Apple Now Accepting Donations to Southern Poverty Law Center Following Charlottesville Protests

[thadoggfather]

Tim Cook needs to step down today!

He's too power hungry on the iThrone, so he won't be stepping down.

He'd have to get the boot from the board, and given Silicon Valley repeatedly keeps showing their true anti-American intentions, coupled with sky high profits for Apple, I wouldn't hold my breath for that anytime soon.

 

[NOV]

Obviously hate, racism and bigotry is not what we should condone.

I do however have a problem with people wanting to change history if it doesn't fit their views/agenda.

Why overnight is it necessary to remove many statues which have been untouched for umpteen years?

And, where does it stop? Already I have read that the carvings at Stone Mountain will not be erased.
(Looking forward for some extremist bombing shot at the rocks)

Not a proud part of the US history, but then the times were what they were then. Are people really that insecure that they can't get over things when bad stuff happened in history?

Who is actually benefitting from the removal of a statue?

Maybe an addition plaque on a monument as a disclaimer with some educational info would have sufficed?

Maybe some nitwits reading the info even get it?

I see this same craziness over here in the Netherlands. I came to the conclusion that the reason behind all these 'actions' is that some people earn a living from it. Especially now that so many folks have studied soft skills studies with ever lower expectations for some regular job, people turn to this 'business model' to build a career and earn income. These actions are completely destroying social cohesion but that seems to be the least of their worries.

 

[spiffers]

I'm sure the Nazis will thank you and give you a platform in return should they gain power.

Thats the answer of someone who does not grasp true freedom. True freedom comes at a price, the price of dealing with what we do not like. But if we give up freedom, we give up life.
Who are you to define what is left or right, right or wrong? In China, the Nobel Peace Price Winner Liu Xiaobo, was convicted for being a terrorist, even if he was only fighting for basic human rights. The government there can hold their citizens indefinitely in jail for no reason, other than they just don't like you. Do you want such a society? China is a socialist leftist country. If antifa got their will, USA would become socialist leftist country. You really want that?

 

[supercoolmanchu]

Tim Cook needs to step down today!

That's a bit far, Apple is doing very well. However he made a greveious PR error here that needs fixing.
And I think its fair to say that he has become distracted regarding the focus of Apple's public image.

Steve Jobs made mistakes too. Tim Cook should be allowed to fix his, but the clock is already running.

 

[NOV]

If I might give a suggestion to mr. Cook if he looks for another righteous support cause: the victims of islamic terror in Barcelona last week.

 

[Col4bin]

Oh great... If it wasn't bad enough that a couple of hundred clowns having a retarded get-together has caused practically the whole country to have a collective psychotic episode, they're now using this to push money in the pockets of probably the most dubious "civil rights" organization out there.

For those not familiar with the SPLC's more recent history, they've recently found that the KKK and other clear targets just aren't around as much (to nobody's surprise I might add) so they've instead chosen to go after people like Dave Rubin for criticizing the far left (calling him "alt right"), critics of the violent Islamists like Maajid Nawaz (wrongly claiming that he supports policies that punish Muslims in general) and even moderate muslim reformers like Ayaan Hirsi Ali (who they call an islamophobe).

I have a feeling this could very well be the final nail in the coffin of the supposed American way... Deny everyone freedoms like the freedom of speech because of a small fringe of morons and adopt policies that wouldn't look out of place in Nazi Germany in an effort to supposedly fight fascism and racism. It's truly mindboggling to watch the general public essentially push the idea that the government, currently run by Trump and the Republicans, should have the same kind powers of censorship as the Ministry of Truth had in Orwell's 1984.

The liberal media is highly influential...

 

[thadoggfather]

https://www.cnbc.com/2017/08/14/goo...lion-to-remain-default-search--bernstein.html

Let me remind you of the uncomfortable truth that Google is allegedly paying Apple $3B to remain the primary default search engine on iDevices

As much as we want to delineate Apple's philiosophy and different business model for being a hardware company rather than an advertising/big data company:

Apple = Google = Goolag = if its not our view, it has no place
(extended to conservative viewpoints and alt lite and Trumpers in time, just wait, masquerading for now as cracking down on white supremacist groups and hate groups, zero tolerance, and faux outrage over something that has been a problem for SOME time now).

Why arent they cracking down on Antifa, BLM, ISIS (lots of active twitter accounts still for some reason, but conservative viewpoint people get soft bans every couple days as an example) -- other hate groups?
Has anyone else observed this??

 

[justiny]

Apple is a private company and can dive into politics all they want. Just the same as a bakery who refuses service to anyone. I may not agree with their position, but that is their right.

I'm a little surprised at some of these comments. I would like to believe free-thinking individuals would be more free-thinking and not so narrow-minded. Honestly, who cares?

 

[SeattleMoose]

If America is truly still about democracy, freedom, and liberty, then BOTH the left and the right should be able to hold peaceful non-violent protests against ANYTHING...whether any one person or group likes it or not.

I no longer see that. One side is clearly favored today while the other is outright forbidden and/or suppressed.

There is no "forbidden" or "suppressed" speech/belief in a truly free society.

 

[itguy06]

As it looks to a non-American, atonement is required because inequalities born in that era still exist today. Pure egalitarianism is great! It’s a shame we can’t have that because previous mistakes need to be balanced out still.

Why does any atonement need to be required? Why should I pay for the sins of my forefather's fathers? Where does that stop? Sorry I don't buy any atonement for things that happened hundreds of years ago.

 

[thadoggfather]

Apple is a private company and can dive into politics all they want. Just the same as a bakery who refuses service to anyone. I may not agree with their position, but that is their right.

I'm a little surprised at some of these comments. I would like to believe free-thinking individuals would be more free-thinking and not so narrow-minded. Honestly, who cares?

I loathe this "who cares" apathy/indifference 'argument' that frequently comes up, and has before with privacy too "I have nothing to hide so what am I worried about with spying"

Simply because you don't care, is fine, you are who you are... But you can't make other people not care simply because you don't, or take offense to people that do, or be confused by it.

Of course its Apple's right to do whatever they want, corporate America has fewer rules to abide by Than the gov, if left unchecked, which so many people happily give a pass to cause they like their electronics, and appears to be the current situation in summation.

The difference is, Apple is rhetoric wise ALL about diversity and inclusivity, and for now they are silencing hate groups (a group few would argue with needing to be 'included' in this diversity tolerance) but only to pave the way for silencing conservatives, Trumpers, and anyone else who wasn't head over heels in love with Hillary's campaign and the underlying agenda.

Right now MSM is trying to convince the masses that anyone of the 63 million people who supported Trump is a flagrant racist now. Michael Moore extends that to all of his supporters are racists AND rapists.

When does THIS Trumper bigotry and hysteria towards your fellow Americans end? Has anyone ever observed THAT? Do you have any idea how offensive it is to 63m that we're all now paid Russian bots, when in reality, Cheetoh ran a better campaign period with less money and fewer staffers, and Americans largely haven't forgot that having the last name Clinton= you're going to get hosed in the long run, and at this point, even short run.

...Can someone actually walk down Manhattan or San Francisco with a #MAGA hat without fear of their life or well being?

Where's the tolerance, there? In some of the most liberal cities in the country? Where they preach tolerance and understanding and respecting differences?

 

[weup togo]

Oh, and:

Imagine the **** Apple would get if they used that today...

Or this one:



http://www.jewishpress.com/sections...-jews-and-the-edison-israel-stamp/2016/11/23/

 

[DVD9]

I am not a leftist, but I support the removal of statues celebrating the Confederacy. When it comes to statues of Lincoln, Jefferson, and Washington, they are not being celebrated for their white supremacy or their slaveholding. They are celebrated for the positive things they have done.

When "leftists" call for their removal, I will be standing in opposition.

You had better bring an assault rifle with you. Here is a video from Saturday August 19, 2017 in Houston, TX. Notice those with the assault rifles are communists wearing red t-shirts with the state of Texas on them and a Hammer & Sickle in the middle of the state outline. Right in the beginning of the video.

The Republican's last Presidential candidate before Trump, Mitt Romney blasted Trump after his Trump Tower press conference last week saying there is no moral equivalency between these factions, "Morally different universes".

 

[doelcm82]

Those people werent traitors. Many fought in other wars and distinguished themselves on behalf of the US.

Robert E Lee was in the US Army for over 30 years. Fought in the Spanish American war and was a hero for it.

He decided to defend his state from an oppressive centralized government that wanted to take away many of their rights to make choices for themselves. Yes, as bad as it was, slavery was one of those choices.

But individuals standing up for their rights to choosing and govern themselves is why we dont fly the British flag here in the USA. Do you call those who fought against the British traitors???? Because that is exactly what they were in the eyes of the British.



I also dont see blacks in this country trying to disavow their African roots. Which if they paid attention to who actually put their people into slavery many times, it was competing tribes of black Africans who sold them to others of many races. Slavery isnt isolated to white Americans. Dark skinned Egyptians enslaved the light skinned men from Israel. Yet the only thing people today can talk about is something that ended 160+ years ago here in this country as if that is the only occurrence of it ever.

Blacks who descended from slaves don't celebrate the people who enslaved them, even when the enslavers were also black. Can you point me to a statue glorifying the enslavement of blacks by other blacks?

I don't disavow my ancestors who fought on the side of the confederacy, but I also don't want statues made of them unless the statues are to celebrate something positive they did.

 

[weup togo]

Apple is a private company and can dive into politics all they want. Just the same as a bakery who refuses service to anyone. I may not agree with their position, but that is their right.

I'm a little surprised at some of these comments. I would like to believe free-thinking individuals would be more free-thinking and not so narrow-minded. Honestly, who cares?

I'm pretty comfortable as a supporter of a free market at getting angry with a company I've supported for 35 years for demonstrating with its public actions that it hates me and my beliefs.

 

[thadoggfather]

I'm pretty comfortable as a supporter of a free market at getting angry with a company I've supported for 35 years for demonstrating with its public actions that it hates me and my beliefs.

its becoming increasingly clear that if you are an Apple customer, and a Trump supporter, sure they'll take your money for now to pad those quarterly earnings, but you're perceived as a second class citizen compared to the rest of Americans who cry and wake up every day looking for reasons to be outraged and further radicalized and take zero responsibilities for their actions

 

[melendezest]

From what I've read, most of the Confederate monuments went up during Jim Crow and again during the Civil Rights era and their purpose wasn't so much to mark history or commemorate the Confederacy but to intimidate minorities to stay in a place of subjugation. Considering the placement of these monuments prominently in front of courthouses, public parks and plazas seems to support that argument. Living in the North, Confederate monuments weren't even on my radar but I never realized there were so many of them.

That being said, I do think that the categorization of people into hate groups has expanded beyond what is reasonable at times. Also, media coverage of all things political has become very suspect lately.

Why should we atone for something we didn't do, was 100+ years before us and generally is of no concern to us? The Civil War is over, and yes, slavery of all types of people was what you did back then. It's not been that way for over 100 years. None of us or our direct family owned another human being. Calling for reparations, promoting one race over another, violence, etc. is equally wrong, no matter who does it.

It would be far better for all sides to treat everyone as equals and the way you would like to be treated. Until that person proves they are not worthy of that respect.

What happened 100+ years ago is of no concern to you because you weren't the one run over by a vehicle driven by someone who ascribed to the rhetoric that was prevalent 100+ years ago, A FEW DAYS AGO. Because you are probably white and do not need to fear those who proudly exercise their first ammendment right of free speech by displaing the flag of those who chose to fight to keep people in chains 100+ years ago. Those 100+ year-old symbols have no relevance today, right?

No one's talking about reparations, etc.

We're talking about taking down the symbols and monuments erected and still standing today, legally, mind you, that divide us and keep this type of ideology alive.

Now you have no excuse. You cannot deflect this because "you didn't do it". We have an opportunity, now, today, together, to end this once and for all. To stand up as a country and denounce the Confederacy and what it stood for and condemn the symbols that represented it.

If you don't speak up against it, you're silence speaks for it.

 

[spiffers]

If you don't speak up against it, you're silence speaks for it.

Absolutely NO. This is total and utter bullcrap. It is fundamentally wrong to state that if you do not speak against it, your for it. ABSOLUTELY NO. One can be against slavery, and still for freedom of speech. One can be against slavery and against antifa, one can be against slavery and against BLM, BECAUSE ALL LIVES MATTER. And NO, nobody is guilty for their forfathers sins. Slavery is long gone, so stop the blame game.

 

[melendezest]

Congratulations, you share an ideology with the Nazis.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sippenhaft

Way to take things out of context. You should understand your sources better. So let me illustrate how this is incorrect (using your own link):

"Sippenhaft or Sippenhaftung (German: [ˈzɪpənˌhaft(ʊŋ)], kin liability[1]) is a German term referring to the idea that a family can share the responsibility for a crime or act committed by one of its members;[2] that is, it is a form of collective punishment because of family association."

No one is talking about punishment. We're talking about taking symbols of oppression, genocide, murder, kidnapping, and disenfranchisement down.

If my father was a famous serial kidnapper/murderer, I wouldn't walk around wearing a t-shirt with his picture on it, let alone in the town where he committed his crimes, or in the presence of the family of his victims.

I would be ASHAMED of it.

In the US, this is not the case. People in the US argue in favor of displaying such symbols, which is what ANYTHING representing the Confederacy is to ALL Non-White Americans. The children of those who used and put up these symbols are arguing against taking them down. So if you defend the symbol, you defend the ideology. As such, it's no longer a matter of "guilt by association."

If you defend this today, you are guilty today.

 

[0098386]

I'm pretty comfortable as a supporter of a free market at getting angry with a company I've supported for 35 years for demonstrating with its public actions that it hates me and my beliefs.

How does Apple hate you and your beliefs?

 

[pat500000]

no donation. Thanks for trying

 

[melendezest]

We should tear it all down to atone and then we can finally have Year Zero! Its long over due, right?

Not sure what you mean, but I'm addressing one issue at a time here...

Seems people are getting hung up on the term "atone". So to be clear, what I meant was to make things right. Make them better. Fix the problem.

I did not mean "pay people back", etc.

 

[0098386]

Way to take things out of context. You should understand your sources better. So let me illustrate how this is incorrect (using your own link):

"Sippenhaft or Sippenhaftung (German: [ˈzɪpənˌhaft(ʊŋ)], kin liability[1]) is a German term referring to the idea that a family can share the responsibility for a crime or act committed by one of its members;[2] that is, it is a form of collective punishment because of family association."

No one is talking about punishment. We're talking about taking symbols of oppression, genocide, murder, kidnapping, and disenfranchisement down.

If my father was a famous serial kidnapper/murderer, I wouldn't walk around wearing a t-shirt with his picture on it, let alone in the town where he committed his crimes, or in the presence of the family of his victims.

I would be ASHAMED of it.

In the US, this is not the case. People in the US argue in favor of displaying such symbols, which is what ANYTHING representing the Confederacy is to ALL Non-White Americans. The children of those who used and put up these symbols are arguing against taking them down. So if you defend the symbol, you defend the ideology. As such, it's no longer a matter of "guilt by association."

If you defend this today, you are guilty today.

Excellent response. There seems to be a fixation, or confusion perhaps, on financial reparations rather than, as you say, symbolic gestures and recognition and the like.

 

[Dj64Mk7]

which is to turn a profit for shareholders

Steve had some wise words to say about this.

 

[melendezest]

Absolutely NO. This is total and utter bullcrap. It is fundamentally wrong to state that if you do not speak against it, your for it. ABSOLUTELY NO. One can be against slavery, and still for freedom of speech. One can be against slavery and against antifa, one can be against slavery and against BLM, BECAUSE ALL LIVES MATTER. And NO, nobody is guilty for their forfathers sins. Slavery is long gone, so stop the blame game.

We're not talking about all subjects here. Many, like you, keep deflecting.

When it comes to white supremacy, and the spirit of those who wave the Confederate flag, your silence makes you guilty.

To not speak against it, particularly when directly asked (like our President did not), speaks volumes whether you like it or not.

Period.