
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I don't own an iPhone 4, but putting a case on it really doesn't seem like it should be the required and go to fix. I feel like if the Droid had this issue and its users were defending it by saying "Well just put a case on it", then we'd be ripping them apart.
Yeah, except i'm talking about apple's flagship iOS, you know, from this century. Not exactly an orphaned platform. And there is currently one model of device that runs it, therefore, a prudent person would expect that device to work properly. (and don't tell me to get a 3gs)
why do some people on here feel they are justified in telling people with defective iphone 4's to return it and get another phone? how about apple fixing their screwed up product so paying, loyal customers can be happy? and an apology would be nice too.
Today's flagship is tomorrow's orphan. See: Phonograph, 8-track, cassette, mini-disc.
Because it's not screwed up. Just different. You could think (hold) different, or buy the stuff that other people do.
You are correct, sir. It is not a required go-to fix. One could always just return the iPhone and buy an Android phone. I hear they're pretty cool, but I've never actually played with one.
We always have choices.
So far Apple has specifically said there is no problem. Maybe they will say different tomorrow, maybe they will not.
Sitting around waiting for someone to fix a problem they say doesn't exist, seems crazy to me though. So you have to understand when people tell those who can't get the phone to work for them to return it they are being sincere.
It is not like Apple said, "We know there is a problem and we are working on it." They said, "The iPhone 4 has the best reception of any iPhone to date. All phones can suffer from interference depending on how they are held."
That is a primary problem here, people are fundamentally in denial about what Apple has said up until this point.
So again, if they come out tomorrow and reiterate their position that this is not a problem and thus is not going to be "fixed" or "recalled" or "replaced" what will people do?
Just hold on to their phone waiting for Apple to fix it? Wouldn't Apple first have to agree that there is an issue to fix? So far as of right now that is not the case.
So when you say you are sticking around just wanting to see Apple fix the phone, you seem a little off kilter. Apple has never said there is a problem to fix. Yet you are waiting for them to fix it.
I get that they're invested in the app store, but Apple hasn't stopped offering the 3GS. Heck, I'd trade my 3GS for an iPhone 4 if someone wasnt happy with it and just throw a gelaskin or something on it, problem solved. Indecently, could they offer a backplate that extends around the sides like a case?
Dude, im not talking about tomorrow, im talking about today. stop changing the subject because you have no point. I don't expect sony to make me an 8-track player today, however if i lived in the 70's and purchased a defective one, i would expect it to have been replaced with a working one. seriously, what is your point?
It won't be called a "recall", but tomorrow Apple will announce Rev.A hardware and offer an extended exchange program so that any original Iphone4 can be traded for a Rev.A Iphone 4. Apple cannot not replace the defective originals.
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My problem is it's not like Apple originally advertised that this was an issue (obviously), this came to the table because of consumer complaints and 3rd party testing.
I can understand why people are mad. They bought a phone that can potentially drop calls because of the way they naturally hold it. Granted, some people don't have this issue, but this is probably to due to the fact that: 1) The location where they are testing it has a very strong signal, which can obviously change if they travel at all, and thus cannot produce the issue. 2) Have a certain skin type that doesn't cause the problem. 3) They naturally hold it in a way that doesn't produce the signal dropping. 4) Something else I'm missing here?
This isn't because of some special iPhone 4 they have. Instead, it's because the unique circumstances they are in don't allow for the problem to be an issue.
Sure, people can return it. I think people should speak with their wallet. That doesn't mean they can't be pissed about it. They bought a phone with certain expectations (that I think are pretty reasonable) and they weren't met. I'd be pissed if I bought a phone that had an issue that the company denied.
I guess all will be answered tomorrow, hopefully.
It is funny this new angle people are taking who refuse to return an item they say doesn't work. Now the only way they will return it is if Apple refunds them for all the Apps and Accessories they purchased, before even making sure the phone worked.
These kinds of comments make it very hard to have any bit of sympathy for some of you, because it is outlandish, unreasonable and to put it simply silly.
Nobody is responsible for you buying a bunch of apps and accessories for a new phone you have not used except you. Nobody else. I don't care if the phone was a brick with a string and tin can tied to it.
Take some personal responsibility in your life.
Of course it is, it drops 20 dBm with the touch of a finger in a place that phones are normally held. It squanders 99% of the available signal that could have easily been avoided by a simple clear coating. It was a design screw up of epic proportions and it's up to apple to make it right.
You want to pretend it's just 'different' go ahead but what excuse will you have if the rumors of changes is true? Again once theY fix new phones they are on the hook for the unfixed ones.
It certainly was not.
I can get signal with my i4 in places where no other cell phone (Nokia, 3G, Android MyTouch, 3GS et.al.) I've used does. I call that a greatly improved antenna. People who can't handle a nice high gain antenna properly are maybe just uneducated, stuck or handicapped.
IMO.
I don't mean that part. Did you seriously just tell me to think (hold my phone) differently? Wooooooowwwwww. I couldn't believe it when Steve Jobs said it, but that kind of made sense. To hear a consumer saying it is just ridiculous, do you own apple stock or something?
It starts out with an antenna that can connect given a much lower dBm signal, and thus can withstand a bigger dB attenuation before dropping a call. That's just an engineering trade-off. Good one, IMO.
Other phones are much bigger to hide the antenna in a worse location, where it isn't even close to as sensitive as the one on the i4, but less affected by hand capacitance.
I prefer small and thin and sensitive. If you prefer different (bulky and more suitable for mishandling), there are a lot of other cell phone vendors.
And a thin bit of paint barely begins to affect antenna attenuation, if that's your usage model.
You'd need a bigger phone to hide the antenna. And Apple sells two bigger phones, a 3GS, and an i4 with a bumper.
Choose instead of complaining.
Very reasonable, I don't really disagree with you much at all. Obviously, something is happening and people have a right to be pissed. But this is a level of hysteria that is unprecedented. Lawsuits? Media reports on the status of Rush Limbaugh's iPhone4? My god, you'd think the world turns on the fate of the damn iPhone!
and an even better one would have been to coat the stainless steel so you could get that AND allow it to be held normally. Design flaw, pure and simple.
and since you know the problem isn't mass attenuation it just shows once again your just blathering the same old obfuscations. The massive drop is by bridging the gap between the two antennas, not attenuation. That's why the problem can be caused by a mere fingertip and is vastly improved by something as thin as scotch tape.
Quite whining about people wanting Apple to stand by their work and man up to their mistakes and making lame excuses for same.
I agree about this thing getting blown out of proportion. Oh well...we can't do much about it. Once something gets rolling, especially if it relates to Apple, it seems impossible to stop. Unfortunately this seems to be what happens with a lot of Apple products, everybody is either in attack or defend mode.
This was not your argument earlier. You said
This is what I'm arguing against. Ataris and 8-tracks are historical examples of platforms that people were "locked down" to that are no longer manufactured. There is no obligation to continue manufacturing any one of these products. Apple could discontinue iOS TODAY and their obligation ends there.
Now you are changing the argument to "defective" products. It has not been established that the iPhone4 is defective. If tomorrow Apple announces a defect then I fully expect they will have a fix for it. If not, THEN you may have something.
I told you there would be NO recall!
There is no need for a complete recall. Get a bumper. Not hard.
Or just return the damn phone.
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Steve will announce tomorrow that the "death grip" was actually just a ingenious new feature that he forgot to mention. Problem Solved!
ONLY YOU told us that? Plenty of other people with half a brain have been predicting the same thing for weeks, genius.
Use the workaround or just return it? So the customers can not complain and demand fixes to severe defects? Every business out would love to have a sucker like you buying their stuff.